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Subject: Why the SMG does not suck.

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WTF are you smoking? The SMG is the worst spawning weapon ever created in an ONLINE game. It sucks with its terrible recoil, and innaccuracy, lack of range, and it is VERY weak. The SMG is only somewhat decent when you have two of them, but then you can't throw gernades, a HUGE disadvantage. But seeing as you say you can kill numerous people with SMGs, you must play against terrible people. The SMG is only powerful WITH HOST. With that said, there is no perfect spawning weapon in Halo 2, but the SMG is one of the WORST.

  • 08.17.2007 10:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Concordance
If I was the guy using the BR in that circle strafe situation, I'd either anticipate your movement for a sticky or go up for a BXR.

But either way, don't stand still and let them circle strafe you. Standing still = death


When facing a guy with a br up close I try to back off ort jump around so that he can't bxr me. Jumping around messes with those who use auto aim for headshots and it can really make the opponent mad when he can't.

  • 08.17.2007 10:34 AM PDT

You splattered a dumb cat

First off, I agree that the SMG is a great weapon in the right hands and the right situation. But...

Have you guys every seen the spread of fire for the SMG? Do this experiment yourself:

1. start a custom game and find an SMG (if you don't spawn with one).
2. Find a relatively mid-height ceiling (I like the platform in Zanzibar above the shotgun spawn, but a little closer to the giant windmill)
3. Look straight up and fire away! (this factors out any human error with the weapon walking up)

If you waste your entire clip with continuous fire, the spread pattern is a "Hollow Circle."
If you waste your entire clip with burst shots, the spread will be EXACTLY the same. The spread has the same consistency and pattern.

All I'm trying to say is that burst fire bears no advantage, except for the fact that the weapon "walks" up.

Since most above-average players subconsciously auto-correct for this, it is not much of a factor, and creates no advantage.

Just a little Halo-verse science for ya! :-)

--dumb cat

P.S. If I wasn't at work, I would screen-cap and show you. Maybe later today...

  • 08.17.2007 12:06 PM PDT
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The problem with the SMG is that it doesn't stand up to the other weapons. The moment you spawn you're rushing to get a better weapon before someone that has a better weapon finds you.

No matter what anyone says, it's not good at mid range, it just isn't. It's only good when you use it through dual wielding with another weapon, a plasma rifle for example.

  • 08.17.2007 12:10 PM PDT
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I'm in favor of this guy. He's right. SMG can kick the can through the wall. I hated it for 2 years. I've come to like that machine.

  • 08.17.2007 1:32 PM PDT
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Iv destroyed so many people who use dual/single smgs, with a BR, all i do is back up, and half the time they run straight at you so all you need to do is pull R 4 times.Although i do use smg sometimes in close combat becuase you can shoot someone with 10 bullets meele them and they die, overall smg suck0rz though.

  • 08.17.2007 1:52 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: JT Legacy
Iv destroyed so many people who use dual/single smgs, with a BR, all i do is back up, and half the time they run straight at you so all you need to do is pull R 4 times.Although i do use smg sometimes in close combat becuase you can shoot someone with 10 bullets meele them and they die, overall smg suck0rz though.



....or just BxR/BxB and initiate tea-bagging.

  • 08.17.2007 1:55 PM PDT
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I'm right there with you. Most people that complain about the SMG, just don't know how to use it properly. Bungie said in a Vidoc, god knows when, that most people just hold down the button and aim. And that won't get you anything, unless you're lucky and the other guy is either just as bad, or has a better weapon (BR, Carbine, etc...). You need to pump it, as mid range. You will have AMAZING results. Going from a "spray and pray" to an actually plan of pulsing your weapon. The BR is a fun weapon and great for long range, that's why I pick one up whenever I get the chance, and I'm going for long range kills. But if I don't get one, I know how to protect myself, and get kills. Lots of them, with the SMG or duel SMG's (which is great. I recommend those and pulsing in mid-range battles.)

My two cents. I've been saying this for a little over a year now, I'm glad somebody agrees with me.

