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* Pr: ĭnʹtərnĕts: "I hear there's rumors on the uh (pause), Internets...

Heh, that made me laugh.

'Vertex Shaders', as you call them != Level Geometry.

Please, think before you make an ignorant statement like that again.
Posted by: staticx576
It's a classic case of messed up vertex shaders, whether your card is overheating, bad video card drivers or corrupted files they would all do it.

  • 08.18.2007 12:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Well his level geometry is fine so it's obviously his video card whether it's in software or hardware thats what is messed up. kthx.

Do I need to break this down for you too?
In XPhis level geometry is fine so the source files on his disc are also fine. Now you need to figure that either his video card is overheating(hardware) or he has bad drivers(software). In either case the vertex shaders on his card are incapable of rendering the geometry correctly.

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  • 08.18.2007 1:05 AM PDT

* Pr: ĭnʹtərnĕts: "I hear there's rumors on the uh (pause), Internets...

You really have no idea what you're trying to talk about.

Anyway...if you take a look at the first screenshot he posted, you can see the stretched vertices quite clearly, this may be the reason you mistook a malformed vert, for a vertex shader. Let me attempt to explain what a 'shader' is (not that you'll read this...), or in the case of shaders used in the DirectX API. A 'vertex shader' provides the Graphics Processing Unit with instructions on color and location that are then used to render a Geometry Shader. Those kind of shaders can be affected by, or left alone by a Pixel Shader, which provides complex instructions to apply extra effects such as a normal map.

Also, this doesn't explain why this TC has a bad experience in Windows Vista, and not in XP...

  • 08.18.2007 2:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Exactly you havent explained anything in terms of the problem and you posted information that I already know. I know exactly what a normal map does(maybe not the math behind it), but I know it's function. I also know what a vertex shader is before you "told me."

Your use of big words is also wholly unimpressive, Directx API, as if you needed to add API to sound important. George Carlin said this best: "
People add extra words when they want things to sound more important than they really are." In any case you contradict yourself very bad right here:
darthbob posted:
A 'vertex shader' provides the Graphics Processing Unit with instructions on color and location that are then used to render a Geometry Shader.

Funny the vertex shader provides information on how to render the scene and it then produces a geometry shader? Makes no sense. You also seem to think that a vertex shader provides the GPU with data, guess what, a vertex shader IS the GPU(or at least part of it).

Maybe I wasn't clear on my wording but the vertex shader is ultimately responsible for where a vertex ends up. If he can play on XP with perfect map geometry you can GUESS that the map files arent messed up coming off the disc. Therefor you can also guess that something is messing up the geometry. Something is rendering the geometry wrong.

  • 08.18.2007 3:05 AM PDT

I've seen this before, it's the graphics card. The thing is defective. All you can do is try and get a new one.

  • 08.18.2007 5:30 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

I loled at this topic.

The TC has similar specs to mine, except I have the 7600GT.

Apparently the above poster is correct, looks like the card is bad. Maybe it overheated or something.
The GeForce 8 Series is pretty affordable right now.

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Posted by: staticx576
Why don't you at least try a different video card because every one of your problems that you claim exist with all copies of H2V and all copies of vista arent true at all.


i will do that but before i do i will say this again. when i play halo 2 on xp i get perfect quality. when i play on vista i get crappy quality and bleeding background.

but i might have found the problem, i reinstalled vista and noticed something when i was looking at dxdiag. i noticed that the approx. memory for the display was greater then my card. i think vista is trying to overclock my video card and thats where i am having problems. since i do not overclock. i need to figure out how to clock it at the right speed so it does not kill my video card.


You are a 'tard. Vista cannot overclock your video card. It can't overclock any of your components. It's running at stock. Ever heard of the nVidia Control Panel?

Also most nVidia cards will show twice the available memory because they share system memory to a certain degree.

