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Subject: Is "double shooting" cheating?
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Well I personally think that the double shot, and quad shot are not cheating. Although I hate that people use it, it is so much better then what people used to do before I got off the game. I had to get off halo 2 in the early part of 2006 b/c of the navy. I just got back on here in May and must say that I like the style of game that is played more now. I remember some really whacked out cheats. ie: the ghost man or whatever, where someone would get in the passenger seat of the worthog and hit a buttong glitch and exit the vehicle yet there ghost was still in the warthog, then the driver would drop their ghost body by the flag and the person would grab it move and the flag would magically appear in their hands all the way across the map. Well that one really sucked but our way of countering it would be to put people on lookout for a warthog without a passenger and usually no gunner and try to blow it up before it made it to the flag. So in part I hate when people double shot me but I do enjoy countering it with some nades or a little hiding the beat downs and going over their dead body and say "keep practicing". I do find the art in it when I start shooting a guy from behind and he whips around and quad shots me and I am dead. Man that really gets me steamed but I see the importance of it. As for the so called noob combo we all hate it but we all use it. I love to hit someone with it and when (i won't talk blam b/c I used it but I will use it to the fullest). I hate the idiots that use the sword and try and talk blam b/c they killed someone or got a double kill on midship.

  • 08.06.2007 6:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: IIDWells55XII
Posted by: D3NNIS600
OMG, are you serious, it takes absoultely no skill to do at all, it's the ultimate noob thing in Halo 2

You've clearly never landed a successful doubleshot in your life. I've been playing this game since launch day and am a pretty decent player and I still have trouble being able to doubleshot consistently. There's a reason why the people who are the best at this game are also very good at doubleshotting; it's a skill to be mastered just like other elements of the game.

I don't consider any button glitches in this game to be cheating. Hate to be harsh, but 99.9% of the people who are against button glitching and consider it as a form of cheating are bad at this game.


So true. They are like 14's and such low ranks. I double shot, bxb, bxr. I do it because in matchmaking peiple standby me, so in matchmaking I will BXR, Double shot, bxb whenever I am down in a battle.

  • 08.06.2007 6:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nope. I can't be banned - I wrote the code for the site.

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]Have you been banned Achronos?

Posted by: fiagra
1) Bungie has to say button combos are cheating! why? Because they conflict with the xbox live terms. If they didn't conflict with the terms what would bungie say :P. 2) Button combos ARE a banable offense. But people rarely leave feedback. Double shot is the only button combo that takes any skill because its so hard to aim, unless you claw. I doubt it would be hard to log button presses. The hard part would be going through them.3) Low levels give feedback to low levels eh? I doubt you know what your saying. Have you heard of custom games? You see the simple reality of it is, low levels play high levels all the time. Also BXR happens all the time, have you ever played team hardcore? I doubt it.


4) Plus You guys might think "whats the big deal? everyone can double shot". No not every one can. I know a guy who's very good at halo but he can't double shot.

1) of course they say it is cheating. But tell me, what is to stop me from using them? bugie doesnt ban button glitchers. if anything they might suspend them for a week or something if they get a hella a lot of bad feedback..

2) could be. it could be a bannable offense. but the simple matter is that there have been prolly like 5 people on xbl that got banned for using them. 5 people in all of the gamertags on xbl. i like those odds.

3) I was talking about matchmaking. and what are you smoking because the last time i checked custom games were not ranked. so there is no low and high levels in custom games because no one has any rank.

and no, you are wrong. in matchmaking, which is what we are talking about, not customs, low levels do not play high levels all the time, if at all. ive never seen a 40+ go up against someone under a 20. it does not happen. the same rules that apply for the rest of mm applies to team hardcore. button glitching is almost nonexistant at the lower levels, might happen infrequently at the middle and the higher levels use it all the time. and of course i play team hardcore. and pretty much the button glitching doesnt really start until a rank up.

4) no, i have never thought that. to do any of the button combos takes practice. so the only people that can do them are those who have taken the time to practice them.

furthermore, why does any of you care about if the high levels use button combos? the only reason that they use them is because everyone at thier level uses them, and if they dont, they will be at a severe disadvantage. plus if you dont like them and refuse to use them. do understand that they are here to stay and none of your incessant whining will make them go away. if anything at least learn to counter them if you dont want to use them. you will never play the high level uber1337 players unless it is in a custom game. so unless you play them, dont complain about thier glitches that they use that you never see.

my final advice will be to tell you how to counter the bxr. bxr requires a melee and then a headshot, so if you croutch melee as he tries to bxr and move out of the way and start shooting him, he will be dead and his bxr will have failed.

  • 08.06.2007 7:15 AM PDT
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Help!!! how do i play halo 2 online with other people..... every time i am ready to play on my 360, it ends up sayin......You can only play with friends and clan members etc..........help@!@@!!!

