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Posted by: dodo
This game is such a piece of garbage! Why are people allowed to delay start of game, and why are people allowed to change teams in the first place?
That's Halo games on the PC for you.

Posted by: dodo
Halo is a noobfest, where people can get in vehicles and run eachother over all game, not a tactical shooter.
That's just some vague, boring gametype that serious players never consider wasting their time on, you need to play with MLG settings to get a taste of it.

Posted by: Scarlet Crusade
I'm sorry that you don't see Halo for the game it truly is. Halo is not like most shooters, it's slower and takes more strategy than just running and gunning.
So Counter-Strike doesn't? Because in CS, team work and tactics are crucial, but if you can't land a headshot at the same time, you're screwed.

Yeah, tactics are important, but if anything, Halo is running and gunning. More so than Counter-Strike because Halo doesn't force you to compensate for physics, such as recoil.

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  • 08.07.2007 5:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
Halo is running and gunning. More so than Counter-Strike because Halo doesn't force you to compensate for physics, such as recoil.


That's still no excuse for not playing by the rules. If you want running and gunning, go play Slayer. If you want run & gun CTF, go play Unreal Tournament, a game that's meant to be quick, fast, in-a-hurry. But if you want to play a real game of Halo CTF, play it out like the real thing. In actual Capture the Flag, does everyone simple run out with paintball guns and blast the crap out of each other? No. Are there flag guards in real CTF? Yes. Are there scouts? Absolutely.

If you want chaos, go play with the other 10 year olds.

  • 08.07.2007 5:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tyrant122312
Posted by: Master Kim
Halo is running and gunning. More so than Counter-Strike because Halo doesn't force you to compensate for physics, such as recoil.


That's still no excuse for not playing by the rules.
What rules?

Posted by: Tyrant122312
If you want running and gunning, go play Slayer. If you want run & gun CTF, go play Unreal Tournament, a game that's meant to be quick, fast, in-a-hurry. But if you want to play a real game of Halo CTF, play it out like the real thing. In actual Capture the Flag, does everyone simple run out with paintball guns and blast the crap out of each other? No. Are there flag guards in real CTF? Yes. Are there scouts? Absolutely.
This is a videogame. CTF in Halo is different from CTF in paint ball.
Posted by: Tyrant122312
If you want chaos, go play with the other 10 year olds.
Counter-Strike or Unreal Tournament isn't chaos, thank you. Perhaps extremely fast-paced to the point that it makes Halo look like Snailo, but it's not like team work and tactics aren't involved in them.

  • 08.07.2007 5:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: Tyrant122312
Posted by: Master Kim
Halo is running and gunning. More so than Counter-Strike because Halo doesn't force you to compensate for physics, such as recoil.


That's still no excuse for not playing by the rules.
What rules?

Posted by: Tyrant122312
If you want running and gunning, go play Slayer. If you want run & gun CTF, go play Unreal Tournament, a game that's meant to be quick, fast, in-a-hurry. But if you want to play a real game of Halo CTF, play it out like the real thing. In actual Capture the Flag, does everyone simple run out with paintball guns and blast the crap out of each other? No. Are there flag guards in real CTF? Yes. Are there scouts? Absolutely.
This is a videogame. CTF in Halo is different from CTF in paint ball.
Posted by: Tyrant122312
If you want chaos, go play with the other 10 year olds.
Counter-Strike or Unreal Tournament isn't chaos, thank you. Perhaps extremely fast-paced to the point that it makes Halo look like Snailo, but it's not like team work and tactics aren't involved in them.


Ugh! Allow me to elaborate. For those of us who want to play CTF (tactical--not run and gun), let us play CTF. You're right. Halo isn't real CTF. It's cheaper and cleaner :-)

Flag guarding and camping are two different things and presented in two different game types. Flag guarding in CTF doesn't give the individual any advantage at all what-so-ever, or boost in rank, unlike in Slayer. It helps out the team. And after all, isn't that the purpose of a team-based game?

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Posted by: Master Kim
So Counter-Strike doesn't? Because in CS, team work and tactics are crucial, but if you can't land a headshot at the same time, you're screwed.

Yeah, tactics are important, but if anything, Halo is running and gunning. More so than Counter-Strike because Halo doesn't force you to compensate for physics, such as recoil.