Posted by: Tachikoma
so now i am a asshat, hmm this is starting to get a little stupid. as for you i know my system does not suck. i bet my system is far more better then what you have. so for calling me a asshat i shall say this (Beowul7) i am a microsoft beta tester ever since windows codename whistler. windows vista is trash that needs to be taken out to be picked up and taken to the dump.. i will trash talk vista as long as i want you fanboy.


A Beta what? I guess Microsoft wanted to see if their products were idiot proof.

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=)) i am guessing you haven't read my last comment. i installed another video card and still got the same screwed up video as my normal card. my video card (7600) is brand new. so it is not my video card since i play halo 2 on it with windows xp. so do not come in here thinking you know everything without reading the entire thread.

  • 08.18.2007 9:03 AM PDT

have you submitted this problem with microsoft? they would probably help.

  • 08.18.2007 9:12 AM PDT
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yes and they said they will work on it.

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here are 2 screenshots of dxdiag in xo and vista.

Dxdiag on xp core temp 45 F*

Dxdiag on vista core temp 112 F*

  • 08.18.2007 11:03 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

By the way, Vista video drivers =/= XP video drivers. Just because the XP drivers worked, doesn't mean the Vista ones are defective or something.

It's not the OS. We've covered that.
It could be the video card, you never tried another one to make sure.
It might be RAM. Try changing sticks up to see if that's the problem.
It wouldn't be the CPU.


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You said you updated your GFX Drivers in Vista right? So why did I just see in those screens that you gave that you've got OLD drivers??
Besides, that not how you post a dxdiag, read the stickies...

  • 08.18.2007 11:22 AM PDT
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The card is bad. There's nothing else to it. Vista is not overclocking your card. Your card is artifacting, which means it has bad ram. You're going to have to RMA it.

  • 08.18.2007 12:20 PM PDT

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Perhaps if I wanted to call it what it really is, then I'd use DirectX API, but, if I wanted to sound like a moron, then I'd just say DirectX and let others try to decipher what part of it I was talking about.

The contradictory part that you mention earlier, if you look at a programming instruction set for a DirectX 10 class rendering device, such as an nVidia 8800GTX, you can that the Vertex Shader, works in tangent with a Geo shader, and then pixel shader after they've been sent instructions by the GPU. I can see why you'd be confused, you must've been working with DirectX 9 or 8 for so long, and after all, DirectX 10 is a rather large leap ahead of those two.

Oh and by the way, I see you finally have said that the map geometry corruption is what is appearing on the screen. I never said that it wasn't an overheating video card, but it still doesn't make sense, unless he is playing on two different PCs, as to why his Vista version, is 'messed up'.

Posted by: staticx576
Exactly you havent explained anything in terms of the problem and you posted information that I already know. I know exactly what a normal map does(maybe not the math behind it), but I know it's function. I also know what a vertex shader is before you "told me."

Your use of big words is also wholly unimpressive, Directx API, as if you needed to add API to sound important. George Carlin said this best: "
People add extra words when they want things to sound more important than they really are." In any case you contradict yourself very bad right here:
darthbob posted:
A 'vertex shader' provides the Graphics Processing Unit with instructions on color and location that are then used to render a Geometry Shader.

Funny the vertex shader provides information on how to render the scene and it then produces a geometry shader? Makes no sense. You also seem to think that a vertex shader provides the GPU with data, guess what, a vertex shader IS the GPU(or at least part of it).

Maybe I wasn't clear on my wording but the vertex shader is ultimately responsible for where a vertex ends up. If he can play on XP with perfect map geometry you can GUESS that the map files arent messed up coming off the disc. Therefor you can also guess that something is messing up the geometry. Something is rendering the geometry wrong.

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Posted by: vincent5
By the way, Vista video drivers =/= XP video drivers. Just because the XP drivers worked, doesn't mean the Vista ones are defective or something.

It's not the OS. We've covered that.
It could be the video card, you never tried another one to make sure.
It might be RAM. Try changing sticks up to see if that's the problem.
It wouldn't be the CPU.





another person who has not read the whole thread. i clearly stated i installed another video card and yet i still had the same problem. so it is not my video card that is doing this nor is it bad. vista has been giving many people trouble so yeah do not rule out vista in the problem.

