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  • 08.10.2007 2:09 PM PDT
Subject: The BR is the Ultimate Spawning Weapon of halo 2 (with video explai...
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your absolutely right i totaly forgot about the video seen it awhile ago should use that as my defense lol good show

  • 08.10.2007 2:18 PM PDT
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I agree with you,
However the spawn killing thing... Just ain't right.
I have been on many a team with my teammates spawn killing.
They just dont have a chance to fight back.

  • 08.10.2007 2:25 PM PDT
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Bravo, Im happy someone shares my veiws, I see both sides though but I still agree, BR starts whould pretty much take the less skilled and serious players out of the game because we all know that BR is a skill weapon unlike the prey and spray technique. I think the BR is the most versitile weapon in the arsenal and with a BR you can still defend yourself from the less skilled power weapon carriers. After all, matchmaking is about your skill compared to other players and racking up the kills by whoring the rockets and sword deffinatly doesnt mean you have mad skills. Same thing goes for the needler, you dont have skill because you killed me with a weapon the seeks its target. I agree though, I support the idea!

  • 08.10.2007 2:27 PM PDT
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The less skilled players should lose to you "gifted" people either way. The MORE skilled players should know how to adapt to a situation.
Like learning how to overpower a power weapon with an SMG and grenades.

Yes, in large levels you should have BR and SMG start. But in small levels and even some medium levels, you should start with the SMG. The battle rifle takes out the element of dual wielding from the game.

No more reason than what I have provided is required for Bungie to leave SMG as the starting weapon on many maps.

  • 08.10.2007 2:36 PM PDT

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I agree, but you already made this thread and it got locked.

  • 08.10.2007 2:38 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

VERY good post. The main reason most of the "scrubs" on this forum complain about BR as the starting weapon is because they suck with it. Thats why they all want the SMG. Just stand a few steps from a wall and shoot it with an SMG and then shoot it with a BR. The BR takes more skill to aim and adequately use. Most of the kids on here dont have the brainpower or coordination to use it properly so they want to use something that they can get more of a shot spread from.

  • 08.10.2007 2:49 PM PDT

are you explaining my own opinions to me?
oh thanks.

I think the BR is a good weapon and all.

i think the big problem in my ability to enjoy it is the open-ness of halo maps.

like desolation for example.
theres NO places to recover a shield when you have 4 guys attacking.

i just think that the BR will be a more enjoyable, and balanced weapon (for better or for worse- depending on who's using the BR!) in halo 3, since there's so much diversity within the game options itself.
and i'm not even mentioning forge.

  • 08.10.2007 6:36 PM PDT
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Great Post. BR Starts FTW!

  • 08.10.2007 9:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Janube Taso
The less skilled players should lose to you "gifted" people either way. The MORE skilled players should know how to adapt to a situation.
Like learning how to overpower a power weapon with an SMG and grenades.

Yes, in large levels you should have BR and SMG start. But in small levels and even some medium levels, you should start with the SMG. The battle rifle takes out the element of dual wielding from the game.

No more reason than what I have provided is required for Bungie to leave SMG as the starting weapon on many maps.


What you don't understand is that the SMG doesn't allow you to adapt. It's only effective at one range (close range) and forces you to either dual wield or find a better weapon. If you can't do either, you are screwed. If you don't happen to spawn near a better weapon, you will die if you are playing against good players.

And dual-wielding doesn't have to be in the game. Halo 1 managed to be one of the best competitive games of all time without it.

  • 08.11.2007 10:16 AM PDT
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Sorry to these People for my Spawn Killing

I Just couldn't help it!!!

  • 08.11.2007 10:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: TheTruthOfAllTru
I agree with you,
However the spawn killing thing... Just ain't right.
I have been on many a team with my teammates spawn killing.
They just dont have a chance to fight back.


Spawn Killing sucks, but it's going to happen. The other team shouldn't be getting the opportunity to fight back, and that's why you set up and spawn kill until you get total map control.

I see what you're getting at though (and I respect you for it,) but there's really no "honor" when it comes to competing. The only honor there is is knowing you gave your all, not giving the other team a chance.

Yeah, I hate getting spawn killed like anyone else, but I know it's a tactic being used against me, so I'm going to do it when I can.

[Edited on 08.11.2007 11:51 AM PDT]

  • 08.11.2007 11:51 AM PDT
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It happens the most in Tombstone...spawn killing I mean, good god...

  • 08.11.2007 12:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: TheTruthOfAllTru
I agree with you,
However the spawn killing thing... Just ain't right.
I have been on many a team with my teammates spawn killing.
They just dont have a chance to fight back.