Running and gunning doesn't always remove the aiming skill or strategy from a game. Take... Counter-Strike.
Like any hitbox game, unless you have the AWP (note, a one-hit kill weapon from any range [except for the legs] with pinpoint accuracy and a not too-shabby rate of fire) you're basically putting randomly-generated shots downrange every time. It doesn't matter if you slow down time and can aim like a god, the fact is you're limited by a random generator that gives you a headshot, or a clean miss. when it comes to sneaking around in the game when you're playing with animal-like players with crazy reflexes, one missed shot could get you killed. And even when you aim perfectly. You can be on the giving and receiving end of the hitbox shaft.
It makes you mindful of your stance, your movement speed, you weapon choices, how quickly you shoot etc. But some of it is so unrealistic and restricting that a lot of the weapons are made useless. For instance,the M4 and the M249 have massively heavier recoil then their real life counterparts, the AK is as good as an M4 (???) and no matter what you pick, your weapon can be outclassed by the AWP. You trade one set of tactics for the other.
This is why I play Halo more, I prefer to use positioning and flanking like Counter-Strike, while using an aiming system that is purely your skill: not a random hitbox.

  • 08.07.2007 11:47 AM PDT

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  • 08.07.2007 11:47 AM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Kind of like Shadowrun, which is nothing more than Counter Strike, with magic.

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My main issue is people who join CTF games (or any other team-oriented game) and treat it like a Slayer game, or a FFA contest to see who is the 'best' and can get the flag while running solo. It's frustrating when you'd like to use legitimate tactics but you've got no one to back you up. =/

  • 08.07.2007 1:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scarlet Crusade
My main issue is people who join CTF games (or any other team-oriented game) and treat it like a Slayer game, or a FFA contest to see who is the 'best' and can get the flag while running solo. It's frustrating when you'd like to use legitimate tactics but you've got no one to back you up. =/


exactly, i always end up scoring by myself and by luck

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Posted by: Ryanman7
Running and gunning doesn't always remove the aiming skill or strategy from a game. Take... Counter-Strike.
Like any hitbox game, unless you have the AWP (note, a one-hit kill weapon from any range [except for the legs] with pinpoint accuracy and a not too-shabby rate of fire) you're basically putting randomly-generated shots downrange every time. It doesn't matter if you slow down time and can aim like a god, the fact is you're limited by a random generator that gives you a headshot, or a clean miss. when it comes to sneaking around in the game when you're playing with animal-like players with crazy reflexes, one missed shot could get you killed. And even when you aim perfectly. You can be on the giving and receiving end of the hitbox shaft.
It makes you mindful of your stance, your movement speed, you weapon choices, how quickly you shoot etc. But some of it is so unrealistic and restricting that a lot of the weapons are made useless. For instance,the M4 and the M249 have massively heavier recoil then their real life counterparts, the AK is as good as an M4 (???) and no matter what you pick, your weapon can be outclassed by the AWP. You trade one set of tactics for the other.
This is why I play Halo more, I prefer to use positioning and flanking like Counter-Strike, while using an aiming system that is purely your skill: not a random hitbox.
I'm talking about Counter-Strike, not Counter-Strike: Source. :P

Randomly generated shots? Please. And I never said Counter-Strike was realistic (nor that it's a bad thing). It's not a "random hitbox" if you learn how to compensate for the physics. Shot placement is consistent within the crosshair if you fire single shots while walking. Now, I'm not saying that spray-and-praying won't reward you sometimes, but you're better off firing accurate bursts. It's far from a clean shot or a large miss; there's plenty of skill involved in aiming, especially if you're not standing still or crouching for better accuracy.

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Posted by: Scarlet Crusade
My main issue is people who join CTF games (or any other team-oriented game) and treat it like a Slayer game, or a FFA contest to see who is the 'best' and can get the flag while running solo. It's frustrating when you'd like to use legitimate tactics but you've got no one to back you up. =/


Actually one of the best tactics in CTF is to have your whole team pretty much play a game of slayer while you alone sneak in and get the flag, steal a hog and book it. I won so many CTF games by hiding behind rocks waiting for my teammates to occupy the other teams attention so I could make a mad dash for the flag. Sure you don't get the most kills, but it doesn't matter since you're still in first.

