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Well, it's already happening, the cheating infestation that has been running rampid through Xbox Live has started trickling down into our own little PC community. I figured I'd post this to get everyone's opinion to see if I'm just in feeling the way I do about the game that went down last night. It was old school Capture the Flag on Coagulation. The shameful starting weapon was the SMG with no secondary weapon and to top it off, flag runners couldn't drive vehicles. On Coag this generally presents an endless loop of players scrambling to find new weapons, in the process running into the enemy, and transforming a strategic game of CTF into a mindless blowout of Slayer. No this isn't what I found wrong with the game. THAT was just a result of poor planning seeing as how starting weapons for a map that size should at least be battle rifles or at least give random secondary weapons.

Anyway, I served as the team's flag guard. Now allow me to editorialize this position for a moment. First off, in CTF this is known as a defensive position (which I'm sure is a no-brainer for most of you) and is an actual CTF position, not just in the game, but in actual real-life CTF games. In my opinion, having a flag guard, at the very least, represents a sense of team work and dedication. In other words, it's no longer about your individual score, but the TEAM score. There are different ways to guard, and in my opinion, a powerful weapon is always a good way of taking the enemy assaulters by surprise. My choice of weapon? The Brute Shot. In a Coag base this offers a number of advantages. Not only are you able to quickly launcher a number of extremely lethal projectiles in a short period of time, but even when you run out, you still have a powerful bayonnette which can down enemies in usually 1-2 hits.

This proved to be a very effective tactic throughout the games all night, generally resulting in a victory for my team (the red team), because now it was easier for the rest of the team to assault the enemy base with little fear of our flag being taken and being forced into one of those stale-mate positions. In fact, it even got to a point where my team mates even started bringing me Brute Shots from across the map to save me the trip and to keep me in the base. Now that's what I call teamwork! And if any members of my team happen to be reading this, thank you for your support! That's the way CTF is supposed to be. Sometimes they'd even stick around to help battle out the more heavy assaults coming from the Blue Team. Wish I saw that kind of teamwork in every game.

Well, at some point during the night, the owner of the server (the ES Clan Server) showed up... and spawned on the Blue Team. It quickly became a game of cat and mouse. The assaults became increasingly dramatic. A major plus about the Brute Shot is that in a Coag base, it's easy to take out 3+ enemy infiltrators at a time. It wasn't long after that before a few new members of the Blue Team started calling me a camper and saying that I was cheating. I guess they prefer the idea of being able to simply dash into Red base and steal the flag without any opposition. Later, I started getting booted from their server, not just at random times, but right before a Blue assault. I also noticed at least two or three others from my team getting booted at the same time, thereby making the Blue's assault much less of a challenge for them.

Now I in know way support the concept of cheating, and am not much for campers either, and if it had been a game of Slayer, I would've had the advantage. But in CTF, guarding the flag does nothing to boost your points, rank, or give you medals. All it does is help out your team. So my question to you is who was right in this matter?

And also on a side note, you might want to avoid the ES Clan Server. I'd like to report them, but I don't know how to report a server.

  • 08.04.2007 8:25 AM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

That's weird. I didn't know you could boot people from a game, except when they TK you.

  • 08.04.2007 9:13 AM PDT
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People are going to be dicks online no matter what you do. There's no way around it, it's even worse when the host starts booting people to give his team the advantage, but there's really nothing you can do about but to find another server. It sucks monkey nuts but it's the internet, people know they can be jerkwads without ever having to worry about repercussions. Unless someone is seriously unbalanced and they try to track the guy down and mail a bomb to your house or something.

  • 08.04.2007 9:24 AM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Is the gameboy supposed to tick like that?

At least we have the official servers (formerly the HPC servers?).

  • 08.04.2007 9:26 AM PDT

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Yes we do. It is ashame when the server clan starts being asses to give their own team the advantage. D0D0 is the only one i remember right off hand. Saw him again in the servers today flaming other players instead just because they weren't playing the game to his advantage. I find that to be sad. I guess because Halo 2 has a much bigger audience than Halo PC?

  • 08.04.2007 11:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tyrant122312
Yes we do. It is ashame when the server clan starts being asses to give their own team the advantage. D0D0 is the only one i remember right off hand. Saw him again in the servers today flaming other players instead just because they weren't playing the game to his advantage. I find that to be sad. I guess because Halo 2 has a much bigger audience than Halo PC?