  • 08.06.2007 7:18 AM PDT

Posted by: Anthony2K6
I have a question. Is it possible to take the glitches out of halo 2 or is it not possible because its embedded in the software itself?

Bungie did say somewhere that it is possible to take them out with a patch but they were worried that it may screw up more things than it fixed.
So they never tried.

[Edited on 08.06.2007 7:23 AM PDT]

  • 08.06.2007 7:18 AM PDT
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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: dodgy bullseye1
on a final note, these pros you know, the ones that use button glitches at any moment they can use them or whenever theyre in trouble. they say they would be good or even better if they didnt use them, so why dont they just not use them if theyre that good? probably because if they didnt use them everyone else would use them against them and they would start loosing. some people that use button glitches are bad, and some people are bad because they dont button glitch.


That's not entirely true dude, but at least you used the word "probably" but the Pros would still be good if they didn't button glitch.

It's actually the contrary, the best button glitcher (Toxic Euphoria) can't make pro bracket in FFA or 4v4 and he can double shot better than pretty much anyone.

Glitches don't make you good. They can potentially make you a better player in terms of shooting, but overall what's more important? Getting a double shot off one person, or getting a three-man setup and team BR'ing the other team?

If you watch VoD you'll see the pros rarely use a double shot, it's just too risky to try it in the heat of a battle, even if they can do them well. These days it's all about team shooting at that high a level.

Still though, I respect your opinions.

  • 08.06.2007 7:53 AM PDT
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Ask yourself these. Was it intended in the game? Is it a glitch?
If your good and double shoot anyways then fine. If you need to double shoot then you must suck.
Stop making these threads. All you guys want it just to get a hot topic otherwise youd be smart enough to use the search bar.
Dont take up forum space.

[Edited on 08.06.2007 10:50 AM PDT]

  • 08.06.2007 10:48 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

Posted by: King Halo 777
I personally think it is cheating to manipulate the game to get an unfair advantage. I notice "pros" use it claiming they own everyone. The truth is, if they really need to have something to help them kill someone with an unfair advantage, then they are not using skill, they are using something that bungie did not intend.


ITR is cheating I AM TIRED TOO OF "PROS"( cough I meant wannabes of pros) thinking they are skilled cheting itis matter of fact cheating in macthmaking is cheating (you can cheat all you want in mlg)

I dont care if you ( by you i mean any cheater) are pro you are lkyng to yourself if you think for glicthing you are more skilled your glicthes wont save you in halo3

  • 08.06.2007 10:55 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: dodgy bullseye1
on a final note, these pros you know, the ones that use button glitches at any moment they can use them or whenever theyre in trouble. they say they would be good or even better if they didnt use them, so why dont they just not use them if theyre that good? probably because if they didnt use them everyone else would use them against them and they would start loosing. some people that use button glitches are bad, and some people are bad because they dont button glitch.


That's not entirely true dude, but at least you used the word "probably" but the Pros would still be good if they didn't button glitch.

It's actually the contrary, the best button glitcher (Toxic Euphoria) can't make pro bracket in FFA or 4v4 and he can double shot better than pretty much anyone.

Glitches don't make you good. They can potentially make you a better player in terms of shooting, but overall what's more important? Getting a double shot off one person, or getting a three-man setup and team BR'ing the other team?

If you watch VoD you'll see the pros rarely use a double shot, it's just too risky to try it in the heat of a battle, even if they can do them well. These days it's all about team shooting at that high a level.

Still though, I respect your opinions.



Iceman I think you are a nice guy but. I like pros but I hate people that glicth in matchmaking

I am a hardcore(not pro ) player and I dont nned glicthes but I ave seen a lot of vidfeos f rpos and they bxr all the time and rrx

¡did you know bxr can beat the sword?
I tdont think pros are the "best" they are amont the best tought I know a lot of people thtat are waay good but are not pros

  • 08.06.2007 10:59 AM PDT
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No, pros are the best. No random guy who can beat you on your host can even stand a chance against MLG pros on any settings, with or without button glitches if he himself does not regularly play with them.

  • 08.06.2007 11:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Porter_Daniels
Yes, i think it is cheating because it is. And how does it take skill to hit RRX?

why dont you try doing it when you are playing in mm

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Posted by: Porter_Daniels
Posted by: Punk RockBeezyx
I rly dont see how it can be called cheating because everyone can do it. its not limited to a few select people. but people say its cheating because it gives a advantage.

so does that mean heres a example on zanibar iam runnin with the flag and i make the jump in that little hole in the sea wall by camp froman. most people cant do it but i can so does that mean iam cheating becuase that is advantage. which will allow me to reach the flag score spot way fster than others.

so you ppl tell me




No, you wouldn't be cheating because you are not exploiting a glitch in the game.