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Posted by: Scarlet Crusade
My main issue is people who join CTF games (or any other team-oriented game) and treat it like a Slayer game, or a FFA contest to see who is the 'best' and can get the flag while running solo. It's frustrating when you'd like to use legitimate tactics but you've got no one to back you up. =/


Actually one of the best tactics in CTF is to have your whole team pretty much play a game of slayer while you alone sneak in and get the flag, steal a hog and book it. I won so many CTF games by hiding behind rocks waiting for my teammates to occupy the other teams attention so I could make a mad dash for the flag. Sure you don't get the most kills, but it doesn't matter since you're still in first.

This is true, as I've done this before. I just would like to see more team strategy and support in team-oriented games, that is all. If you have an 8v8 match and no one has specialized positions, it's kinda just a luck factor if your team will be able to capture the flag, or the other team for that matter. When you're the only one on your team interested in capturing the flag, you get hardly any if any at all in the way of covering fire, and it requires stealth action by the flag bearer, which is more soloist rather than team strategy.

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The only real way to get that whole team strategy thing, is to join a clan that plays a lot, and whose members own microphones. It's extremely hard to communicate important info via team chat. Usually by the time you get even a short message sent the information is no longer relevant. Remember people: Microphones save virtual lives! Anyways, I'm gone 4 a ride.

  • 08.07.2007 5:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
The only real way to get that whole team strategy thing, is to join a clan that plays a lot, and whose members own microphones. It's extremely hard to communicate important info via team chat. Usually by the time you get even a short message sent the information is no longer relevant. Remember people: Microphones save virtual lives! Anyways, I'm gone 4 a ride.


I use the typing feature to communicate. As for the strategy of th rest of your team playing slayer to distract the other... well I'd be lying if I said I'd never used that one before. But believe me, it was not my teams intention to do so. I just used their infighting to my advantage. Everyone was so busy shooting rockets at each other that I was actually able to sneak back across the map without a vehicle and score twice. I'm sure, however, that there was a bit of luck involved.

Still it's better to play when you have a strategy and have different people doing different things. To me, there are three different primary CTF positions out there. The first is flag runner, which is the one most people tend to automatically assume. The second is scout, which used the sniper rifle, but doesn't use it to snipe the enemy at their own base just so that they can respawn just a few feet away. I mean seriously, what's the freakin' point??? It has to be by far the most obused position out there. The third one is flag guard. This person(s) stays at the base and spends the entire game protecting his own team's flag. This is a true game of CTF.

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Posted by: Master Kim
I'm talking about Counter-Strike, not Counter-Strike: Source. :P

Randomly generated shots? Please. And I never said Counter-Strike was realistic (nor that it's a bad thing). It's not a "random hitbox" if you learn how to compensate for the physics. Shot placement is consistent within the crosshair if you fire single shots while walking. Now, I'm not saying that spray-and-praying won't reward you sometimes, but you're better off firing accurate bursts. It's far from a clean shot or a large miss; there's plenty of skill involved in aiming, especially if you're not standing still or crouching for better accuracy.


I still believe there's a lot of skill in Counter-Strike (and although I don't own it I heard 1.6 was superior to source, gameplay wise. And yes, the shots are relatively consistent in the hitbox. But you can't honestly say that hitboxing is a PURE form of aiming that depends only on skill. When you're strafing into a hall and you hit an arm instead of the chest, despite your aiming being pixel-perfect and he happens to get a shot through the corner of the wall into your chest... it's not fun like that. Of course you're going to get an equal time on both sides of the stick but it's not the same.

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Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: Master Kim
I'm talking about Counter-Strike, not Counter-Strike: Source. :P

Randomly generated shots? Please. And I never said Counter-Strike was realistic (nor that it's a bad thing). It's not a "random hitbox" if you learn how to compensate for the physics. Shot placement is consistent within the crosshair if you fire single shots while walking. Now, I'm not saying that spray-and-praying won't reward you sometimes, but you're better off firing accurate bursts. It's far from a clean shot or a large miss; there's plenty of skill involved in aiming, especially if you're not standing still or crouching for better accuracy.


