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You know, I remember the first time I saw Halo 2. it wa on my buddy's 60 inch plasma and I was blown away. Even though I sucked, it was more fun than most games.. I spent the next year just wondering when they'll port it to the PC. And here it is. As I expected, it's all i've been palying for the last few weeks.. Congrats Bungie. :)




GFW gave it a 6.0 and I think that's a pretty damn poor assesment.

Here are somethings that come to mind.
Transported to PC in 2007, however, Bungie's shooter loosk downright primitive- espefcially when landmark games like Half Life 2 and Battlefield 2 have bla bla bla.....
Who are they kidding. Half Life 2 probably does have better graphics, but BF2 is just ugly. The game has no sense of aesthetic style (the halo series has always been a alandmark as far as aesthetics are concerened) and BF2 has no shaders at all. Halo 2, on the other hand has a bunch of nifty effects. The shiny glint on the elites loks great and all the weapon effects look hands down awesome.


Damn.. im not gonna keep quoting GFW. too lazy lol.


Okay, so then they say that switching between an elite and the chief is a "narrative distaster." The thing is that Halo 2's sotry is just more complex than the average game's. You've go the coventant vs the humans, the whooe role of halo in the coventants religion, humans vs. the coventnat, development of key characters, etc.. Unlike Doom, it's just "you in deep ****, go get er' done." And the simple fact is that all these things could never be conveyed if we restricted the point of view to a traditional narrative model.. I mean, if we only played as the chief, how the heck wouldwe know what's goin down with the covenant? We couldn't. Playing as the convenant provides some insight into the problems that they face. It's a narrative strength.

But I admit, from a gameplay astandpoitn, it is a bit disconrting. Would have been nice if there were a transition.. of some sort...

*reads on*


OK, so they claim that the gameplay is simplistic? Again, GFW are making themselves loo like sellouts. You've got dual wielding, melee, 2 kinds of grenades, and some failry big levels, and some pretty dynamic AI. Although it's fast paced, Halo 2 also manages to be pretty deep. Some levels like the beach level and Halo levels give you an impressive degree of freedom.


And now they say that the controls are bad. Uh, honestly, before, I played I thought "dual wielding with a mouse.. Uh oh,.. That won't work." But then I plyed and I realzied that it works fine. Very responsive.


Seriosuly, they just don't give the game any credit for how great the combat looks and feels.

  • 08.10.2007 8:41 PM PDT
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First of all BF2 isn't ugly. I actually hate the style but it sure as hell isn't ugly. Second of all, I agree with the majority of your post. The game is far from perfect, especially seeing as it's the launch for Live on PC, but it's getting too much negative PR. It's not as bad as the people who don't have the game tell you.

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Graphics-wise I'd have to disagree with you. BF2 looks terrible.... until you turn on anti-aliasing. The gameplay was fresh (when 1942 came out) and is still enormously fun. There are little to no balance issues and it's just in general more fun than Halo 2. Integrated stat tracking, RPG elements, VOIP (for free). 2142 has wayyy less bugs and runs even smoother.
Half-Life 2 is the best shooter ever made, pretty much. I don't know how you can even compare Halo 2 to it. Halo 1 gave it a run for its money, but that's pretty much it.
Also, neither of these amazing games require Vista, or restrict you unless you pay 60 bucks a year

EDIT:and I'm talking about things I DO know of... as in how Halo 2 plays, what live does for it, and the other two games mentioned I've logged hundreds of hours on.

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  • 08.10.2007 9:12 PM PDT
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  • 08.10.2007 9:38 PM PDT
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When it first came out Bf2 did have top of the line graphics. But yes, these days it's dated.

And Fallen Sanctum, even I didn't get that message. And I should seeing as it's my job.

  • 08.10.2007 9:46 PM PDT
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Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

The review also shoudl have said it's russian roulette that it will even work on your PC.

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Posted by: No Refunds
First of all BF2 isn't ugly. I actually hate the style but it sure as hell isn't ugly. Second of all, I agree with the majority of your post. The game is far from perfect, especially seeing as it's the launch for Live on PC, but it's getting too much negative PR. It's not as bad as the people who don't have the game tell you.

