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Posted by: militaryguns
Im not on them in the first place, I hate how everyone seems to worship them, they're just nerds with no lives. Hell, they can be beat.


Nerds with no lives....wow yea you are totally right, ever single person that has ever gone pro has no live whatsoever and is just a big nerd.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and you sir are a dumbass.

  • 08.08.2007 3:57 PM PDT
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Militaryguns, I kinda see what you're getting at but I think you're reasoning is flawed (no disrespect intended.)

Team Hardcore takes both teamwork and skill. You can have a team of not so good players who have good teamwork and put them up against a team of very talented players who lack teamwork. The team who uses team work will win that battle, but not because it didn't take skill.

Team Hardcore takes the most skill out of any of the playlists, in my opinion. You could actually argue Snipers take more skill, but personally I think it's more about havinga knowledge of the sniping maps. Anywho, Hardcore is about communication and teamwork, as you said. But skill plays a major role in it. If you depend too much on your team mates, you may make some poor decisions that can cost you a game. However, depending on your team mates is important, as long as you know you have to pull your weight in the clutch.

Now about that commment about how they can be beat well.........not true. FFA, perhaps. This season has seen a LOT of total unknown players come in and shake up the FFA table. However, at the end of the day the consistent pros are still up there. But FFA's are too inconsistent for even the best player to continually hold it down.

Team however......that's another story. You're not going to find a random group of Xbox Live Friends who think they're good and are going to come in and take down Final Boss or Carbon. I'm sorry, it's not gonna happen. The top pro teams have been around far too long and have too much chemistry to just be ursurped like that. You can argue team 5K did come in and cause some stir (taking 4th in their first event) but even they had two people on their team with MLG experience, and they surely didn't pose that much a threat to the top 2 teams.

The nerds with no lives thing......not true. Just a common misconception by people who don't know them (that wasn't directed entirely at you, but at people who say this.) You don't know them, and you don't know their lifestyle. Why call them nerds without lives? Because they devote time and effort to something they like to do? Then football players have no lives because that's all they do. Actors have no lives because that's all they do. You can't label someone until you know them, and I know for a fact that they have lives. They just like to play Halo and get paid. Heck, why not get paid for something you're good at?

Oh, WOW I'm off topic. Congrats Halogod on the Legit 50 LOL

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Love ya Ace

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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

no, your missing the point entirely,
1. THC thakes no skill (individually, its all on the team) Slayer takes more skill in that area because you can use the motion sensor to throw grenades, plan ambushes, and also those who CRouch are rewarded with an Assassination, while in THC you just run around and get them.
2. As i said before, Pros can be taken down NO MATTER what, they're not God, they aren't perfect and this Means in FFA or TEAM Slayer.
3. I merely said nerds with no lives as I have heard stories of kids who go *PRO* and gave up collage(I hope their parents are proud).
4. You can't really be a Pro at something that isn't a profession in the first place.
5. i don't think someone should be paid for playing a video game. You should EARN your money, hell then i should be paid to take a -blam!-.

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Posted by: militaryguns
no, your missing the point entirely,
1. THC thakes no skill (individually, its all on the team) Slayer takes more skill in that area because you can use the motion sensor to throw grenades, plan ambushes, and also those who CRouch are rewarded with an Assassination, while in THC you just run around and get them.
2. As i said before, Pros can be taken down NO MATTER what, they're not God, they aren't perfect and this Means in FFA or TEAM Slayer.
3. I merely said nerds with no lives as I have heard stories of kids who go *PRO* and gave up collage(I hope their parents are proud).
4. You can't really be a Pro at something that isn't a profession in the first place.
5. i don't think someone should be paid for playing a video game. You should EARN your money, hell then i should be paid to take a -blam!-.


How can you make these claims when you have NEVER played against a professional gamer?

Of course THC takes individual skill. Do you not know that 4 individuals make that team?

Let me guess your about a level 16.


I'll let Iceman or another smarter person dish the rest of it to you...

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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

Try 44 and im very intelligent as seen by the difference in our vocabulary and behavior.
Why do i make sucha assutions, because i've played Pro players before, granted they weren't Ogres but they were seasoned Veterans who knew how to play and i was FAR better then them. That is why i make such remarks, plus they're only human, and from what i've seen Humans make mistakes.
They also make foolish judgement calls. And i heard they can make a mean Sandwhich and Sex on the beach.