I still believe there's a lot of skill in Counter-Strike (and although I don't own it I heard 1.6 was superior to source, gameplay wise. And yes, the shots are relatively consistent in the hitbox. But you can't honestly say that hitboxing is a PURE form of aiming that depends only on skill. When you're strafing into a hall and you hit an arm instead of the chest, despite your aiming being pixel-perfect and he happens to get a shot through the corner of the wall into your chest... it's not fun like that. Of course you're going to get an equal time on both sides of the stick but it's not the same.
Hahaha, I didn't even know you really were talking about CS:S, that was just a joke when I said "I'm talking about Counter-Strike, not Counter-Strike: Source." In that case, Halo probably does take more skill to aim than CS:S. :P

  • 08.07.2007 7:07 PM PDT

Tyrant122312,

Well I guess I should chime in on this subject, given that I am a ES Clan Member and I am the operator of the server you speak of. (AKA the "cheater")
So let me try to make this simple for you.

#1 The CTF Classic variant is an official locked variant. You can tell this by the lock symbol beside the variant. Therefore, it was designed by Bungie and approved by Bungie. You know those guys who made the game and run this site. Thats all I'll say on that matter. It's pretty simple to me.

#2 You were not baned from the server. Right? You say this yourself, so i guess not. So, if one did want to cheat and had the ability to kick on command. (meaning console access) Then why not just ban you. Then they wouldn't have to deal with you at all. I'll tell you why. Because you were not cheating by garding the flag. You were simply being a n00b who would not face a single person on the field. It had nothing to do with teamwork you just couldn't kill anyone any other way. But, thats beside the point. The point is you were kicked (1 time) because you started a whole debate on the servers text chat interface to talk about the fact that you were camping the flag. This debate was with DODO who was told to shut up about it and play the game. Which he did. You however, did not. (Even after repeated requests to stop spaming the server with text) Furthermore, your other kicks were by your own players for TKing them in your base. This is what happens in a small base when you use nothing but Brute Shots and Rocket Launchers. You kill your own team mates more times than I could count. Particularly when we were atacking. You shot everything that moved, blues, reds pretty much anything that entered your base. So, your own team kicked you, several times as I recall. The other players that were booted were not booted at all. Several people from both teams started leaving because the game was at 3 hours+. This was mainly do to the fact that no one could even get to blue base (we DID NOT have a camper on our flag) and you were holding the red base in your own n00b way.

#3 Finaly, I would like to personaly invite any bungie official reading this to come play on our server.(ES Clan Server) In order to inspect it for any form of cheating. Also anyone else reading this I invite you to try our server and see for yourself. If you happen to see myself (Sypher117) or Kenshin1283 while you are there. Feal free to ask to be tested in order to join our clan. We are always looking for a few good Spartans.


Thank You,

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Posted by: Sypher117
#3 Finaly, I would like to personaly invite any bungie official reading this to come play on our server.(ES Clan Server) In order to inspect it for any form of cheating. Also anyone else reading this I invite you to try our server and see for yourself.
Except Bungie really doesn't mind; don't worry, dude, they don't care.

  • 08.08.2007 4:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sypher117
Tyrant122312,

Well I guess I should chime in on this subject, given that I am a ES Clan Member and I am the operator of the server you speak of. (AKA the "cheater")
So let me try to make this simple for you.

#1 The CTF Classic variant is an official locked variant. You can tell this by the lock symbol beside the variant. Therefore, it was designed by Bungie and approved by Bungie. You know those guys who made the game and run this site. Thats all I'll say on that matter. It's pretty simple to me.

#2 You were not baned from the server. Right? You say this yourself, so i guess not. So, if one did want to cheat and had the ability to kick on command. (meaning console access) Then why not just ban you. Then they wouldn't have to deal with you at all. I'll tell you why. Because you were not cheating by garding the flag. You were simply being a n00b who would not face a single person on the field. It had nothing to do with teamwork you just couldn't kill anyone any other way. But, thats beside the point. The point is you were kicked (1 time) because you started a whole debate on the servers text chat interface to talk about the fact that you were camping the flag. This debate was with DODO who was told to shut up about it and play the game. Which he did. You however, did not. (Even after repeated requests to stop spaming the server with text) Furthermore, your other kicks were by your own players for TKing them in your base. This is what happens in a small base when you use nothing but Brute Shots and Rocket Launchers. You kill your own team mates more times than I could count. Particularly when we were atacking. You shot everything that moved, blues, reds pretty much anything that entered your base. So, your own team kicked you, several times as I recall. The other players that were booted were not booted at all. Several people from both teams started leaving because the game was at 3 hours+. This was mainly do to the fact that no one could even get to blue base (we DID NOT have a camper on our flag) and you were holding the red base in your own n00b way.

