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I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

This video cracks me up sir.

Did you make it?

Because I LOVE IT.

The Windows Movie Maker added text and mispelling of the word "Strict" (See "Strick") does nothing to change the fact that the guy is talking about the Assault Rifle and never even mentions the Battle Rfle or that spawning players with Dual Weildable weapons was a mistake.

10/10 for entertainment value. XD

P.S Isn't recreating a locked thread against the rules?

[Edited on 08.12.2007 4:42 PM PDT]

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A good idea John, but didn't you already post this same thread a while ago?

  • 08.12.2007 5:52 PM PDT

I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

Posted by: Kevkili
I guess he did make it, because the text say what he usually says on the forums every day.


No if it were to say what he says on the forums every day then at regular 10 second intervals it would pop up with "I was a legit 43" sir. XD

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Posted by: Xiahou Dun
This video cracks me up sir.

Did you make it?

Because I LOVE IT.

The Windows Movie Maker added text and mispelling of the word "Strict" (See "Strick") does nothing to change the fact that the guy is talking about the Assault Rifle and never even mentions the Battle Rfle or that spawning players with Dual Weildable weapons was a mistake.

10/10 for entertainment value. XD

P.S Isn't recreating a locked thread against the rules?


You must have missed the sentence that BR was thrown into. It was saying how the Assault Rifle (and Battle Rifle), work well with the big three of Halo. Weapons, Grenades and melees.

I see that went over your head. It wasn't saying the BR was the same as the AR, it was making multiple points on how the BR is better than the SMG, one point being that a starting weapon should work with the big three.

  • 08.12.2007 6:02 PM PDT

I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

In that video nothing was said of the Battle Rifle and was just added by the maker sir.

My point is that what would have been a fairly credible and good basis for a discussion on this (As don't get me wrong that's what it was.) was (In my eyes at least) slighted by a botched and idiotic video put together. there was no need for it at all

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Posted by: Xiahou Dun
In that video nothing was said of the Battle Rifle and was just added by the maker sir.

My point is that what would have been a fairly credible and good basis for a discussion on this (As don't get me wrong that's what it was.) was (In my eyes at least) slighted by a botched and idiotic video put together. there was no need for it at all


It doesn't matter that the BR wasn't mentioned.

The BR works well with the big three of Halo, thats obvious. In talking about Halo3, the guy said the AR was a good starting weapon because "it worked well with the big three of Halo". So using that knowledge, you could make an argument saying the BR is a good starting weapon. get it yet?

  • 08.12.2007 6:13 PM PDT

I'd Rather Be A Smartass Than A Dumbass

Of course I got that implied sir.

However he also spoke about how it was not too weak and not too strong. That it gives players a little more punch when they spawned but not too much as to threaten weapon control.

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I 100% Agree with you.

  • 08.13.2007 8:32 AM PDT

Zerogreenchief is eh pretty cool guy, eh trolls people and doesn't afraid of anything.

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I prefer to use the Carbine first, Then the Battle Rifle.
The Carbine I feel is a bit more dangerous in the hands of a Marksman.
I use the Battle Rifle last so I can clean up.

  • 08.13.2007 12:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Kevkili
I said this once, I'll say it again...
What you don't get is that weapons don't determine balance in the game. The players do. The game drastically differentiates if the players are good, if they're bad, if they cheat, if they care, and if they superbounce. Weapons have nothing to do with it.

On another note, SMG starts are balanced, in a way. If the starting weapon is an SMG, then everybody has one. There is no unfair advantage. It all depends on if the player is good with the weapon or not.

Although I do agree that the BR should be on bigger maps. I'll give you that much. As for smaller maps, the SMG is fine.


*Players have effects on each individual game, yes, but we're talking about EVERY game ever played and how to balance them out.

*This point is valid at the beginning of the game, not the middle or end. Once people start getting the better weapons (BR, power weapons, ext.) then the SMG is useless and you're stuck spawning with it untill the end of the game, not able to get many kills.

