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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

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]Have you been banned Achronos?

Posted by: Malpractice DrJ
Bungie has repeatedly stated that button glitches are cheating. Are they a skill? Of course since they must be learned and practiced. Nevertheless, Bungie has repeatedly stated that button glitches are cheating.

thats nice, but they have done nothing to deter button glitching. take this example: What is the point of having a speed limit if the cops do not enforce the law? in the same way, what is the point of bungie calling something cheating if they do not follow through and punnish the cheaters?

  • 08.05.2007 11:29 PM PDT


thats nice, but they have done nothing to deter button glitching. take this example: What is the point of having a speed limit if the cops do not enforce the law? in the same way, what is the point of bungie calling something cheating if they do not follow through and punnish the cheaters?


That's absolutely true! Bungie pointed out the same idea when they said that button glitches are cheating (a link was posted on one of the other of the myriad threads concerning button glitches). Since we are the players that report cheating, we ultimately decide whether or not it occurs.

  • 08.05.2007 11:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

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]Have you been banned Achronos?

Posted by: Malpractice DrJ

thats nice, but they have done nothing to deter button glitching. take this example: What is the point of having a speed limit if the cops do not enforce the law? in the same way, what is the point of bungie calling something cheating if they do not follow through and punnish the cheaters?


That's absolutely true! Bungie pointed out the same idea when they said that button glitches are cheating (a link was posted on one of the other of the myriad threads concerning button glitches). Since we are the players that report cheating, we ultimately decide whether or not it occurs.

and seeing as even the bxr doesnt occur that often, and the fact that once you get above a certain level pretty much everyone does button glitches, the stupid flawed feedback system would take forever before someone gets even warned.

lets put it this way, low levels play low levels, and high levels play high levels. pretty much low levels always complain about the button combos that they hardly ever see the high level players use. but in reality, the low levels send feedback to low levels, not high levels. and the high levels play the other button comboing high levels. the simple reality is that someone who uses button combos effectively all the time will play other people who accept that as fair game, and not whine about it, so they will never get banned.

  • 08.05.2007 11:49 PM PDT
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Yup, Bungie said it.

Also, I admit RRX takes mad skill to master, but it doesn't make it fair. Modding takes skill, really, it can be hard. I know how to RRX, and I'm good at it, but I don't use it in matchmaking.

Ask yourself: Is an Automatic Battle Rifle fair?

  • 08.05.2007 11:56 PM PDT

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and seeing as even the bxr doesnt occur that often, and the fact that once you get above a certain level pretty much everyone does button glitches, the stupid flawed feedback system would take forever before someone gets even warned.

lets put it this way, low levels play low levels, and high levels play high levels. pretty much low levels always complain about the button combos that they hardly ever see the high level players use. but in reality, the low levels send feedback to low levels, not high levels. and the high levels play the other button comboing high levels. the simple reality is that someone who uses button combos effectively all the time will play other people who accept that as fair game, and not whine about it, so they will never get banned.


Hmmm, well since I'm a lower level I don't really know enough to debate for or against that, although it sounds logical. I've certainly only seen the button glitches a few times in my games. I used to watch an intermediate level friend play, and I don't remember ever seeing button glitches, although it's possible that i merely didn't know what to look for at the time.

  • 08.05.2007 11:58 PM PDT

Posted by: HaloFighter92
Yup, Bungie said it.

Also, I admit RRX takes mad skill to master, but it doesn't make it fair. Modding takes skill, really, it can be hard. I know how to RRX, and I'm good at it, but I don't use it in matchmaking.

Ask yourself: Is an Automatic Battle Rifle fair?


I see what you're saying. However, I'm not sure that I'd be against button glitches due to their being unfair, although I guess that discussion would depend mostly on semantics. The main reason I don't use them is that Bungie said that they were cheating.

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  • 08.06.2007 12:06 AM PDT
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Bungie has to say button combos are cheating! why? Because they conflict with the xbox live terms. If they didn't conflict with the terms what would bungie say :P. Button combos ARE a banable offense. But people rarely leave feedback. Double shot is the only button combo that takes any skill because its so hard to aim, unless you claw. I doubt it would be hard to log button presses. The hard part would be going through them. Low levels give feedback to low levels eh? I doubt you know what your saying. Have you heard of custom games? You see the simple reality of it is, low levels play high levels all the time. Also BXR happens all the time, have you ever played team hardcore? I doubt it.


