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how do we get Bungie to address important issues? Like the podcast or letters to the webmaster, they always bring up issues that we want to hear about or like, but thwere are some other things we would like them to tell us about but they dont bring it up. How can we ask them to address something in maybe a weekly update or the 2 things i listed before?

  • 08.16.2007 1:53 PM PDT

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PM Sketch or Frankie maybe and ask them to talk about it in the next podcast maybe.

  • 08.16.2007 1:59 PM PDT

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  • 08.16.2007 2:07 PM PDT
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i just want them to answer a few questions about Clanmatch, Big Team Battle, and Leaderboards for Halo3. They will prob just give a yes or no answer but they should actually look into the issues and see the positive side of them

o btw, can you check that email, are you sure its .Com, not .Net? thanks

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so do the mods take our questions and submit them to bungie or what?: because i would like them to atleast discuss the possibility of Leaderboards for halo3 and Clanmatch

  • 08.17.2007 4:51 PM PDT

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Bungie email addresses are .com, not .net. Yeah, I know. Don't think about it too hard..

Although its offtopic for this forum - no, there is no Clanmatch in Halo 3, and it isn't ever coming back to Halo 2. And there will be no global leaderboards for Halo 3 like there were for Halo 2 ranked play a while ago. There may be other types of leaderboards though, but they will be more interesting than "the top 1000" players in a playlist. Or there may not. Bungie.net will be quite interesting come September 25th.

  • 08.17.2007 5:52 PM PDT
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  • 08.17.2007 6:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Bungie email addresses are .com, not .net. Yeah, I know. Don't think about it too hard..

Although its offtopic for this forum - no, there is no Clanmatch in Halo 3, and it isn't ever coming back to Halo 2. And there will be no global leaderboards for Halo 3 like there were for Halo 2 ranked play a while ago. There may be other types of leaderboards though, but they will be more interesting than "the top 1000" players in a playlist. Or there may not. Bungie.net will be quite interesting come September 25th.


well, i know Clanmatch in h2 is dead, but i think it would be great in Halo3. HYonestly, i dont see why you guys wouldnt put it back in for h3, i didnt see any serious problems with Clanmatch, any problems it had was the same as any other playlist. For the Leaderboards, how come Bungie doesnt want us to see who are at the top of the playlists? Im just wondering, not trying to be a smart a** but i dont get what "other" leaderboards would be for....campaign?

  • 08.18.2007 4:32 AM PDT

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Bungie email addresses are .com, not .net. Yeah, I know. Don't think about it too hard..

Although its offtopic for this forum - no, there is no Clanmatch in Halo 3, and it isn't ever coming back to Halo 2. And there will be no global leaderboards for Halo 3 like there were for Halo 2 ranked play a while ago. There may be other types of leaderboards though, but they will be more interesting than "the top 1000" players in a playlist. Or there may not. Bungie.net will be quite interesting come September 25th.


well, i know Clanmatch in h2 is dead, but i think it would be great in Halo3. HYonestly, i dont see why you guys wouldnt put it back in for h3, i didnt see any serious problems with Clanmatch, any problems it had was the same as any other playlist. For the Leaderboards, how come Bungie doesnt want us to see who are at the top of the playlists? Im just wondering, not trying to be a smart a** but i dont get what "other" leaderboards would be for....campaign?

Clanmatch was broken a clan of level 30s could be fighting level 10s. Few people played it which made the wait for a game very long. As for the leaderboards if they had them again you would see idiots on XBL and b.net yelling that they are better then everyone else because they are in the top 500 for team slayer or something.

  • 08.18.2007 5:55 AM PDT
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Clanmatch was broken a clan of level 30s could be fighting level 10s. Few people played it which made the wait for a game very long. As for the leaderboards if they had them again you would see idiots on XBL and b.net yelling that they are better then everyone else because they are in the top 500 for team slayer or something.