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HAHAH

Link your gamertag?

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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

Did you even bother to read my post?

Did you see my gamertag?

[Edited on 08.08.2007 4:57 PM PDT]

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Posted by: militaryguns
no, your missing the point entirely,
1. THC thakes no skill (individually, its all on the team) Slayer takes more skill in that area because you can use the motion sensor to throw grenades, plan ambushes, and also those who CRouch are rewarded with an Assassination, while in THC you just run around and get them.


Well you haven't played Hardcore at a higher level. Trust me, I've seen what good players have to offer, and it's skill. I promise you, if you take someone bad with you in Hardcore, they'll bring you down. You have to have some degree of skill to be good in Hardcore. Namely, get 5/6 headshot kills the majority of the time, and win your one on one battles when you get them. I'm not argueing with you that Team work is undermined, because I agree with you that team work is more important, and the better TEAM will win. But to say it doesn't take skill is mistaken. If you're bad at the game, you're not going to contribute, only hold your team back.

2. As i said before, Pros can be taken down NO MATTER what, they're not God, they aren't perfect and this Means in FFA or TEAM Slayer.

In terms of FFA, yes, Pros can be taken down. FFA isn't as consistent as teams. This is why unknown players are placing really well at FFA events. But teams is different. There has yet to be a break out team of unknown people, however I'll still give that nod to 5K even though two of their players have been in the MLG scene for some time now. Anyway, there are thousands of people who go to these events, and many of them are the kids you think are going to show up and take down Final Boss but............they get knocked out third round.

Until a team of complete randoms come in and upset an establish pro team, I won't believe it can happen. It's akin to saying that there are players out there in the world who can suddenly gather a group of football players and expect to win an American Superbowl. It won't happen.

3. I merely said nerds with no lives as I have heard stories of kids who go *PRO* and gave up collage(I hope their parents are proud).

Most, if not all, of the pros are in higher education, or still in high school. To my knowledge, one player dropped out. Heck, AYB Fonzi got a $250,000 contract, and he's in college to become an Engineer. I could go on about how the others are in college/high school and balance their work and gaming. You have to at least know what they do before you can talk about them like that. Otherwise the facts aren't straight.

4. You can't really be a Pro at something that isn't a profession in the first place.

Ehh, this tends to become too much of a side debate. I'll just leave it at this- people consider it a job because you're getting paid, others don't. I consider it a job because they're on contract and whathaveyou.

5. i don't think someone should be paid for playing a video game. You should EARN your money, hell then i should be paid to take a -blam!-.

They are earning their money. They don't give a quarter million to just anyone who picks up the sticks. These guys are getting paid to entertain those who are interested in pro gaming.

Heck, I'd gladly take $250,000 for something I'm good at, wouldn't you?

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Posted by: militaryguns
Did you even bother to read my post?

Did you see my gamertag?


Yes I read your post.

Are you ever going to say what your gamertag is let alone link it?

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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

Yes, I have played people who are high in Hardcore. 40s, and they aren't that imprassive with individual skill. What they have is TEAMWORK, in hardcore as you've stated is the core of THC. Unfortuantly, you CAN have no BR or skill and upset a team with NO teamwork at all. Trust me, its happened before.
2. Pros can be beat, as i stated I already have, and if you can beat them 1 v 1 in a FFA game, they can be Beat in Team Slayer games.
3. Lets set the record straight once and for all, Motion sensor on/off changes the game up to almost make it a different game entirely. Put thos same *Pro* players who only play MLG rules in a Regualr TS game, they won't adjust as well to someone like me who playes Both styles, but mainly Reg. Slayer.
4. I don't think you should be paid to play Video games, if so I should be paid to take a dump.
5. Although i respect your opinion as i've played you before in BTB back in the good old days, i ask What you mean by "Higher" ranked THC players? I've played 40s and higher before and not been too impressed. What they had was Teamwork thats for sure. You can't sneek a pistol from them without them telling their wholke team.
6. OP Check your inboxm, i mailed you my GT.