#3 Finaly, I would like to personaly invite any bungie official reading this to come play on our server.(ES Clan Server) In order to inspect it for any form of cheating. Also anyone else reading this I invite you to try our server and see for yourself. If you happen to see myself (Sypher117) or Kenshin1283 while you are there. Feal free to ask to be tested in order to join our clan. We are always looking for a few good Spartans.


Thank You,

-=(ES)ﮒýקhεr™=-


First off, I wasn't being kicked by members of my own team. I was being booted sporatically before our base came under attack from your team. Second, flag guarding is a legit position in CTF as stated HERE. Chosing to not have someone guard your flag was your own decision, and if that's how your team plays, then fine. But kicking people from the server simply because they are presenting a challeng to you? Well that's wrong. It may be your server, but be prepared to get flamed. Again, there's a defined difference between flag guarding and camping, where as flag guarding gives the individual no strategic advantage at all. No additional kills. No additional scores. It's the least sought position on the field which is exactly why I assume it. CTF is a TEAM game and should be played as such. I've been flag guarding since Halo PC came out back in late 2003, and your server has been the first and only time where it has been an issue. And lastly, please don't use my thread to try and recruit people into your clan. Bungie has set their own forums for that specific purpose.

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And so begins the great flame war # 163,536, where only the most verbose will prevail. It's actually no fun when your not directly involved...

Oh well, have fun boys.

  • 08.08.2007 5:39 AM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
And so begins the great flame war # 163,536, where only the most verbose will prevail. It's actually no fun when your not directly involved...

Oh well, have fun boys.
...you know, it's fun to... you know, stay out here and... well.... watch them enjoy the frying and uh... well... Bah, -blam!- this. I'm in.

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Is there any Sears near your home?

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  • 08.08.2007 5:41 AM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

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Aw man, Double-Post!

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  • 08.08.2007 6:11 AM PDT

Well um, where to start, ok first to TUI_Obi_Wan,
Don't worry bro there's nothing I like less than flamers. I simply felt the need to defend DODO, myself, and my clan. That was just my first post and this will likely be my last.

Tyrant,
We can sit here and debate how you were kicked till the blood runs from our fingers from the endless pounding on the keyboard. But, whats the point. Let everyone else make up there minds. What do the readers think? My simple argument is why wast time kicking you over and over when any admin can tell you, I can ban you for any amount of time. Anywhere from 1 second to 1 year to permanently. Simply put , you were not baned you were kicked by your own team. If I wanted to get rid of you for any tactical advantage then I would just ban you for 15 min and be done with it.

Furthermore, your link to the "proof" that flag camping is a "legit strategy" is simply one beta testers opinion. O.P.I.N.I.O.N. You can tell this by the names above each one. The fact is flag camping is not against the rules, as I stated in my first post, you WERE NOTcheating. You were simply being your noob self. As for teamwork being the reason for this. HA, I know the reason, you could not kill anyone on the field. One of the few times you left your base to try to attack, DODO owned you in the face. Hum, mb thats why you called him the cheater. Angry mb? You did have an advantage by staying in the base. You were not killed over and over. Which made you look less nooby.

Finaly, as for not using your thread for recruiting, well you started it. Thats right, ever sence you put up this thread the server has been even more popular.
You know what they say. Any publicity is good publicity. People are adding us to there friends lists and joining our Teamspeak Server just to talk. So I guess to be fair I should, um, well..... Thank You?


Thanks Again,

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Well, at least Sypher made it easy by admitting himself that he doesn't know how to play CTF nor what tactics are. LOL. This so called ES clan wouldn't last 5 minutes in a CTF game with us, or any other serious CTF clan that knows and practices tactics.

  • 08.08.2007 10:20 AM PDT