Clanmatch was not broken. I played it all the time, what are you talking about? When my clan made it up past 25 or so we could find matches,not as easily as level 3 but we still found games. Never once, at level 30, did we play a level 10 clan. But hey, if theres 2 teams searching, 1 is 30, the other is 10, let them match, if the players want games so bad, let them have em. But you cant punish the skilled players because there are people who dont know how to snipe. If the level 10's are scared to match good kids, they shouldnt play halo2, or they should just stick to Team Training. If im a level 25 clan and match a legit level 38 clan, im not going to start crying and be like "WTF, damn bungie! OMGZORZ WTF!" i would just play the game, if you lose, dont search again its your choice, Bungie isnt taking you out of your bed, signing you onto Halo, and saying, ok now, against your will you and your level 14 clan will play GTy in Major Clanmatch, have fun. You have the ultimate decision to play or not. But the waits werent bad, if we were searching and anyone joined our boxes we knew it was time to wake up because you have a game, we would sit in boxes for hours at the high levels because every game was worth the wait, even if we tied.

Hey man, if people need to brag about being top 500 or top 1000, they arent that good anyway. Because any legit top10 players will not talk smack because Bungie.net does it for them. By bragging, you are pointing out the fact you have accomplished something, if you are on top5 on bungie.net, that alone points out the fact you have accomplished something. But who cares if the kid who's #897 in Team Slayer starts talking smack, just ignore him. Leaderboards should be put up to benefit the talented gamers who actually play this game legitly. Also, the LB were fun on their own. Checking yup to see who's about to pass you, or how many points you are away from your own teamate, its fun. It helps make the game competitive and more exciting.



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Posted by: Krypton3
Clanmatch was broken a clan of level 30s could be fighting level 10s. Few people played it which made the wait for a game very long. As for the leaderboards if they had them again you would see idiots on XBL and b.net yelling that they are better then everyone else because they are in the top 500 for team slayer or something.


Clanmatch was not broken. I played it all the time, what are you talking about? When my clan made it up past 25 or so we could find matches,not as easily as level 3 but we still found games. Never once, at level 30, did we play a level 10 clan. But hey, if theres 2 teams searching, 1 is 30, the other is 10, let them match, if the players want games so bad, let them have em. But you cant punish the skilled players because there are people who dont know how to snipe. If the level 10's are scared to match good kids, they shouldnt play halo2, or they should just stick to Team Training. If im a level 25 clan and match a legit level 38 clan, im not going to start crying and be like "WTF, damn bungie! OMGZORZ WTF!" i would just play the game, if you lose, dont search again its your choice, Bungie isnt taking you out of your bed, signing you onto Halo, and saying, ok now, against your will you and your level 14 clan will play GTy in Major Clanmatch, have fun. You have the ultimate decision to play or not. But the waits werent bad, if we were searching and anyone joined our boxes we knew it was time to wake up because you have a game, we would sit in boxes for hours at the high levels because every game was worth the wait, even if we tied.

Krypton, sorry for this next rude bit, I mean nothing buy it. But you are mistaken as to why Clan Match was taken out of Halo 2. In numerous updates, you will see that Clan Match was rarely played by the population that played Halo, which is why it was removed from matchmaking. Not to mention the 'clans' were just a secondary friends list.

  • 08.18.2007 8:28 AM PDT

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Krypton, sorry for this next rude bit, I mean nothing buy it. But you are mistaken as to why Clan Match was taken out of Halo 2. In numerous updates, you will see that Clan Match was rarely played by the population that played Halo, which is why it was removed from matchmaking.


True, no one played clanmatch. It was too easy for people to start new clans just to beat the crap out of lower leveled clans. I liked the idea of clanmatch, but the disparity in clan skill killed the playlist. Which was the #1 reason no one played it.


Not to mention the 'clans' were just a secondary friends list.


This was a good thing. I hope with the exit of clans in H3 Bungie or Xbox Live bumps up the number of allowable friends from 100 to at least 150 or 200. Extremely popular people like myself just can't manage all of our friends within a 100 person list.

  • 08.18.2007 12:00 PM PDT

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You're not looking very hard if you didn't see any problems with clans and Halo 2.