Spawn Killing sucks, but it's going to happen. The other team shouldn't be getting the opportunity to fight back, and that's why you set up and spawn kill until you get total map control.

I see what you're getting at though (and I respect you for it,) but there's really no "honor" when it comes to competing. The only honor there is is knowing you gave your all, not giving the other team a chance.

Yeah, I hate getting spawn killed like anyone else, but I know it's a tactic being used against me, so I'm going to do it when I can.

The only reason I don't really like it is because they really can't do anything.They spawn with an SMG just to get killed...
I feel there is no honor in doing it... However if it is Team slayer BR .
Than yes I will also spawn kill. If they can't get rid of me, than they must learn to adapt.

  • 08.11.2007 1:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kevkili
I said this once, I'll say it again...
What you don't get is that weapons don't determine balance in the game. The players do. The game drastically differentiates if the players are good, if they're bad, if they cheat, if they care, and if they superbounce. Weapons have nothing to do with it.

On another note, SMG starts are balanced, in a way. If the starting weapon is an SMG, then everybody has one. There is no unfair advantage. It all depends on if the player is good with the weapon or not.

Although I do agree that the BR should be on bigger maps. I'll give you that much. As for smaller maps, the SMG is fine.



Balanced and unfair are different though. We aren't saying SMG start is unfair. BR does bring balance to the weapons, in the fact that the power weapons aren't so easy to use. Get Snipe on top of a base on a map like BC where there aren't many BRs, with SMG start, and its so incredibly easy. You don't even have to be good to do well. SMG starts stress just GETTING the power weapons. Once that's done, the game is going to swing in your favor big time. BR starts stress getting the power weapons, and having the skill to use them effectively, and the teamwork to hold on to them.

An an SMG start game between two teamwork oriented teams on lockout, imagine one team spawning BR tower, while the other spawns blue. This game is going to start off so lopsided. BR tower has access to both power weapons on the map, a BR, and an SMG/PR combo, all while having the most easily held position on the map. Blue has access to one BR. One Br and 3 SMGs has no chance against the other team with the classic BR Tower setup. Suddenly, if you start with BRs, you can use teamwork to get out of that hole, because you have a weapon that can counter power weapons.

  • 08.12.2007 10:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: johnd3d
Battle Rifle V.S Carbine?
Whether to use the battle rifle or the Carbine.

[edit]Pros
More punch. 4 bursts to the head will kill a normally shielded player, the Carbine needs 7 shots.
Better range, meaning it can take on enemies at a further distance than a carbine.
More precise and accurate meaning it is easier to aim than the carbine.
Some find the zoom feature to be less cluttered than the carbine's.

[edit]Cons
A lower rate of fire! If a BR were to face off against a carbine, and each shot from each gun hit their target's head, the carbine should kill first. It takes 7 headshots to kill a fully shielded enemy with the Carbine, while it takes 4 with the BR, however the firing speed makes up for this. -- Paradox, PEZ, CoB Concordia
It is arguably worse at close range than the carbine. (This mainly because of the slower rate of fire.)
Fewer potential shots. Since each burst from the Battle Rifle uses three bullets, at full ammo (36 in clip and 108 on reserve) it can get off 48 shots. The Carbine can get off 90 (18 in clip, 72 in reserve).

[edit]Equals
They work just the same on unshielded opponents.
Its more about your personal preferences and/or the situation.


The pros for BR, with range. that's typically my argument for having Carbine starts. Having the more powerful weapon doesn't necessarily bring more balance. The BR is seen by many as a power weapon now. Its the most versatile weapon, and in the hands of a good player, can be used to control a map just like a sniper or other weapon. The carbine doesn't have the range, meaning it can't be used to control the map as a power weapon, but it still gives you a fighting chance against power weapons, without being able to consider it one itself.

The biggest pro I have for BR though, is that its the best teamfire, and most teamwork oriented weapon, making it the best 4v4 starting weapon. i do believe carbine should see more action in Rumble Pit though.

  • 08.12.2007 10:57 AM PDT
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Why does this rant exist? It's a little too late. Just wait for Halo 3 when we get an even more balanced starting weapon(It doesn't need headshots, or it would be a bad starting weapon, even if one player is hit first he still has a change to retaliate, unlike the Battle Rifle spawn weapon or not)

Although the Carbine would be a good starting weapon, as it has less auto assist(or in my experience) and demands more skill. It only falls with 2 problems: It is heavily affected by latency(SWAT carbines is most noticable) and it only has 2 magazines to start with, not enough for heated battles. I'm glad they made it 6 hsk in Halo 3.

[Edited on 08.12.2007 11:47 AM PDT]

  • 08.12.2007 11:43 AM PDT