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Subject: Why the SMG does not suck.
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Posted by: Trooper10
If you can use it right.

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  • 08.18.2007 9:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Posted by: Trooper10
If you can use it right.

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That means pulling the trigger.

  • 08.18.2007 9:26 AM PDT

Posted by: v BlindSide v
BR v. SMG who wins almost everytime?

the BR guy with the pole up his ass

  • 08.18.2007 9:57 AM PDT
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Rofl, that HeadGino or whatever guy is funny. srsly.

Guys, he's joking. He's going to quote me now and say he wasn't, but he was.

  • 08.18.2007 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Posted by: Trooper10
If you can use it right.

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Yes, because there is this whole realm of skill involving the SMG that most people haven't heard of.

  • 08.18.2007 10:26 AM PDT
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Battle Rifle is actually a more fair starting weapon because it can be used at most ranges, which is good, especially on larger maps. SMG isn't that good at medium and long ranges, it is a worthless starting weapon on Coagulation because you have no defense, snipers can easily take you out, even at medium range. And if you play CTF and get killed defending the flag, forget it, you might as well give them the flag capture. Don't get me wrong, I love the SMG, but it is not a better starting weapon than the BR.

[Edited on 08.18.2007 11:29 AM PDT]

  • 08.18.2007 11:27 AM PDT
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My SMG's are awsome startig weapons they usually shoot out rockets, gauss bullets, sniper bullets, phantom bullets, boxes, cars, soda machines, tires, clones, warthogs, ghosts, and one was a gravity gun before...... so the SMG DOSNT SUCK if your in my game =D

F.Y.I YES I DO MOD AND IM PROUD OF IT!!!! WOOT MODDING

  • 08.18.2007 11:33 AM PDT
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Well you've only played a little over 100 games (not implying anything cuz ive barely broken 300 lol). There will be very skilled players with the BR later on that you probably won't be able to get into short range combat with. It really just depends on the map.

  • 08.18.2007 12:05 PM PDT

One of my Halo 3 montages.

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....or just BxR/BxB and initiate tea-bagging.


Cheating can be fun. /sarcasm


Its a blast. its almost as much fun as hearing kids whine about it.


I guess I'll never know that joy. Also, I'll feel awesome after I win a match by not cheating, and be able to show off my skills without resorting to stupid button combos or anything of the sort.


agreed. i beat players all the time that button glitch and find cheats about the game to make them better. most of them suck without em.

  • 08.18.2007 12:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: v BlindSide v
BR v. SMG who wins almost everytime?


The BR is a pickup weapon, that's like saying "who wins Rockets or SMG?"

So, Halo 3..."Assault rifle vs BR? Isn't the BR going to win? It should. Because it's a pickup weapon and not a start.

[Edited on 08.18.2007 1:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.18.2007 1:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Posted by: Trooper10
If you can use it right.

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Yes, because there is this whole realm of skill involving the SMG that most people haven't heard of.


There is. It's called pulsing. If you pulse your shots you can be very effective midrange and beat most people who are also using the SMG. (Which happens alot, since it's the start weapon and all.

  • 08.18.2007 1:07 PM PDT
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Oh wow. That's a breakthrough. I was always wondering how people got so pro with the SMG.

Thanks for informing us with a strategy everyone has been employing since their first half hour of Halo 2. It's like compensating for the recoil, it's a basic skill we all mastered long ago, and that's the extent of the skill range involving the SMG. You lose.

  • 08.18.2007 1:10 PM PDT
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Then why do I destroy people at midrange in SMG fights with half my ammo left, and they wonder how?

  • 08.18.2007 1:12 PM PDT
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Because you're playing Team Training.

  • 08.18.2007 1:14 PM PDT
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OWNED!

oh wait, im not supposed to say it to myself am i? sorry im not that good at being a forum jerk off.

  • 08.18.2007 1:16 PM PDT
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Uh oh. I'm a jerkoff.

Sorry, you're just not bringing anything new to the table. Hell, it wasn't new after my anyone's first game who wasn't completely retarded. And that's where the skill range stops with the SMG. After a half hour. With the BR, it's not even nearly the case.

  • 08.18.2007 1:18 PM PDT
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and the skill range for the BR is what? headshots? whoa! no one figured that off either. and their is no other weapon even like the BR in halo either....oh wait, there are. so you just keep getting headshots, with the carbine, the BR, the pistol, the sniper, the other sniper. The SMG is the only weapon that you need to make an effort to pulse your shots, so more of your shots hit, and you don't waste your ammo and run out of bullets before the fight is over. It's not hard, but people that complain that it's and horrible weapon usually are the ones that spray and pray. instead of using some sort of skill.