Plus You guys might think "whats the big deal? everyone can double shot". No not every one can. I know a guy who's very good at halo but he can't double shot.

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  • 08.06.2007 12:18 AM PDT
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I know how to BXR, I've only been able to pull off a double shot once (got killed for it), And I've tried bouncing.

I learn these things just like I've learned how to noob combo someone for one simple reason. If the other team is stinking it up with that pile, then I want to have ways to counter them. If they noob, then I just hide the PP. If they bounce, then I make sure I br the poo out of them before they land. If they BXR, I keep my distance, and if they double or quad shot, then I take cover and just start chucking nades.

P.S. If someone is using noob combo and you get them with it, walk up to them and say, "You just got n00bed!"

  • 08.06.2007 12:23 AM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

Double shooting is a glitch, exploiting glitches is cheating, I am NOT bad at Halo, threads about these things are nearly always locked.

  • 08.06.2007 12:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Rohirin
I know how to BXR, I've only been able to pull off a double shot once (got killed for it), And I've tried bouncing.

I learn these things just like I've learned how to noob combo someone for one simple reason. If the other team is stinking it up with that pile, then I want to have ways to counter them. If they noob, then I just hide the PP. If they bounce, then I make sure I br the poo out of them before they land. If they BXR, I keep my distance, and if they double or quad shot, then I take cover and just start chucking nades.

P.S. If someone is using noob combo and you get them with it, walk up to them and say, "You just got n00bed!"


Yeah, I like goofing around with those things in private games or system link with my friends.

  • 08.06.2007 12:34 AM PDT
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ya its cheating

  • 08.06.2007 1:01 AM PDT
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Only noobs cry about double shooting

  • 08.06.2007 1:24 AM PDT
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Anyone can do it if they practice it. So I dont think its cheating at all.
Cheating would be spawning in the air falling just to get sniped,
Then going to the post-game screen seeing that one guy shot 9999 bullets.

  • 08.06.2007 1:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: D3NNIS600
OMG, are you serious, it takes absoultely no skill to do at all, it's the ultimate noob thing in Halo 2


Sooo........it's "noobier" than looking at someone with a sword and pressing "R" for automatic kill? It's easier than charging a plasma pistol and having it home right onto someone followed by a BR shot the head?

Come on. Notice how the only people who can do it right are actually um.......good. You'll never see a guest come into the game and start RRX'ing off the bat. To say it takes no skill is incorrect.

These debates go on and on and on but I keep replying to them LOL. I must be insane ;-)

Anyway yeah, it's cheating because of what's outlined in the Terms of Use. You won't get banned for it.

That's about it.

Oh, and before someone comes in and says the reason they can't get past 25 is because they keep getting double shotted, note that double shots rarely occur in match making. I've literally been double shotted 3 times in Match making, all in Team Hardcore at the somewhat decent rank of 27.

Yeah it's a bit cheap but it's a skill. If I'm going to play at such a rank, I have to expect that people may try these glitches on me, because that's what some do at higher levels (and 27 isn't that high.)

  • 08.06.2007 1:34 AM PDT
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No matter what you consider, the simple fact is that it IS cheating in matchmaking, and isn't outside matchmaking, unless it specifically contravenes the rules of the tournament or host you are playing in.

  • 08.06.2007 1:44 AM PDT
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They can't prove you did it on purpose.

I used to double shot all the time before anyone knew what it was. I too didnt know what it was either, I just got really mad because I would press the R button so fast and try to reload right after just in case I got into a fire fight, that my BR would freeze for a couple of seconds then automaticall reload.