Posted by: snowysnowcones
The card is bad. There's nothing else to it. Vista is not overclocking your card. Your card is artifacting, which means it has bad ram. You're going to have to RMA it.


you need to read more before saying something like that. my video card is fine and i love it. another thing is if the card is bad then why is it only acting up in vista and not xp?? i have tons of games in vista and yet my video card acts fine with no glitches of defects? so i guess the card isn't bad if it was i wouldn't be able to play nothing. plus the card stays around 45*F, in vista it runs about 112*F. that has to sy something.

Posted by: Caboose OMalley
You said you updated your GFX Drivers in Vista right? So why did I just see in those screens that you gave that you've got OLD drivers??
Besides, that not how you post a dxdiag, read the stickies...


i have installed new and old drivers under vista so it is not the drivers unless they are all corrupted straight from nvidia.

darthbob:

all i am saying when i am in vista my video card starts to overheat, when i had my other video card installed it would overheat so fast that it would freeze windows vista and i would have to restart the computer.


all i am trying to say is vista might not be all that is it. no i am not bagging on vista it is just since i am many others are having problems with different things. and remember vista does have it's incompatibility problems too. i am just here to get help and not to get hated on because vista is acting retarded. the only thing that is not vista ready is my sound card which is a sound blaster audigy platinum ex. i mean damn i deisigned my computer to run 3 different operating systems linux, mac and windows. and again here are my specs:

80GB WD HDD Windows XP Pro
30GB WD HDD Vista ultimate
160GB WD HDD
CPU 1 Intel P4 3.0 Ghz HT
CPU 2 Intel P4 3.0 Ghz HT
2GB Kingston Memory
ASUS P4S800D-X
nVidia Geforce 7600 GS 512MB DDR2 HDTV Ready
Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX
ROSEWELL 550 WATT PSU
Lite-On 16X DVD-Burner
3 120MM Fans

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I could also point out that many audio problems might cause graphical errors too... Sometimes only graphical errors... So it can be really hard to to tell often what could be causing issues:
In XP it worked great because everything else worked great too in your computer...
In Vista your graphics started to act weird because your sound card wasn't behaving properly and there fore it pulled everything else in your computer with it down the pit.

But just to be sure, try the -nosound parameter in the Halo 2 shortcut and then Halo 2.

EDIT***
did you try these drivers?
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1598

[Edited on 08.18.2007 1:54 PM PDT]

  • 08.18.2007 1:51 PM PDT
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the sound works good in vista but one driver could not be installed due to vista not supporting it.

  • 08.18.2007 2:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tachikoma
all i am trying to say is vista might not be all that is it. no i am not bagging on vista it is just since i am many others are having problems with different things. and remember vista does have it's incompatibility problems too. i am just here to get help and not to get hated on because vista is acting retarded. the only thing that is not vista ready is my sound card which is a sound blaster audigy platinum ex. i mean damn i deisigned my computer to run 3 different operating systems linux, mac and windows. and again here are my specs:

80GB WD HDD Windows XP Pro
30GB WD HDD Vista ultimate
160GB WD HDD
CPU 1 Intel P4 3.0 Ghz HT
CPU 2 Intel P4 3.0 Ghz HT
2GB Kingston Memory
ASUS P4S800D-X
nVidia Geforce 7600 GS 512MB DDR2 HDTV Ready
Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX
ROSEWELL 550 WATT PSU
Lite-On 16X DVD-Burner
3 120MM Fans
And just why, may I ask why the hell you gave Vista only 30 GB's?

  • 08.18.2007 4:34 PM PDT
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because i do not use vista as a normal os, that is why i gave vista a 30 gb hdd.

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Posted by: Tachikoma
Posted by: vincent5
By the way, Vista video drivers =/= XP video drivers. Just because the XP drivers worked, doesn't mean the Vista ones are defective or something.