Plus, it doesn't matter if WE consider it cheating or not. Bungie says it is cheating. End of story.



not really if it was cheating bungie would boot ppl who Double shot

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  • 08.06.2007 11:41 AM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

The only reason Bungie considers button glitches to be cheating is because of this clause in the Xbox Live Terms of Use:
Posted by: Xbox Live ToU
(vii) exploiting any bug, or making unauthorized modifications to any software or data, in the Service or particular game to gain unfair advantage in a game

Let's look up the definition of unfair in a dictionary, shall we?
unfair - "marked by injustice, partiality, or deception"
The relevant word here is partiality. Let's look up its description:
partiality - "the quality or state of being inclined to favor one party more than the other"

Do button combos favor one person more than another? Nope, anyone can button combo. Therefore, button combos aren't favoring one particular party because it's something that can be done by anyone holding a controller. So according to the dictionary here, it's not an "unfair advantage." DIsagree with me if you like, but the only reason button combos were ever labeled as cheating is because of the XBL ToU which is very vague in its wording as I just pointed out.

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  • 08.06.2007 11:47 AM PDT

believe it or not their are players who prefer to play by the rules. if you feel you have to button glitch then you cannot have been a good player in the first place or you just thought to yourself if you cant beat em join em

  • 08.06.2007 1:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: reptile1892
Posted by: OMGtehHoly
no its not its a glich but it takes skill to do
Exploiting a glitch=cheating. Whether you think so or not.



"2. Anytime you see someone cheating, you should leave feedback on them, but it is up to you whether to do so. You define whether an action is cheating - you can define the above actions as normal, or be hardcore and define all of them as cheating. Since you're the one reporting the cheater, you get to be the ultimate arbiter of if cheating is occuring."

That's a quote from Achronos, simply stating that Bungie says its cheating, but WHAT I THINK, is just as important.

The people actually playing the game, decide whether its cheating or not, not Bungie.

So if I glitch in a game, and no one had a problem with it, and I get NO feedback, I did not cheat, because no one in that game felt I cheated. AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

  • 08.06.2007 1:40 PM PDT
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I've stated my opinion very thoroughly on another thread of a very similar topic. I'll summarize my points.
No, button glitching is not cheating.

Most people's arguments are:

They weren't intended to be put in the game.
Not everyone can do them.
They create an unfair advantage (falls back on the previous argument).

My arguments:

No, you're right, they weren't intended to be put in the game. But they're still in the game, and every person that has a copy of Halo 2 for XBOX can button glitch. They're there. There is no manipulation of code, no hacking, nothing against the XBOX Live code of conduct. It's an exploitation, all the same as super-bouncing, that so many people hate because it's not always used in regular gameplay.

No, everyone CAN do it. If you "can't" do it, send me a damned friend request and I'll teach you. If you persist in saying that not everyone can do it, go home child. I just offered to teach you, and your copy of Halo 2 has the same glitch in the code as mine does. Yes you can, so either send me a friend request or SHUT THE F*** UP (blast your censors, Bungie).

It doesn't create an unfair advantage, just an advantage. Again, the same as superbouncing. It's knowledge and a different skill that some players have learned. If you can't do it, learn it. If you learned it, but choose not to, again, SHUT THE F*** UP (again, blast you Bungie). You can do it, so it's not an unfair advantage.
Here's some examples of an unfair advantage:
Oddball, Warlock, your team gets host. You walk into the corner by the portal with the oddball. You die by ANYTHING, and the ball falls under the map so only HOST can pick it up. Luck of the draw, cheating; unfair advantage.
You get host. Your team is losing, so you press that big button on your router/modem that says, "STANDBY". You're manipulating the bandwidth properties, creating lag and an unfair advantage.
You download some mods and install them on your XBOX. You fly across Terminal with the bomb before the other team can even get their weapons, and you arm it without them realising it. Unfair advantage.
Not everyone can standby/mod/pull off host reliant glitches. Therefore they are unfair advantages.

I've stated it several times; I'll say it again. If you're going to whine about people using a double-shot here and there, but you're too self-righteous to learn it yourself, go home child. Go. Home.

  • 08.06.2007 1:41 PM PDT

SB-117

It is officially cheating (along with exploiting any other glitches to gain an advantage).

Use at your own disgretion in your own custom games but it's cheating to use them in Matchmaking.

I'm afraid these sorts of topics are supposed to be locked as it's a brickwall discussion. It IS 100% cheating in Matchmaking, but if you're going to use them in custom games (to make it more entertaining) then that's up to you (and your opponents).

Bungie's Policy = Doubleshooting is cheating. Therefore it is cheating.

  • 08.06.2007 1:44 PM PDT

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