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Mundus Vult Decipi. Know it. Use it. Love it. False truth, the anti-sanity.

The guy who started this topic has a very valid point. Bungie could have addressed issues like this early on. They also could have set up their own servers (in conjunction with Microsoft) so that every time you go into matchmaking and the "host" quits, everyone wouldn't have to wait while someone else is setup as the host.
Unfortunately, the the fact remains that Bungie simply doesn't care. If they did, they would make "punishments" for team killing and for quitting..especially during ranked matches.

If the true purpose of "matchmaking" is to place people of equal skill together for a "balanced" game, then why is it that the matches are so often unbalanced either because someone quits or because of the childish antics that I'm sure every Halo2 player has a gripe about?

Answer? Laziness. And greed.

Microsoft and Bungie could have developed servers devoted to hosting games so that users don't have to deal with blue screens from hosts quitting. This would have also solved the standby problem that ran rampant a couple years ago. Why didn't they? Because it's cheaper to have YOU, the gamer, host the match. All the while you and everyone else online is paying for a service that merely sets someone else in the game up as the host.

Bungie has even said they don't care about team killing and quitters. Just a fact of life in their book.

Maybe if more people like Metalian stood up and pitched a b!tch then somebody over at Bungie would listen.

Doubtful, but its a nice thought. Or more like a dream.
Much like the dream gamers have of playing a game that
isn't plagued by immature little aholes who have
nothing better to do than rob others of what would
otherwise be a great gaming experience.

Metalian: keep it up, man. More people need to sound
off on the bull-blam!- that Bungie pulls and expects
gamers to deal with and pay out of pocket for.

  • 08.04.2007 11:28 PM PDT
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First of all, Rizza is a complete dumb-blam!-! He knows nothing of which he is talking! Please give me someone with some intelligence! I have had it with dumb-blam!-s!!! Do you really want to reply on my thread!!!???? if you want to act like a complete idiot -do it -in a closed game!!!

  • 08.05.2007 12:34 AM PDT
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Rock on BROMWYN send ann invite, I'll roll with ya any day over these -blam!-s!!!

  • 08.05.2007 12:39 AM PDT
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All I want is fair gaming and not a bunch of folks -blam!-!ng it up for everyone else!!!!!

  • 08.05.2007 12:41 AM PDT
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Dude, I think your point is spot on... I hate having people messing up my fun by acting like tools while I'm trying to play some online Halo 2. If they want to screw around, they should do it where no one but themselves are going to be affected, ie. custom match.

However, I don't think you're going about presenting your opinion in the right way. Insulting people who's opinions differ from your own will get you nowhere: people will take no notice of your point, and see only the insults.

Feel free to insult me too, but if agreeing with you is the only remedy for being "stoopid" or a "DEE DA DEE", then I guess I'm immune.

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  • 08.05.2007 1:27 AM PDT
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This is someone we should be flaming...
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Posted by: METALIAN
I think my socks are pink on porpse if u dont wear pink socks ur -blam!- and so on and so forth. i h8 u all im the best damn halo2 player out there and would own u all if u wanna verse me my gamertag is same as my -blam!-, hahaha! noobs!!!!!

OMG just shutup!

I noticed you did exactly the same thing with The Rizza's post... oh the hilarity.

Seriously man, stop fueling the fire and leave.

  • 08.05.2007 2:22 AM PDT

I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

Posted by: Bromwyn
The guy who started this topic has a very valid point. Bungie could have addressed issues like this early on. They also could have set up their own servers (in conjunction with Microsoft) so that every time you go into matchmaking and the "host" quits, everyone wouldn't have to wait while someone else is setup as the host.


Seriously if you can't handle the waiting in bluescreen sir then you are extremely impatient

Posted by: Bromwyn
Unfortunately, the the fact remains that Bungie simply doesn't care. If they did, they would make "punishments" for team killing and for quitting..especially during ranked matches.


There is a punishment for team killing. It's known as a betrayal penalty and the high likelihood that you will get booted. There is also in halo 3 going to be a punishment for quitting.

Posted by: Bromwyn
If the true purpose of "matchmaking" is to place people of equal skill together for a "balanced" game, then why is it that the matches are so often unbalanced either because someone quits or because of the childish antics that I'm sure every Halo2 player has a gripe about?