As for leaderboards, who is at the top is irrelevant information. What matters is how you are doing against your peers (i.e., your friend list... that's way more interesting).

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well, i know Clanmatch in h2 is dead, but i think it would be great in Halo3. HYonestly, i dont see why you guys wouldnt put it back in for h3, i didnt see any serious problems with Clanmatch, any problems it had was the same as any other playlist. For the Leaderboards, how come Bungie doesnt want us to see who are at the top of the playlists? Im just wondering, not trying to be a smart a** but i dont get what "other" leaderboards would be for....campaign?

  • 08.18.2007 5:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
You're not looking very hard if you didn't see any problems with clans and Halo 2.

As for leaderboards, who is at the top is irrelevant information. What matters is how you are doing against your peers (i.e., your friend list... that's way more interesting).

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well, i know Clanmatch in h2 is dead, but i think it would be great in Halo3. HYonestly, i dont see why you guys wouldnt put it back in for h3, i didnt see any serious problems with Clanmatch, any problems it had was the same as any other playlist. For the Leaderboards, how come Bungie doesnt want us to see who are at the top of the playlists? Im just wondering, not trying to be a smart a** but i dont get what "other" leaderboards would be for....campaign?

So your saying there WILL be friend leader boards (Just friends)? Cool.

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Don't 360 games have to have leaderboards or something? Its on the XBox Live thing, any XBL enabled game or XBLA game has to have leaderboards.

Bungie will probably just make them Meta game leaderboards though.

I think clans were great though, not for clan battles. For the extra 100 friends that you can invite to games, and ussually their more like you are.

  • 08.18.2007 5:35 PM PDT

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Don't 360 games have to have leaderboards or something? Its on the XBox Live thing, any XBL enabled game or XBLA game has to have leaderboards.

Bungie will probably just make them Meta game leaderboards though.

I think clans were great though, not for clan battles. For the extra 100 friends that you can invite to games, and ussually their more like you are.

You have friend leaderboards. All 360 games with point systems have that.

  • 08.18.2007 5:40 PM PDT

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I’ll agree with you that there are clans out there that desire a type of clanmatch playlist being brought back. But you must understand they can’t be reinstated into matchmaking because of the issues that arise from such a playlist.

Firstly, the population usage was declining, almost ending up as the least played playlist. Jeremiah tried concentrating Major and Minor clanmatch into one playlist, but that didn’t help. I remember that the few hardcore users who used these forums said that they would play clanmatch more and that everyone was playing it. Well, decisive to say, the usage kept declining, more and more users felt that the Clanmatch playlist wasn’t fair and that the ranking system really portraying a fancy number and not matching similar skilled players.

Lesser experienced players in clans would suffer terribly from higher ranking players in low ranked clans. The trend consists of; a group of high level players create a clan, bash inexperienced players, and reach a desired or high level. Then from becoming bored or at a level where they don't win games as much as they prefer, restart a new clan again, winning games against players lesser skilled than them. This prevented a lot of gamers from playing the clanmatch playlist mainly for this reason. As you can see, the rank system wasn’t doing its designated function, rendering it useless and the whole purpose of the playlist itself a mess. Clanmatch can’t work as a playlist because almost all matches are of unequal skill and very few people desire that sort of play.

Without a Clanmatch type playlist, why do you people think that clans are irrelevant in Halo 3? There’s nothing stopping you from organizing them yourself in custom games. For example, look at PC gamers, that’s the only method for them to play clan battles because they don’t have a matchmaking system set up. From the looks of it, organizing them on your own is a way better solution than a designated playlist because you can match up clans with similar skill levels than you and set your own rules.