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I’m awaiting verification of that GT

  • 08.08.2007 5:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

I sent your a friend request. get on Halo 2.

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I guess its you then

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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

Why would I lie ;) Your not going to accept?

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Posted by: militaryguns
Yes, I have played people who are high in Hardcore. 40s, and they aren't that imprassive with individual skill. What they have is TEAMWORK, in hardcore as you've stated is the core of THC. Unfortuantly, you CAN have no BR or skill and upset a team with NO teamwork at all. Trust me, its happened before.


Yeah I've watched a lot of VoD and sometimes I think their BR's aren't too impressive (not saying mine so hot either) but a lot of the time a player who a team feels is slacking will be dropped. Saiyan and StrongSide are examples of this (though SS replaced Saiyan and became an absolute monster, as we all know.) But the point I'm trying to make is that you need some degree of skill to contribute effectively in this game. I mean, put me on Final Boss and I'm sure they wouldn't get top 3 in any tournament because I personally know I can't keep up in terms of skill- even if I sit back and just watch them from afar and put shots on the opponent. If I need to shine, and I can't, I won't be able to come through.

I think we're kinda on the same page, just .........different paragraphs? LoL


2. Pros can be beat, as i stated I already have, and if you can beat them 1 v 1 in a FFA game, they can be Beat in Team Slayer games.

I'm still disagreeing on this, for the team one. I honestly don't see an established pro being being beat by unknowns. It hasn't happened, before, and in the winding months on Halo 2, it still hasn't happened. Even all the Xbox live "undiscovered pro talent" have faced pros (online) and can't bring them down.

I know they aren't gods or anything, but they've been doing this too long to get beat by a team of unknowns.

3. Lets set the record straight once and for all, Motion sensor on/off changes the game up to almost make it a different game entirely. Put thos same *Pro* players who only play MLG rules in a Regualr TS game, they won't adjust as well to someone like me who playes Both styles, but mainly Reg. Slayer.

Valid point.

4. I don't think you should be paid to play Video games, if so I should be paid to take a dump.

LOL well.........no comment. I mean, people get paid to race cars, why not video games?

5. Although i respect your opinion as i've played you before in BTB back in the good old days, i ask What you mean by "Higher" ranked THC players? I've played 40s and higher before and not been too impressed. What they had was Teamwork thats for sure. You can't sneek a pistol from them without them telling their wholke team.

Cool. Guess it all comes down to a matter of experiences/interpretation.

6 Check your inboxm, i mailed you my GT.

I .......think I might know who you are but I'm not too sure LOL.

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lol beep bop =]

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How did I lie?

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Posted by: militaryguns
If its a great host, the time difference won't be noticable enough.


I've played with great hosts and the difference is still noticeable. It's a lot better since a lot of your shots actually connect across maps, but you can always tell the delay between when you pull the trigger to throw it a grenade and when it actually throws.

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You said we've played BTB together Militaryguns? Hmmm, I'm not sure if I remember LOL but if you refresh my memory I probably will (like who you were playing with and whatnot)

  • 08.08.2007 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

A little late there?
Iceman, whats your GT i'll FR you, as for you Sniper, accept my FR no?

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Mehh....maybe

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Posted by: MrBojangles136
I like dick

Sander04r, In the Clutch(He's a cheat now) Badass(Also a cheat) Lancer(Cheater) Z-day survivor, Mr. Sparkle, G manga, Orion, Dan18, Xray, Stepyourgameup(BK) IHATEUTAH.

  • 08.08.2007 5:25 PM PDT
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GT is "Iceman iz BacK" but I may have to remove someone but I'll make room.

Yoursss?

  • 08.08.2007 5:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: militaryguns
Sander04r, In the Clutch(He's a cheat now) Badass(Also a cheat) Lancer(Cheater) Z-day survivor, Mr. Sparkle, G manga, Orion, Dan18, Xray, Stepyourgameup(BK) IHATEUTAH.


LMAO dude

Yeah I think I might know now.........Clutch is good but he's a jerk, Stepy's aight he's a friendly guy at least. UTAH's just plain hilarious.

  • 08.08.2007 5:27 PM PDT