  • 08.11.2007 12:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
Half-Life 2 is the best shooter ever made, pretty much.

rolf

As for aesthetics, yes, Halo1 was great. It had big expanses of bright colors and sharp contrasts, stuff that makes artistic sense. In Halo 2, however, they added in a bunch of extra textures and surfaces that made the game visually busy and hard on the eye.

Also, putting in the Arbiter was terrible, complexity of the story be damned. First of all, H1 had moral certainty--the elites were evil monsters that yelled in a strange guttural language as they tried to kill you. Then in H2 we find out that most of them are actually okay guys, and they have all these human characteristics and really corny accents and even cornier lines. Just bad.

Anyway, I'm not trying to hate on H2V. I'm sure it'll turn out good once they get some patches out and everyone gets Vista. I just don't think it will live up to HPC because H2X didn't live up to HCE.

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You don't like Half-Life 2?

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Does any oene else disagree with the H2 Vista reviews?Only one. And that's this one.

Besides that, I agree. But hey, what do I know? I don't even own the game.

  • 08.11.2007 11:51 AM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Posted by: Master Kim
Besides that, I agree. But hey, what do I know? I don't even own the game.
Indeed. :P

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Posted by: Master Kim
Does any oene else disagree with the H2 Vista reviews?Only one. And that's this one.

Besides that, I agree. But hey, what do I know? I don't even own the game.

That review was the most ridiculous review ever. They overrated it =P.

  • 08.11.2007 5:30 PM PDT
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Yes, but by saying that it means Kim agrees with snow's 4 out of 10 review.

Does anyone know how craptastic a 4 out of 10 game is?

It's too crappy for words.

  • 08.11.2007 5:57 PM PDT
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BF2 is ugly. Crappy hit detection with a very hard lack of balance like they intended to do it. Buy the expansion pack and you get more weapons! yay! Less balance! Yay!

Halo 2 isnt that bad... but it isnt that good either.
LIVE is what annoyed me the most. Whether it didnt want to connect at all or kick me off randomly. It would be so nice if the 'gold' didnt cost anything

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  • 08.12.2007 9:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThisDayIsMine
GFW gave it a 6.0 and I think that's a pretty damn poor assesment.

I disagree. I think it should be that, if not lower.

Here are somethings that come to mind.
Transported to PC in 2007, however, Bungie's shooter loosk downright primitive- espefcially when landmark games like Half Life 2 and Battlefield 2 have bla bla bla.....
Who are they kidding. Half Life 2 probably does have better graphics, but BF2 is just ugly. The game has no sense of aesthetic style (the halo series has always been a alandmark as far as aesthetics are concerened) and BF2 has no shaders at all. Halo 2, on the other hand has a bunch of nifty effects. The shiny glint on the elites loks great and all the weapon effects look hands down awesome.

You have to take into account that Halo 2's graphics should be able to run fine on computers with double hardware strength compared to that of the Xbox, but that's not the case due to the crappy way the graphics were ported. On top of that, not being able to disable certain graphics options is just ridiculous. So yeah, the game looks good, if you have a 1,500$ system. But it can never look great, like HL2 or similar games with even lower system requirements than Halo 2.

Okay, so then they say that switching between an elite and the chief is a "narrative distaster." The thing is that Halo 2's sotry is just more complex than the average game's. You've go the coventant vs the humans, the whooe role of halo in the coventants religion, humans vs. the coventnat, development of key characters, etc.. Unlike Doom, it's just "you in deep ****, go get er' done." And the simple fact is that all these things could never be conveyed if we restricted the point of view to a traditional narrative model.. I mean, if we only played as the chief, how the heck wouldwe know what's goin down with the covenant? We couldn't. Playing as the covenent provides some insight into the problems that they face. It's a narrative strength.
That's one part of the story that bothered me, though. Too biased. When you play as a human, you kill covenant. When you play as covenant, you kill... covenant.

OK, so they claim that the gameplay is simplistic? Again, GFW are making themselves loo like sellouts. You've got dual wielding, melee, 2 kinds of grenades, and some failry big levels, and some pretty dynamic AI. Although it's fast paced, Halo 2 also manages to be pretty deep. Some levels like the beach level and Halo levels give you an impressive degree of freedom.
It's simplistic in the way the gameplay is handled. It's basically the same with Halo 1; You have the same gameplay style all the way through the game. There's not much variety. Go in, shoot, cutscene. Wash, rinse, repeat. In other games, the action can quickly change and when it does, it varies greatly.