It's not the OS. We've covered that.
It could be the video card, you never tried another one to make sure.
It might be RAM. Try changing sticks up to see if that's the problem.
It wouldn't be the CPU.





another person who has not read the whole thread. i clearly stated i installed another video card and yet i still had the same problem. so it is not my video card that is doing this nor is it bad. vista has been giving many people trouble so yeah do not rule out vista in the problem.

Posted by: snowysnowcones
The card is bad. There's nothing else to it. Vista is not overclocking your card. Your card is artifacting, which means it has bad ram. You're going to have to RMA it.


you need to read more before saying something like that. my video card is fine and i love it. another thing is if the card is bad then why is it only acting up in vista and not xp?? i have tons of games in vista and yet my video card acts fine with no glitches of defects? so i guess the card isn't bad if it was i wouldn't be able to play nothing. plus the card stays around 45*F, in vista it runs about 112*F. that has to sy something.





How does your Graphics card run at 45*F, is your house freezing cold, or is that in Celsius, where your Graphics card can boil water when in Vista?

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my computer stays cold when running due to the fans. plus i keep an external fan blowing out the heat from the case. and kinda yes when it is in vista. i can touch it and burn myself on the heatsink.

  • 08.18.2007 9:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tachikoma
my computer stays cold when running due to the fans. plus i keep an external fan blowing out the heat from the case. and kinda yes when it is in vista. i can touch it and burn myself on the heatsink.
Replace your fan, and clean the whole PC through and fro. I open up and clean mine every 6 months. When you turn it on, get your Processor running at 64 bit. just for the kicks. Maybe it'll do the job. Does for me, with a GeForce 6800 XFX.

  • 08.18.2007 9:58 PM PDT

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You might need

1. New CPU
2. New G Card

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Posted by: Tachikoma
my computer stays cold when running due to the fans. plus i keep an external fan blowing out the heat from the case. and kinda yes when it is in vista. i can touch it and burn myself on the heatsink.
Replace your fan, and clean the whole PC through and fro. I open up and clean mine every 6 months. When you turn it on, get your Processor running at 64 bit. just for the kicks. Maybe it'll do the job. Does for me, with a GeForce 6800 XFX.
Iclean mine every month. Really dusty.

Go get some pics of temps or I will not believe that your computer is epicly cool

Pics or stfu

  • 08.19.2007 12:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: darthbob
Perhaps if I wanted to call it what it really is, then I'd use DirectX API, but, if I wanted to sound like a moron, then I'd just say DirectX and let others try to decipher what part of it I was talking about.

As if directx is something other than an API. "Hey look at that graphics API API" Do you get it now?

Posted by: darthbob
The contradictory part that you mention earlier, if you look at a programming instruction set for a DirectX 10 class rendering device, such as an nVidia 8800GTX, you can that the Vertex Shader, works in tangentwith a Geo shader, and then pixel shader after they've been sent instructions by the GPU. I can see why you'd be confused, you must've been working with DirectX 9 or 8 for so long, and after all, DirectX 10 is a rather large leap ahead of those two.

Think long and hard about why I highlighted tangent and you might understand how inane it sounds lol.
I was really interested about dx10 and what enlightening comments you had about it how the vertex and geometry shaders work in TANDEM but then I realized that neither his 7600 gs or halo 2vista supports dx10 class instructions. As I said before you are just rambling on with big words trying to sound intelligent.

Posted by: darthbob
Oh and by the way, I see you finally have said that the map geometry corruption is what is appearing on the screen. I never said that it wasn't an overheating video card, but it still doesn't make sense, unless he is playing on two different PCs, as to why his Vista version, is 'messed up'.

Of course messed up level geometry is what is happening on screen! I never said otherwise but guess what is responsible for level geometry whether it be creation, modification or just displaying it would be the vertex shaders. kthx

GOOD DAY SIR

  • 08.19.2007 1:34 AM PDT