  • 08.17.2007 2:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: KEVINBROCK

....or just BxR/BxB and initiate tea-bagging.


Cheating can be fun. /sarcasm

  • 08.17.2007 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Posted by: KEVINBROCK

....or just BxR/BxB and initiate tea-bagging.


Cheating can be fun. /sarcasm


Its a blast. its almost as much fun as hearing kids whine about it.

  • 08.17.2007 2:50 PM PDT
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SMG pwns BR

  • 08.17.2007 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Posted by: KEVINBROCK

....or just BxR/BxB and initiate tea-bagging.


Cheating can be fun. /sarcasm


Its a blast. its almost as much fun as hearing kids whine about it.


I guess I'll never know that joy. Also, I'll feel awesome after I win a match by not cheating, and be able to show off my skills without resorting to stupid button combos or anything of the sort.

  • 08.17.2007 2:55 PM PDT
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When facing a guy with a br up close I try to back off ort jump around so that he can't bxr me. Jumping around messes with those who use auto aim for headshots and it can really make the opponent mad when he can't.

But you had to back up so he can't BXR, and at further ranges, the SMG isn't that great. Back up with the BR and take 4 or 5 quick shots. Don't rely on auto-aim.

  • 08.17.2007 3:24 PM PDT
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It's not bad, it's just not good either. It's a middle tier weapon, just like the needler is bottom/lower tier and the br is upper tier, making it an ecellent starting weapon. I prefer br starts, but I have to admit this is probably the most balanced starting weapon.

  • 08.17.2007 3:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: SanitysEclips3
It's not bad, it's just not good either. It's a middle tier weapon, just like the needler is bottom/lower tier and the br is upper tier, making it an ecellent starting weapon. I prefer br starts, but I have to admit this is probably the most balanced starting weapon.


Oh, come on, don't get me going on the needler. The duel needler is one the of the best weapons, if used right. If someone is rushing you, or standing still (sniping) it is AMAZING!

  • 08.17.2007 4:02 PM PDT

Your balls are showing...bumblebee tuna

The SMG is no better than the Klob was in 007. An absolutely pointless weapon that people only pick up when the better weapons are nowhere to be found. If your so incredibly desperate beyond the SMG, we MIGHT pick up a Needler. SMG'S are BAD. BR'S are GOOD.

  • 08.17.2007 4:11 PM PDT

John 3:16

Posted by: El Guapo
Yes I know I'll be flamed for this, and flame all you want, but the SMG happens to be one of the best weapons in the game (not in H3).

Pros: High ROF, Dual Wieldable, large ammo clip, large ammo reserve, fair mid range accuracy, great short range accuracy

Cons: walks upwards, weak vs. br

I've killed more people in Halo 2 online with the SMG than any other weapon (and not just because I spawn with it, it's because I choose to keep it) I don't know how many times I've sprayed someone with bullets from 2 SMG's, then meleed them for a very quick kill.

And, I know I'll be flamed for this, too, but the BR is a terrible starting weapon. It just makes everyone hang back and shoot at the people running across the map looking for a funner weapon, the people who are actually trying to have fun, not just get kills.


Unfortunately, the pros aren't enough to support the idea that it's a good weapon.
The Halo 3 SMG is a good weapon. But in Halo 2, it's ineffective in most cases. heck, even in it's own rang, people with equal skill or greater can counter it easily.

Perhaps, it's better at LAN, but definitely not good enough for live.

As for the BR start, you have no idea what your talking about. Its not fun to fight against power weapons with an SMG, such as the sniper. And it's definitely not fun to get owned by weapons that have longer range.

have yo uplayed team hardcore? It's difficult, much more than the games with the SMG start. In fact, it's challenging. SMG starts jsut make weapon holding easier for the people who spawn closest to it.

By no means is the SMG a weapon that can't kill, it's just a weapon that can't support and sustain strategies well enough. In fact, it makes the game easier for the weapon whores.