Yes, if the server is yours then you can type a command to boot anyone from the game. I used to run a server for Halo PC. It's pretty simple.

  • 08.04.2007 11:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Tyrant122312
And also on a side note, you might want to avoid the ES Clan Server. I'd like to report them, but I don't know how to report a server.

Never had signal to the ES Clan. But I definently think a bit of cheating is going on.

  • 08.04.2007 11:35 AM PDT
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Yah it really sucks that ppl play that way.This is an issue that does need to be talked about more and maybe seriously thought of when halo3 comes out.

  • 08.04.2007 11:48 AM PDT

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The Tyrant

Yes, exactly. It's a different type of cheating. And now that the idea of a game lobby is finally being introduced into the console variation (Halo 3), I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of this. Bungie gives us the power to easily boot because of people who exploit mods to cheat on Live. I myself am a modder, but only mod campaign and custom games. Never Live. And while I certainly appretiate the tools Bungie has provided for us, we need a way to report those who exploit those tools for not only their own advantage, but for their team/clan as well. I actually have my own site at www.earthcity.us. Most of the 180 members there are actually Halo PC veterans, but once I get enough support from the Halo 2 Vista community (via more Vista players joining Earth City), I plan to establish a private server for those who want to play the game fair.

  • 08.04.2007 12:12 PM PDT
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Well "if" I could get my "freezing" issue fixed, i'd like to join.

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i would love that server if i could get a ping under 200 from it.

  • 08.04.2007 2:46 PM PDT
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haha, what the hell is the point of playing if you aren't playing against anyone.. what a loozar.

  • 08.04.2007 2:50 PM PDT

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The Tyrant

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haha, what the hell is the point of playing if you aren't playing against anyone.. what a loozar.


You're not getting it. There's nothing wrong with facing a challenging player. It's about facing that player in a fair fight. I don't tollerate TKers, trash talkers, server hosts who throw people out of the game simply because they're using teamwork and effective tactics to beat the opposing team. I want to establish a server that's fair no matter which team you're on. I'd also like to setup an official server "thread" in the Earth City forums so that everyone can throw in their two cents as to what maps should be played with what weapons and so forth.

  • 08.04.2007 3:09 PM PDT
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I applaud you for taking a defensive position. As a quote from RVB "Its a legitimate strategy"
I absolutely hate CTF on coag simply because the vehicles dont spawn fast enough. You have to run too far just to die and with almost no way back even if you get the flag.

  • 08.04.2007 6:14 PM PDT
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I don't understand why camping is such a big deal in Halo; at least it's not as bad as it can get in Counter-Strike.

Just a minor quibble I have: I clicked on this thread expecting you to talk about cheaters on Halo 2 Vista, but instead it was about how others accused you of cheating and how asstastic people are over Live. You might want to change the topic title. But yeah, just learn to deal with the jerks. Especially over Live. Oh, and become familiar with the reputation and feedback system. It works.

  • 08.04.2007 7:28 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

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The Tyrant

Posted by: Target Sighted
I applaud you for taking a defensive position. As a quote from RVB "Its a legitimate strategy"
I absolutely hate CTF on coag simply because the vehicles dont spawn fast enough. You have to run too far just to die and with almost no way back even if you get the flag.


Thanks Target! And RVB is the best machinima series of all time! I agree that unless Coag CTF is setup properly, certain things can become quite tedious very quickly. For example, the SMG is not only for closed-quarter combat, but is also by far the weakest weapon in the game, even when dual-wielded. In Coag, if the starting weapon isn't at least a battle rifle or carbine, there should be a commendable secondary weapon. Even random secondary weapons work, as long as you're not stuck instantly having to upgrade.

As for the thread title, I guess I forgot to mention that I would like to use this thread as a way to PUBLICALLY list not only cheaters but cheaters that operate servers. Yes I know they can be reported to Microsoft and so-forth, but since much of the PC community either has access to these forums or probably has LIVE friends who do, I want to use this thread as a way to publically warn people of such threats in our valuable games.

To be fair to everybody, if you felt like you've been wronged in a server, take note of the cheaters, what they did, and what server you were playing in. PLEASE do not simply list people you think cheated or acted in an unsportly way without also including a detailed description of what they did. Hopefully this will help draw attention to those who seek to ruin our multiplayer experience. I hope this gets stickied.