What do you expect them to do? Individually monitor each and every player and their behaviour ingame searching for every instance of quitting or immature behaviour? Considering the amount of hours most of these people clock in this would require a full sweatshop conditions labour force of several thousand working 24-7 for about a year. The only people who should be responsible for keeping their idiocy in check is themselves.

Posted by: Bromwyn
Microsoft and Bungie could have developed servers devoted to hosting games so that users don't have to deal with blue screens from hosts quitting. This would have also solved the standby problem that ran rampant a couple years ago. Why didn't they? Because it's cheaper to have YOU, the gamer, host the match. All the while you and everyone else online is paying for a service that merely sets someone else in the game up as the host.


It is cheaper to have us as hosts yes....I'm sorry is there something wrong with that? Is it corporate evil trying to take over the world and enslave it's population? Bluescreen is a minor but completely bearable annoyance.

And as for standbying well perhaps Bungie didn't realise that when they create a huge and varied online service to match or best any other at the time that rather than play it the first thing people would do is find ways to cheat. They should have delayed the game for another 6 months and individually have probed out every instance of manipulating or hacking possible and dealt with them all. They merely trusted players to not take advantage of the game and cheat just to feel better about their skill.

Posted by: Bromwyn
Bungie has even said they don't care about team killing and quitters. Just a fact of life in their book.


You mean they said theres not a lot they can do about it?

Posted by: METALIAN
I've had it with them to the point of quitting H2 altogether!


I love it when people say this. The way they word it is so funny. They always make it sound like a career choice, as if they are leaving a great and well paid job to spend more time with the kids. You don't quit Halo 2 it is in fact just a game. You either play it or you don't if you don't play it you haven't "quit".







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  • 08.05.2007 3:40 AM PDT

I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

How is it a big decision sir?

  • 08.05.2007 3:45 AM PDT
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ur good at clearing everything up Xiahou Dun...

this topic is still just a waste of time though, all its doing is going around and around n the person that started it just flames whoever posts in here n then follows him/her to whereever he/she posts next n contiues to flame them n ruin other topics...

  • 08.05.2007 3:46 AM PDT

I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

I'll admit I've only seen him flaming in this thread sir.

It's early morning and this is the first thread I came on when I woke up and jumped on the PC.

  • 08.05.2007 3:48 AM PDT
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just look for my big topic on(that just gotunlocked so plz no bumping in it anyone) "does anyone still play for fun" its still on the 1st page of topics i think n look at the times of when i was is he's topic n then i posted in mine as an example....

  • 08.05.2007 3:53 AM PDT

Never eat yellow snow, unless of course, you spilled your Mt. Dew!

Once again if you travel through matchmaking as a party the chances are less. If you at least go in a group of 3 chances are the 4th will not be stoooooopid. Idiots always travel in pairs.

  • 08.05.2007 6:26 AM PDT
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dude i want to go against u wit some friends and get to like-50 just to piss u off

  • 08.05.2007 6:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Bremic
I just can't stand people who play only for their levels and treat Halo 2 like a freakin RPG.

So true.I quit RuneScape because of that.

This guy may have a point; There ARE idiots who betray for fun or for a weapon, there are people who get the bomb then just stand there. But, he's no smarter or better since he calls everyone dumb, yet he calls them dumb if they disagree. I'd rather have a 6 year old on my team then some guy why calls anyone who disagrees dumb. I doubt you even know what dumb means. Now, I'll get flamed for disagreeing like the other 5 people, proves he is the 'stoopid' person. In a forum people have the right to disagree and agree, so stop flaming everyone who disagrees.

  • 08.05.2007 8:34 AM PDT

Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get... but you can bet it will be chocolate.

Xiahou Dun has made the most logic in this room so far. I forget who is was that posted that long post about how bungie is greedy and all that stuff. They never said that matchmaking was going to be balanced. They said they would make it as balanced as they can. Level doesn't show skill, but it's the only thing that they have to compare John Doe in Boston to Billy Parker in Philadelphia. Thats the only They can't monitor every person to watch for skill, im sorry but its not going to happen. You have to accept they fact that most games you go into wont be fair. In any game you play there is your competitive crowd, your cheating crowd, and the crowd who doesnt really give a -blam!-. It's like that pretty much everywhere. You can't blame bungie for that, just play your best and go in as a party of 4. If you get cheated, oh well. Deal with it, your not the only one.