*Even on small maps, they still have larger areas where a medium ranged weapon needs to be used. Most of the small maps have an abundance of duelwieldable weapons that you can use in the smaller, confined spaces in the map.

Posted by: Janube Taso
The less skilled players should lose to you "gifted" people either way. The MORE skilled players should know how to adapt to a situation.
Like learning how to overpower a power weapon with an SMG and grenades.

Learning to use your grenades and the SMG is fine if it weren't for the fact that the said power weapons are so easy to use and powerfull,hence "power" weapons. An SMG is usless against the Sword and Rockets and only a bit more effective against a sniper. If all it took was knowing how to use a single SMG and grenades, there wouldn't be this debate.

  • 08.13.2007 1:04 PM PDT
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I totally agree. BR makes the game so much better. Personally it's my favorite weapon, as most would probably agree with me, it IS the best for playing Halo.

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Yes I agree that the BR is an excellent weapon and should be used more as a spawn weapon. More and more I find myself looking for it to use vs a dual wield combo or power weapon. It is a balanced weapon and I want to see more of it.

However, I have noticed in this thread that there is a great deal about overall game balance and the unfairness of certain weapons and combos. One such post cited the homing ability of rockets on multiplayer as tipping the balance.

Isn't that the point? Yes, I hate running around in my ghost on Zanzibar, getting a killing spree, then boom. No more me. Then having to wait until you know ur team has it or it is out out of ammo before picking up where u left off, but isn't that the idea? This IS a war inspired game and that's what war is about. Gaining the upper hand. Tactics come into it, but in war we also dominate by using better and stronger weapons and technology. I wish we spawned more with the BR but otherwise I have no gripe with the other weapons or their capabilities. They serve their purpose, and besides, all is fair...

  • 08.13.2007 2:53 PM PDT
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I agree, if there isn't going to be BR default spawn, at least make more maps with default BR spawn, like Desolation. That map is terrible as it is even if you're playing a game with BR spawn.

With SMG spawn, the player is mainly concerned with grenades and melee, or dual wielding in the heat of battle, and with grabbing the power weapons when running around. There's less for the player to worry about if he/she spawns with a weapon like the BR.

  • 08.13.2007 9:06 PM PDT
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Well, although I normally hate seeing you post, I will admit that this was a very well-written post. You have good points on most everything, but I disagree with your views on 9 and 11. I think that the BR would (and does) make a game of "why pick up anything else?" In most BR games, from low-level customs to professional gameplay videos, it ends up as constant shooting at anything and everything that moves, even if they have absolutely no chance of killing their target. This is partially because they have so much ammo to start with, but also because no matter where they are, they can tag someone from a great distance (on small maps, any other point on the map).

I think this is strongly related to point 11, because when you spawn with the BR, you really don't need another weapon to be an effective killer. From spawn, you have the grenade combo the the ability to 4-shot kill someone, not to mention the vast array of button glitches which make the BR even more powerful. (No, I'm not making this a glitches thread). I'm saying that despite what you say about the BR not being too powerful, it is probably the single most powerful weapon in Halo 2. Other weapons have their limitations (you can't rocket a guy easily at long range, snipers generally aren't close-combat weapons), but the BR is extremely useful at all but the most extreme ranges where lag and connection strength (or a sniper rifle) become the dominant factors. If you're tooling around midship with a shotgun an your BR start, and someone kills you, I know that you won't go for the shotgun unless you spawned mere meters from your death. You can kill just as effectively without your shotgun, or any weapon you might of dropped.

About the video... I would definitely not call it conclusive proof, nor even slightly persuasive. They took an over hyped quote from bungie and stuck in their own message: "Everything bungie is saying about the Halo 3 assault rifle magically applies to the Halo 2 battle rifle too! Then, with extreme suddenness, they cut off the dialogue at the end about SMG spawns, the way sleazy politicians do to their opponents speeches. I think you could do this thread much greater credit by removing the video link from the opening post. Your words are convincing, but that video reeks of poorly edited, ill-concieved thought stolen from others. Apologies if you made that video.

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Smg sucks br rules.

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