As I've asked already, have you played Team Hardcore? It's not even about sitting back. With the SMG, you have to sit back MORE because there are weapons with far MORE potential.

Your oppinion is biased to the idea that the SMG is a fun weapon. That's up to you, but unlike me, my claim has rational and legitimate support. The SMG is one of my favorite weapons, it's just so ineffective I just rather use a carbine or a shotgun.Before the update, I'd definitely pick a dual wield up. But dual wielding alltogether puts the player in a disadvantage 6 times out of 10, which is a lot.


I'm right there with you. Most people that complain about the SMG, just don't know how to use it properly. Bungie said in a Vidoc, god knows when, that most people just hold down the button and aim. And that won't get you anything, unless you're lucky and the other guy is either just as bad, or has a better weapon (BR, Carbine, etc...). You need to pump it, as mid range. You will have AMAZING results. Going from a "spray and pray" to an actually plan of pulsing your weapon. The BR is a fun weapon and great for long range, that's why I pick one up whenever I get the chance, and I'm going for long range kills. But if I don't get one, I know how to protect myself, and get kills. Lots of them, with the SMG or duel SMG's (which is great. I recommend those and pulsing in mid-range battles.)

My two cents. I've been saying this for a little over a year now, I'm glad somebody agrees with me.


It works, but many people can do better with other weapons. A lot of times, even pulsing doesn't work well enough. It's easy to hide and run from. One, it doesn't kill fast enough past point blank range. Two, weapons like the shotgun, brute shot, and plasma rifle "with beatdown" can do the job faster. Three, you have to sacrifice cover just to get the kill 7 out of 10 times. For it's too easy to counter against that teamwork, in it's lowest potential, can easily counter it. Five, it's not often you can break a defensive setup with an SMG, or dual wield.

You can get lots of kills with it right, I can too. But that dosen't change the fact that players with the sniper, BR, sword, rocket, brute shot, plasma pistol, can easily manipulate the weakness of the SMG.

To make it short and sweet, the SMG's weaknesses are one of the easiest weakness to exploit. Even if it is used at it's maximum potential.

[Edited on 08.17.2007 4:44 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2007 4:34 PM PDT
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Lol, ya SMG can't hit anything not 5 feet in front of it. And the large clip is because it takes the whole clip just to kill someone,lol.

  • 08.17.2007 4:38 PM PDT
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i've just been sittin back here watchin this thread evolve since i posted n i have noticed a few things...

1) alot of ppl are challengin me to 1v1's in PM's where they have a BR start n i have a SMG. that dont make sense n whats that gonna prove anyway coz 1v1's dont prove anything...

and

2) almost(read almost) everyone that has dissagreed that the SMG isnt a good starting wepon has stated that the BR is a better coz u can just BXR BXB someone with a SMG. is it me or they just 1) admiting that they cheat n exploit a glitch that wasn't meant to b there(a bannable offence if u get enough feedback) and 2) admit/talk about BXR BXB in these's forums when u are not supposed to b....

why ruin a good topic n risk urself being banned just to prove ur oppinion. u realise (to those of you's that have ur gametag linked) that anyone that wanted to b an @ss could just keep leaving feedback on u now if they ever come up against u coz u have just admited here on the bungie forums of all places that u exploit a glitch....

[Edited on 08.17.2007 5:35 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2007 5:34 PM PDT

John 3:16

SMG is till in-effective in close ranges... it's so easy to 4 shot with such a huge aim-assist in the game. Even then, melee then followup headshot works jsut like BXR, without the glitching.

  • 08.17.2007 9:11 PM PDT

Jordan

I FLAME YOU

  • 08.17.2007 9:14 PM PDT

"Thoughts are the shadows of feelings; always darker, emptier, and simpler."

Starting with a dual weildable wep isn't Bungie's best move. Everyone rushes for the nearest SMG/PR to combo. The only time someone drops it is if it's for BR (to BxR), sword (to sword camp), sniper (nothing wrong with that), or rockets ([!censoered!] wep of 2007).

  • 08.17.2007 11:54 PM PDT