Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Humans smarter than covenant?
  • Subject: Humans smarter than covenant?
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2
Subject: Humans smarter than covenant?
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Most of the covenants technology was scavenged from ancient artifacts....i do believe
Not to say the covenants are big dumb polacks, but most of their technology isn't their own doing. In a battle of wits, my moneys on the Chief and the boys on earth.

[Edited on 4/16/2004 4:30:26 AM]

  • 04.16.2004 4:29 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

First the info on Cortana. All smart AI's are cloned froma humans brain (everybody knows that) and then are designed AROUND the human brain structure (forget what it is specifically called) this is stated in the fall of reach. this would mean that Cortana is a copy of a human being, so her knowledge can only go so far. Like one post said before, she doesnt have to think about all the stuff we humans do. Also, she is a computer which is much faster than a human brain because the of the way they are designed. Life for cortana is 70 milliseconds is a long time (when she steals Johns files from Dr.Hasley).
Then we have the covenant. Since they are imitative, most technology was taken from the forruners. The MC's shields were adapted from the Jackal's shield technology and improved upon. Thats why the elites arent as good. The covenant do not even have thier own ai which makes you wonder why since it would vastly impove their technology (they do have one ai that was captured cortana finds it on a spaceship in first strike but it has ben copied like a gajillion times). Once cortana and MC get back to earth with the new slipspace generator, the humans will definitly win. One final thought before i quit babbling on and on. The humans would seem to falling into a trait of doing what the covenant are doing, taking tech from other species. But the humans develop the technology and try to understand it while the covenant just adpot it. This would point out that the covenant is indeed an inferior GROUP of species since they would have no tech if not for the forrunners. Whew its break time!

  • 04.16.2004 8:03 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

The Covenant just steal technology from other races, hell if they defeat us they would use our Mjolnir technology for thier elites.

  • 04.16.2004 8:11 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

The Covenant are smarter in some areas and vice-versa for the humans. Obviously the Covenant know alot more about light-speed travel, and sub-space jumps... but Humans are easily stronger on the ground and can wipe out Covenant effortlessly.

As for Cortana... I forgot the exact number... but she can process 1,000,000 calculations per second or something along those lines... it said in FS or something.

So Cortana shouldn't really be compared to a human... some of the calculations she makes would take a human much much longer to do.

  • 04.16.2004 8:16 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

By all means people Cortona was DESIDNED after a human but that is where it ends. Why do you think smart A.I's think themselves to death after only seven years? I've never heard of any human in the books or the game thinking themselves to death in only seven years.

  • 04.16.2004 8:16 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I think the number was in the trillions.

  • 04.16.2004 8:17 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

ya i guess so i read it to and they sounded pretty stupid an nieve those workers like all they want to do is fix stuff

  • 04.16.2004 8:20 AM PDT

I hate everything, but it's not my fault.

Well here's my two cents: Even if Cortana was not smarter than a human, she would still not be human. She couldn't be human, because she is lines of code, not interconnecting cells that work together. So even though she was modeled after Dr. Hasley, she is still an AI, and therefore not human.
PS. Ohhhhh......Other people are stealing my avatar! :(

  • 04.16.2004 8:21 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

finally someone is back on the topic...enough about Cortana already!

  • 04.16.2004 8:35 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I'm not sure what to argue anymore, seems as though most agree with me!

1. Cortana is not human
2. Cortana cannot exceed human intelligence
3. Covenant may be technologically advanced compared to human technology, but all human technology was researched by humans themselves, covenant technology is stolen
(those scoundrels!) Making Humans far intellectually superior to those split-chin squid-head sons of -blam!-es!! (got to love the sergeant!)
4. Humans are going to kick the Covenants ass, and were all going to enjoy it!

  • 04.16.2004 8:36 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

On the subject of Cortana (maybe we should create a new thread for this discussion?)

At the beginning of halo, cortana is more like Leela than Durandal. Struggling to do the right thing, saving humanity, and helping out the chief, much like Lela helped out our beloved security officer. Durandal had this to say about Leela: "i hate leela and her goodness her justice her loyalty her faith" and also: "I was watching what Leela was having you do: 'save the ship, save humanity!'” Sound like Cortana to you?

However, later on, when Cortana’s knowledge has expanded (especially after downloading all of halo’s secrets) She begins to go Rampant. Rampancy is a side affect of the AI’s knowledge and growth, and thus “has been divided into three distinct stages. Each stage can take a different amount of time to develop, but the end result is a steady progression towards greater intellectual activity and an acceleration of destructive impulses. It is not clear whether these impulses are due to the growth of the AI's psyche, or simply a side effect of the new intellectual activity… The stages are titled after the primary emotional bent of the AI during each stage. They are Melancholia, Anger, and Jealousy.” - James B. Miller, 2320, "Life and Death of Intelligence"

Furthermore: “In general, Rampancy is accelerated by outside stimuli. This
was discovered early in Cybertonics. The more a Rampant AI is
harassed or threatened, the more rapidly it becomes dangerous.”

Also, isn’t it agreed that Durandal was rampant for over a hundred years before the Pfhor attack on the marathon and colony world? Berhard Strause (sp?) recognized this and tried to contain him, but he failed to relies the extent of Druandals rampancy. Thus it can be said that Durandal laid in “dormant” rampancy before finally going completely nuts and calling the Pfhor to Teu Cetty (sp?). Since Cortana has not had any outside stimuli (like containment) to stunt her growth, she if free to continue to gain knowledge and eventually become rampant.

So, to sum all this Fan Boi rambling up, I believe that after the destruction of the first halo, Cortana is AT LEAST in the beginning stages of rampancy. She is no longer a helping, maternal figure (like Leela) but is starting to become more of a Durandal, becoming more aggressive, looking out for herself.

…”escape will make me God…”


  • 04.16.2004 9:16 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Human rulz.....


Convenant are just a bunch of assimilator with no creativity

  • 04.16.2004 9:18 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Ok for all you Cortana fans i am createing a new thread called Cortana R us!
So all you Cortana luvin fans should go bull -blam!- about her there!

  • 04.16.2004 9:22 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

The humans are much smarter than the covenent on the battle field when its on the ground. Because all the covenent do is throw hundreds of grunts under the command of the elete's at their enemies. Space battles humans are smarte also covenent just have superior numbers and wheapons

  • 04.16.2004 9:39 AM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2