And now they say that the controls are bad. Uh, honestly, before, I played I thought "dual wielding with a mouse.. Uh oh,.. That won't work." But then I plyed and I realzied that it works fine. Very responsive.


Seriosuly, they just don't give the game any credit for how great the combat looks and feels.

The controls for Halo 2 aren't as fluid as Halo 1. Everything feels like too much of a separate action. In Halo 1, I could blast away 2 guys with the pistol, , start firing at the third, switch to an empty weapon, swap it out for a full one nearby, and use it against my enemy or switch back. Fluidly. In Halo 2, things just move in too much of a cluttered and slow fashion for that to happen.

  • 08.12.2007 10:22 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

I just think some people are taking this too seriously.

It's a game, you have fun with it.

  • 08.12.2007 7:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oni Ryu
Everything this guy said.

First of all, I'm tired of morons like you, so lets just lay the cards out right on the bat. Second of all, do you even own Halo 2 vista? Third of all, you said Halo 2 has the same feel of Halo, may I just say that is one of the stupidest things I have heard this week. Congratulations.

Dude, Halo 2 in comparison to Halo 1 is crap, but based on your post, have you even played it. I'm too lazy to take it apart piece by piece, but in general, nearly everything you said was complete crap.

  • 08.12.2007 7:54 PM PDT
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*marvels* your all still here...

Personally, I think the game looks great. Huge resolution, high framerate, vivid colors- I can only imagine what it would look like on Vista.

  • 08.12.2007 8:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: trekkie
*marvels* your all still here...

Personally, I think the game looks great. Huge resolution, high framerate, vivid colors- I can only imagine what it would look like on Vista.

[quote]Posted by: trekkie

it is on vista dousche

  • 08.12.2007 10:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

I don't care what the reviews say as I am having fun with the game.

  • 08.13.2007 2:35 AM PDT

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BF2 and BF 2142 are SO MUCH better games with proper supporting and gamestats etc. They are real pc-games and not lousy console ports. They are much funnier to play as well and less filled with idiots playing them. Halo 2 is a good game on xbox though and Halo 3 is gonna be the Halo game worth longing for.

And by the way; H2V is extremely ugly for a game released in 2007!!!

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  • 08.13.2007 5:05 AM PDT

Posted by: ThisDayIsMine
Okay, so then they say that switching between an elite and the chief is a "narrative distaster." The thing is that Halo 2's sotry is just more complex than the average game's. You've go the coventant vs the humans, the whooe role of halo in the coventants religion, humans vs. the coventnat, development of key characters, etc.. Unlike Doom, it's just "you in deep ****, go get er' done." And the simple fact is that all these things could never be conveyed if we restricted the point of view to a traditional narrative model.. I mean, if we only played as the chief, how the heck wouldwe know what's goin down with the covenant? We couldn't. Playing as the convenant provides some insight into the problems that they face. It's a narrative strength.

A narrative disaster - that call is right on the money. It was a big '-blam!- you' to immersion and continuity. Maybe they could have done it without it, maybe they couldn't. But there's no use imagining a comparison where you've simply removed the arbiter levels and say, 'hey look the story doesn't work now so obviously it had to be there'. Obviously, had they decided to do it differently, then they would have... you know, done it differently!

But I hated it and a fair few friends of mine who played it hated it too. Story never takes precedence over gameplay.

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Posted by: trekkie
*marvels* your all still here...

Personally, I think the game looks great. Huge resolution, high framerate, vivid colors- I can only imagine what it would look like on Vista.

[quote]Posted by: trekkie

it is on vista dousche


For your average ignorant fool, but I, an above average ignorant fool, am capable of running it on XP.

  • 08.13.2007 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThisDayIsMine
Who are they kidding. Half Life 2 probably does have better graphics, but BF2 is just ugly. The game has no sense of aesthetic style (the halo series has always been a alandmark as far as aesthetics are concerened) and BF2 has no shaders at all. Halo 2, on the other hand has a bunch of nifty effects. The shiny glint on the elites loks great and all the weapon effects look hands down awesome.


Lmao.

  • 08.13.2007 12:33 PM PDT

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