  • 08.04.2007 8:11 PM PDT

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I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Times like these that I wish Halo 2 used online Matchmaking rather than freaking servers.

  • 08.05.2007 1:05 AM PDT
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i agree, because atleast you get fair teams that way. on vista the teams seam always realy unfair and high number of quiters makes it worse.

this is one of the reasons y its better on xbox. i posted this in another thead and PC fanboys jumped me, mabye im safe in hear

  • 08.05.2007 1:41 AM PDT
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I know this guy kiwidoggie he has his anti-cheat turned off for his server so i could use trainers even when i wasnt host :P.

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Yeah, I liked the Halo 1 dedicated servers where the host couldn't boot whoever he wanted (at least that's what you made H2 ded-servers sound like), or half asshats that delay the game RIGHT before it starts. They seriously need to eliminate a counter for dedicated server games. In Halo 1, they just started whether you liked it or not. That's how it should be.

As for the original OP, I need to play with more people like you. Consider yourself friend-list'd :P

EDIT: Oh, yeah I remember playing with D0D0, he's a total asshat. He was raping everyone with the banshee while their team had all the vehicles, power weapons, and Battle Rifle. We had nothing. But it was OH so satisfying when a red guy came to our base, and I killed him with a single SMG. He left me two rockets. And a moment later, two banshee were boosting and trying to assault our base. I shoot one rocket at one of the banshees, and it goes around and clips him... but misses. Fortunately, my 2nd (and last) rocket hit the other one. After that, total chaos out our base. After surviving some horrific battles, I went back atop our base, and I saw that I had two sticky grenades. So there's that a-hole, D0D0 with the Banshee just harassing everyone. He likes to fly in slowly and just -blam!- everyone. He Banshee came in slowly, and as he did a barrel roll to gain speed again, I stuck him PERFECTLY. I just looked up, saw him eject the Banshee's cockpit, and... BOOM!

Sorry for blabbering off back there, but you have NO idea how satisfying it was to humiliate a jerk like that. Especially considering it's impossible to AIM on my crap-ass Nvidia 6200 with fairly inconsistent framerates and "mouse lag" as you guys call it. Man, that felt sooooooooo good :]

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  • 08.05.2007 4:21 AM PDT

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*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Umm on H1 dedicated servers the host can boot whoever they want as well. Infact anyone with rcon can do it.

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I havent played H1 in a bit but are there really that many cheaters. Cause I used to play all the time and I never saw any major cheating.

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Posted by: Tyrant122312
As for the thread title, I guess I forgot to mention that I would like to use this thread as a way to PUBLICALLY list not only cheaters but cheaters that operate servers. Yes I know they can be reported to Microsoft and so-forth, but since much of the PC community either has access to these forums or probably has LIVE friends who do, I want to use this thread as a way to publically warn people of such threats in our valuable games.
I don't think that's going to work, dude. Plus, that's not cheating. Some asswipes booted you from the server because they thought you were cheating or they really didn't like to lose. That doesn't make it cheating, just really stupid and unsportsmanlike.

Posted by: Tyrant122312
To be fair to everybody, if you felt like you've been wronged in a server, take note of the cheaters, what they did, and what server you were playing in. PLEASE do not simply list people you think cheated or acted in an unsportly way without also including a detailed description of what they did. Hopefully this will help draw attention to those who seek to ruin our multiplayer experience. I hope this gets stickied.
I doubt that's going to happen, dude. :/

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i agree, because atleast you get fair teams that way. on vista the teams seam always realy unfair and high number of quiters makes it worse.

this is one of the reasons y its better on xbox. i posted this in another thead and PC fanboys jumped me, mabye im safe in hear
I'm a PC fanboy, but I think the Xbox version of Halo 2 is better than the PC version.

Posted by: daniel simmons
I havent played H1 in a bit but are there really that many cheaters. Cause I used to play all the time and I never saw any major cheating.
I find the amount of cheating in Halo PC to be exaggerated. Yeah, I've seen aimbotters before, but it's not like I meet them in every other game I join.

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  • 08.05.2007 4:06 PM PDT
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Oh, and stupid HaloMaps.org put up a Halo 2 Vista trainer for all to download. Way to go HM.

  • 08.05.2007 5:41 PM PDT