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Clanmatch was not broken. I played it all the time, what are you talking about? When my clan made it up past 25 or so we could find matches,not as easily as level 3 but we still found games. Never once, at level 30, did we play a level 10 clan. But hey, if theres 2 teams searching, 1 is 30, the other is 10, let them match, if the players want games so bad, let them have em. But you cant punish the skilled players because there are people who dont know how to snipe. If the level 10's are scared to match good kids, they shouldnt play halo2, or they should just stick to Team Training. If im a level 25 clan and match a legit level 38 clan, im not going to start crying and be like "WTF, damn bungie! OMGZORZ WTF!" i would just play the game, if you lose, dont search again its your choice, Bungie isnt taking you out of your bed, signing you onto Halo, and saying, ok now, against your will you and your level 14 clan will play GTy in Major Clanmatch, have fun. You have the ultimate decision to play or not. But the waits werent bad, if we were searching and anyone joined our boxes we knew it was time to wake up because you have a game, we would sit in boxes for hours at the high levels because every game was worth the wait, even if we tied.

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Posted by: Achronos
You're not looking very hard if you didn't see any problems with clans and Halo 2.

As for leaderboards, who is at the top is irrelevant information. What matters is how you are doing against your peers (i.e., your friend list... that's way more interesting).


The problems that i heard kids(only kids on these forums) complaining about was Cheaters, High skilled clans matching low skilled clans, length to find a match and population problems. 1) Cheaters are in every single playlist, get over it, stop associating Clanmatch(including Majors and minors) with cheaters, TS is the most cheated playlist so start crying about Slayer. 2) If you suck, you suck, we cant change that. Who cares if good teams go in and face bad teams. It keesp the Clanmatch usage % rolling so hey, if you suck and cant take getting your a** handed to you a few times, go play GoW or Team Training(but watch out tho, i hear those elites in TT can be vicious) 3) It didnt take long to find games. My clans were, for the most part, always pretty high and it didnt take long to find games. Early on it did because not many clans advance as quickly as others but the wait is no longer than waiting for a TS game at a high level too. 4) if the population was dwindling how is that Clanmatch's fault? If people stop playing, they stop playing, could be for any reason. But if the playlist is still active, just not as active as the other playlists, i would still keep it. If it keeps the fans happy, why not? Because there are so many peoplw ho want the Clanmatch for Halo3 simply because it was a great playlist(got to be ranked as a TEAM against other TEAMS), many people want the playlist back just becausethey have never been able to appreciate the playlist. You have tons of new players who would('ve) like(d) to be able to play a clan playlist but didnt start playing h2 until it was too late. IMO, the only problems that Brungie would need to fix for Clanmatch to be fully functional, is maybe a setting to allow only certain players to be able to play Clanmatch, maybe an "On/Off" setting so clans cannot be deranked, causing most clans to create the same clan over and cause the problem where the good kids play the bad teams. Also, i think maybe a setting so that say from level 1-30, you cannot play certain clans over and over again or a certain amount of times in a row, to avoid boosting. That doesnt seem too hard does it? even if those 2 things cannot be done, i still think the playlist would be functional. But hopefully Bungie could implement the playlist before its too late, i mean before the first wave of people start quitting. If Bungie had Major Clanmatch and Minor Clanmatch out on September 25th, it might take a while (so teams can practice and make strats for the new maps and gametypes) but the 2 playlist would flourish, probably be in the top most played playlists.

Also, for the Leaderboards, who's opinion was it that its better to see your stats against your friends? you could do that on Bungie.net already. I liked the Leaderboards because it added competition to the game and made it more intense and fun. I made examples in my earlier posts about how fun it was competing against your own teamates or against rival clans to see who could be higher than the other. seeing how many times you've killed your friend "CrazyBob98676435" is not very fun. Searching Big Team Battle, against another team and matching them every once in a while, trying to get higher levels, is fun, it brings more intensity to the game.