  • 08.06.2007 1:49 AM PDT

it doesnt matter if it takes skill or not its still cheating, someone said earlier 99.9% of people that cant button glitch are noobs or something like that, well i am a decent player and i try to avoid using button glitches or the noob combo at all costs, i dont find them fun. whenever i get close enough to someone almost everytime they will try to use a button combo on me, i know how to button combo good but once i went into a custom bxr match and because of american host (i have a high latency to american hosts) my beatdowns dont count as hits and whenever we went together at the exact same time he won, i was not doing it wrong i went into and english host game and it was fine. if no one button comboed the match would have turned out differently.

also double shot,
1st have you ever heard of BR host? they can hit you from alot further distances and alot more accurately, when i BR on american host i aim at someone and my shots dont hit, they are not anywhere near where my screen says they are, its not my connection but the latency between host and me.
2nd, have you ever heard of programable controllers? not alot of peple can get then and they do RRXYYRRX consistantly without any skill required, just keep aiming at opponents head, its impossible to detect if someone is using one of these controllers and they are cheating without skill,

on a final note, these pros you know, the ones that use button glitches at any moment they can use them or whenever theyre in trouble. they say they would be good or even better if they didnt use them, so why dont they just not use them if theyre that good? probably because if they didnt use them everyone else would use them against them and they would start loosing. some people that use button glitches are bad, and some people are bad because they dont button glitch.

in halo 3 in close quarter battles poeple will find it hard to kill the other person because they cant glitch against them, i try not to glitch and get alot of practice with it like beating people down jumping back and shooting thme in the head, or actually trying to use skill sticking the player, those skills will help in halo 3 so im practicing with them

yes there will be glitches in halo 3 but i hope they arnt exploitable

  • 08.06.2007 3:03 AM PDT
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you all whine to much just because some people get double shot doesnt mean you have to go out and cry about it. its not a common thing in matchmaking. 90% of the time probably more its another person shootin at you from off screen.

i hear the other team sreaming standbyers or bridger when it isnt occuring just that in my case i get australian host i guess it is a bit unfair doesnt make it cheating.

(PP/BR) noob combo for example it anoys me to the point where i swear its a fair way to get a kill just that peple cry because they died before they had a chance to counter.

all of the above get called cheating at one point but at the end of the day its somethiong you cant help. So why do you have to complin abot RRX, BXR, BXB. you never hear about XYBR (Rocket Cancel) being a problem either thats a button glitch.

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  • 08.06.2007 3:25 AM PDT
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its not cheating and n e one can do it if you practice it its like BxRing its not cheating every one does it

  • 08.06.2007 3:35 AM PDT
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Here is my whole little reason why I dont think that it is cheating. People always complain about using this as an advantage but look at it. Everyone tha tcomplains uses glitches also. Do you use YY or bx after a reload? Thats glitching. I know about everyone uses BxB also because without it in a br fight you will die if you dont .

  • 08.06.2007 3:37 AM PDT

Posted by: rS X Mouse
its not cheating and n e one can do it if you practice it its like BxRing its not cheating every one does it

Anyone can mod their xbox. Does that mean it's not cheating?

There are rules against glitching in matchmaking, so when you use a glitch you're cheating the ones that do follow the rules.

  • 08.06.2007 4:13 AM PDT
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It is cheating, just like quad-shooting, BXR, and BXB.

  • 08.06.2007 4:50 AM PDT

Lofty

you aren't going to get banned for using double shooting, bxr, and bxb. but they weren't intended to be part of the game. I believe Bungie addresses them as button glitches, not cheats. although i am often annoyed when someone uses these buttong glitches, i don't report them for cheating. It's less than 50 days until the glitches will be gone when we are playing Halo 3.

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  • 08.06.2007 6:20 AM PDT

Lofty

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Posted by: rS X Mouse
its not cheating and n e one can do it if you practice it its like BxRing its not cheating every one does it

Anyone can mod their xbox. Does that mean it's not cheating?

There are rules against glitching in matchmaking, so when you use a glitch you're cheating the ones that do follow the rules.


Although I don't like glitching in matchmaking, I do not believe it is cheating.
This is my oppinion on the difference between cheating and glitching.

Cheating - Using your connection or modding programs to your advantage. (Standby, Modding)
Glitching - Things that are in the game the can be exploited, which Bungie did not intend to be in the game, but are fair to use because they are technically part of the game. (Super-Jumping, BXR, BXB, Double Shot)

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  • 08.06.2007 6:28 AM PDT

Trying hard or hardly trying?

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I have a question. Is it possible to take the glitches out of halo 2 or is it not possible because its embedded in the software itself?

  • 08.06.2007 6:47 AM PDT

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