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Posted by: El Guapo
Yes I know I'll be flamed for this, and flame all you want, but the SMG happens to be one of the best weapons in the game (not in H3).
Pros: High ROF, Dual Wieldable, large ammo clip, large ammo reserve, fair mid range accuracy, great short range accuracy
Cons: walks upwards, weak vs. br
I've killed more people in Halo 2 online with the SMG than any other weapon (and not just because I spawn with it, it's because I choose to keep it) I don't know how many times I've sprayed someone with bullets from 2 SMG's, then meleed them for a very quick kill.
And, I know I'll be flamed for this, too, but the BR is a terrible starting weapon. It just makes everyone hang back and shoot at the people running across the map looking for a funner weapon, the people who are actually trying to have fun, not just get kills.
Unfortunately, the pros aren't enough to support the idea that it's a good weapon.
The Halo 3 SMG is a good weapon. But in Halo 2, it's ineffective in most cases. heck, even in it's own rang, people with equal skill or greater can counter it easily.
Perhaps, it's better at LAN, but definitely not good enough for live.
As for the BR start, you have no idea what your talking about. Its not fun to fight against power weapons with an SMG, such as the sniper. And it's definitely not fun to get owned by weapons that have longer range.
have yo uplayed team hardcore? It's difficult, much more than the games with the SMG start. In fact, it's challenging. SMG starts jsut make weapon holding easier for the people who spawn closest to it.
By no means is the SMG a weapon that can't kill, it's just a weapon that can't support and sustain strategies well enough. In fact, it makes the game easier for the weapon whores.
As I've asked already, have you played Team Hardcore? It's not even about sitting back. With the SMG, you have to sit back MORE because there are weapons with far MORE potential.
Your oppinion is biased to the idea that the SMG is a fun weapon. That's up to you, but unlike me, my claim has rational and legitimate support. The SMG is one of my favorite weapons, it's just so ineffective I just rather use a carbine or a shotgun.Before the update, I'd definitely pick a dual wield up. But dual wielding alltogether puts the player in a disadvantage 6 times out of 10, which is a lot.
I'm right there with you. Most people that complain about the SMG, just don't know how to use it properly. Bungie said in a Vidoc, god knows when, that most people just hold down the button and aim. And that won't get you anything, unless you're lucky and the other guy is either just as bad, or has a better weapon (BR, Carbine, etc...). You need to pump it, as mid range. You will have AMAZING results. Going from a "spray and pray" to an actually plan of pulsing your weapon. The BR is a fun weapon and great for long range, that's why I pick one up whenever I get the chance, and I'm going for long range kills. But if I don't get one, I know how to protect myself, and get kills. Lots of them, with the SMG or duel SMG's (which is great. I recommend those and pulsing in mid-range battles.)
My two cents. I've been saying this for a little over a year now, I'm glad somebody agrees with me.
It works, but many people can do better with other weapons. A lot of times, even pulsing doesn't work well enough. It's easy to hide and run from. One, it doesn't kill fast enough past point blank range. Two, weapons like the shotgun, brute shot, and plasma rifle "with beatdown" can do the job faster. Three, you have to sacrifice cover just to get the kill 7 out of 10 times. For it's too easy to counter against that teamwork, in it's lowest potential, can easily counter it. Five, it's not often you can break a defensive setup with an SMG, or dual wield.
You can get lots of kills with it right, I can too. But that dosen't change the fact that players with the sniper, BR, sword, rocket, brute shot, plasma pistol, can easily manipulate the weakness of the SMG.
To make it short and sweet, the SMG's weaknesses are one of the easiest weakness to exploit. Even if it is used at it's maximum potential.
[Edited on 08.17.2007 4:44 PM PDT]