  • 08.05.2007 8:57 AM PDT

Mundus Vult Decipi. Know it. Use it. Love it. False truth, the anti-sanity.

Are blue screens bearable? Yes. Are they also unnecessary? Yes. Will I quit playing because of them? Of course not. I love Halo and nearly everything about it, which is why I endure the bullpucky. Because the overall gaming experience is second to none. But I know I'm not the only one who feels that Bungie and Microsoft should have devoted servers for game hosting. But if they're going to stick with having users host, how about an added penalty if you quit AND you're the host? And speaking of penalties, yes, you get a betrayal penalty for team killing and then can be booted. But I was in a game of CTF on Midship where I was about to score the flag at the end of the game and my teammate killed me at our base at the last second and we ended up tying. Why? Because of immaturity.The boot option didn't help here and the betrayal penalty only hurts the team, not the player. Its like a team gets doubly screwed because there's a jackoff who gets matched with them. Bungie COULD impose harsher penalties to users who teamkill or quit. They just choose not to. They could, for example, bust a person down a rank or two for quitting during a ranked match. Maybe less people would do it then. Maybe not, but at least it would be doing SOMETHING instead of nothing. That would also help those of us who get stuck with deranking teammates. If they joined and quit three games and went down six ranks, they'd be down more quickly and screw over far less people in the long run. Or how about blacklisting people who quit during ranked matches? Ban them from playlists that are ranked for a period of time for quitting during a game. Or if you get booted from a game for betraying, then how about a further penalty like a day or two ban from Live? We've all betrayed people accidentally, but there are people who do it habitually. They get their jollies from it. And the average gamer shouldn't have to endure their immaturity.

And to all those who say people take the game too seriously: then why have a ranking system at all? If it can be affected so easily and so often by immature players or people who quit, obviously its not performing like it should. So why keep it? Sure, I get on all the time just to play without caring too much about whether I win or lose. But everyone likes winning, and when you don't win simply because of an idiot, then it takes away from the fun.

I don't get on Live and play Halo to get my rank up or because the game is my life. Sure, there are people who are like that and honestly, that's fine. Everyone has those things in life that they love. Do I love playing? Yeah. I love it. Playing Halo is the most fun I've had with a video game since the glory days of Quake. But do I think the system in place for players could be fine tuned? Of course.

But I'll keep playing because there are people who keep it a worthwhile experience. But here's one last question that's been bugging me for years now.

How come Bungie never developed bots? They obviously already have AI in place to do something like this since there's campaign mode. If they allowed bots in custom games, people could not only fine tune skills, but also team kill all they want without p!ss!ng off everyone they're playing with. So maybe then those same people would get it out of their system and only come to ranked matches for a real game. Just a thought.

  • 08.05.2007 9:16 AM PDT
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We all know where your coming from but seriously you have to take the good with the bad.

  • 08.05.2007 10:23 AM PDT

Take me 1v1 and ill pooooop on you

Metalian if you beat me 1v1 ill help you up

Gamertag: IIMoNsTeRII v2 good luck random

  • 08.05.2007 10:36 AM PDT
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I just don't see why you can't go into matchmaking with a group. If you did it would be problem solved.

  • 08.05.2007 10:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: binklet
I just don't see why you can't go into matchmaking with a group. If you did it would be problem solved.


exactly. stop b^tch^ng about losing ranks n having someone that betrays on the team when the answer obviously lies in ur hands. GET A FULL TEAM N PLAY RANKED OR MM or just play rumble pit or a custom if u cant find a whole team(it shouldnt b that hard to find a full team whatever time ur on if ur that good n that nice n friendly to every1 as u said(cough))

that way the 1 person that goes in to stuff around will end up on the other team n not urs. Gee that sounds so hard to do doesnt it?

after all, isn't the purpose of the teamed playlist(ranked n unranked) 4 u n ur "team" to get better?

i know i rarely go in to MM by myself or without a full team n i rarely get any of this team killin/betrayin because of this. but i always hear the other team b^tch^ng about a team killer thats on there team or some1 thats just standing there n not playin. i always tell them the same thing that i've posted here n there like "owww, i guess that would work hey" i guess i've fixed the problem. n the best thing is everyone can follow that simple rule n it wont happen to them.

And as for the team killers, if everyone does what i stated they will all b teamed up with each other from now on n not you's so u wont need to b^tch about them anymore

  • 08.05.2007 4:40 PM PDT