But even if Bungie says "Screw Cr3asy Kong, NO Clanmatches or Leaderboards", i still think clans should be in h3. They serve as friends list(w/o Clanmatch) but they also help give credit to your team. So when people see someone, they can see who is on their team and so on. I dont know, maybe the guys at bungie never really looked thru the Lb, but i did, and it was fun looking at the stats from the top 10 or so clans, seeing who wa son each team, seeing which players were consistent, and then seeing those same players on their respected playlist leaderboards. It was like tracking you favorite baseball or football team's stats, except if you were n XiT Woundz fan, you looked at their games and saw how they played, or if you were a GTy fan, you could see who was in the clan, what other BTB teams they got to play, who else is on the LB so you could learn about new teams that were top 10, but were still good. it was fun

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I’ll agree with you that there are clans out there that desire a type of clanmatch playlist being brought back. But you must understand they can’t be reinstated into matchmaking because of the issues that arise from such a playlist.

Firstly, the population usage was declining, almost ending up as the least played playlist. Jeremiah tried concentrating Major and Minor clanmatch into one playlist, but that didn’t help. I remember that the few hardcore users who used these forums said that they would play clanmatch more and that everyone was playing it. Well, decisive to say, the usage kept declining, more and more users felt that the Clanmatch playlist wasn’t fair and that the ranking system really portraying a fancy number and not matching similar skilled players.

Lesser experienced players in clans would suffer terribly from higher ranking players in low ranked clans. The trend consists of; a group of high level players create a clan, bash inexperienced players, and reach a desired or high level. Then from becoming bored or at a level where they don't win games as much as they prefer, restart a new clan again, winning games against players lesser skilled than them. This prevented a lot of gamers from playing the clanmatch playlist mainly for this reason. As you can see, the rank system wasn’t doing its designated function, rendering it useless and the whole purpose of the playlist itself a mess. Clanmatch can’t work as a playlist because almost all matches are of unequal skill and very few people desire that sort of play.

Without a Clanmatch type playlist, why do you people think that clans are irrelevant in Halo 3? There’s nothing stopping you from organizing them yourself in custom games. For example, look at PC gamers, that’s the only method for them to play clan battles because they don’t have a matchmaking system set up. From the looks of it, organizing them on your own is a way better solution than a designated playlist because you can match up clans with similar skill levels than you and set your own rules.


how many times do we have to say this, IF YOU ARE A LOW RANKED CLAN AND DONT WANT TO GET DUMPED ON EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, DONT PLAY! I hate Double Team, mainly ebcause i like to play MM by myself unless i care about that specific rank. So i dont like DT because i always get some random turn who runs around with dual weiled plasma pistols, so i dont play DT. I dont like playing TS at the higher ranks by myself because random teamates suck, and i dont feel like having a to4 dump on me because of bad teamates, therefore i dont play TS at a high level without a party. Same goes with Team Skirmish and BTB. So its that easy, why cant the Clanmatch kids accept that?If you clan isnt too skilled, if you more scared about losing, than actually comepting, then dont play

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This isn't the playlist discussion forum...you already got the answer you were looking for.

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Actually if you really want to get technical, no, i did not get the original answer i was looking for. achronos helped me out a bit but that only causes more questions. i am looking to help improve the Halo-playing experience, you are trying to be a forum mod. you are not a forum mod, and will never be a ninja, i on the other hand can still talk with Achronos to see why his views differ from the "Pro-Clanmatch" players and members. there still is a chance for me, as for you, maybe you could marry Frankie and become a forum mod, who knows

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Well what answer are you looking for? Achronos addressed your issue isn't that what you wanted?

I'm not a forum mod, I just find your "we're terrible at halo so we shouldn't play clanmatch" argument annoying and crass.

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like i said, if you really want to get technical, my question had nothing to do with my opinion on clanmatch or the leaderboards, i asked how to get Bungie to address things. Achronos stepped in and addressed some things in the topic, but that did not solve anything. He gave me some lovely info, therefore creating more concerns and questions.

My "annoyance and crass" is called common sense. There is no way to 100% fairly stop people from making clans and playing at the lower levels until; they get higher, atleast not 100% fair to both sides. so the only logical solution would need to be done by the players themselves. Hmmmm should i go in Major Clanmatch if i am scared of matching a clan that is 4-6 levels higher than me? if i am i should play. simple

  • 08.19.2007 1:16 PM PDT

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