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  • 08.18.2007 1:19 PM PDT
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And the headshots, are of course, automatic? Especially with someone of your understanding of the game right? Factors like strafing in and out behind wall cover, wall glitches, double shotting when appropriate (yes cheating in MM, I play customs with good people) aren't even factored in? The amazing strategy is HEADSHOTS. I don't even think that makes sense, given its context.

There is no skill above the basic skills we all mastered (well, some of us) within the first day of play when talking about the SMG. None at all. It is a horrible weapon ,but maybe you find you can take down players with better weapons by pulsing your cute little SMGs is because you are playing terrible people. When you get to a level of play where the snipers don't 4 shot you, you'll find the SMG is worthless.

  • 08.18.2007 1:25 PM PDT
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Alright, you win. You do nothing but attack me and my "playing style", which you have no idea about by the way. You think you are awesome, and everyone else who thinks different than you can tell you otherwise. I must be horrible. I pick up anything I can buddy, I pick up the BR, the sniper, and yes, I can kill (very well) with the needler. I was simply saying the SMG is NOT a horrible weapon. I see no difference in it or the Assault Rifle coming in Halo 3. Yes, head shots are a skill, duh, I'm simply pointing out (since you missed it) that the SMG has a different strategy all it's own, while the BR shares the same (boring) shooting style as many other guns in Halo 2. Although I am a horrible player and have no idea what I'm talking about. I must be horrible, because I have different views than you. Like how I think button combos and glitches that weren't meant to be in the game, there for making them not apart of it, are utter crap, and a cheap way to win. But, I'm sure that's just my horrible view point that makes be horrible talking again.

Congrats, you're awesome. You win at the Internet. LVL UP!

  • 08.18.2007 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Alright, you win. You do nothing but attack me and my "playing style", which you have no idea about by the way. You think you are awesome, and everyone else who thinks different than you can tell you otherwise.

Sure I do. I just think that, given the obvious difference between our preferences and playing levels that we can't and won't see eye to eye about things.

I must be horrible.
It's likely.

I was simply saying the SMG is NOT a horrible weapon. I see no difference in it or the Assault Rifle coming in Halo 3. Yes, head shots are a skill, duh, I'm simply pointing out (since you missed it) that the SMG has a different strategy all it's own, while the BR shares the same (boring) shooting style as many other guns in Halo 2.
Yes it does, and all those weapons require more skill than the SMG because more is needed than the basic skills to be able to kill someone, at least at a higher level of play where the players are actually competent. You may be able to get a running riot with SMGs and needlers, but try playing someone who is actually good and doing that.

Although I am a horrible player and have no idea what I'm talking about. I must be horrible, because I have different views than you. Like how I think button combos and glitches that weren't meant to be in the game, there for making them not apart of it, are utter crap, and a cheap way to win. But, I'm sure that's just my horrible view point that makes be horrible talking again.
No, you're horrible because of many reasons, least of all that you have a different view. It's mostly because you have a completely skewed view on what requires skill, or more of. If you think the SMG requires a range of skill, you must be flabbergasted when confronted with a Carbine, and you must have cried when you tried to use the Halo 1 pistol.

Congrats, you're awesome.

I know.

  • 08.18.2007 1:41 PM PDT

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I understand what you're talking about, the BR can be unwieldy in certain close-range situations, when the SMG would be better. Sure, the SMG sucks at any other than close-range, but duel wielded at close-range, the SMG has an extremely quick rate of fire which can be a formidable force to beat.

  • 08.18.2007 2:12 PM PDT

John 3:16

Posted by: XGetOverItEnorX
Alright, you win. You do nothing but attack me and my "playing style", which you have no idea about by the way. You think you are awesome, and everyone else who thinks different than you can tell you otherwise. I must be horrible. I pick up anything I can buddy, I pick up the BR, the sniper, and yes, I can kill (very well) with the needler. I was simply saying the SMG is NOT a horrible weapon. I see no difference in it or the Assault Rifle coming in Halo 3. Yes, head shots are a skill, duh, I'm simply pointing out (since you missed it) that the SMG has a different strategy all it's own, while the BR shares the same (boring) shooting style as many other guns in Halo 2. Although I am a horrible player and have no idea what I'm talking about. I must be horrible, because I have different views than you. Like how I think button combos and glitches that weren't meant to be in the game, there for making them not apart of it, are utter crap, and a cheap way to win. But, I'm sure that's just my horrible view point that makes be horrible talking again.

Congrats, you're awesome. You win at the Internet. LVL UP!


The SMG is a horrible weapon, under several obvious assumptions.

The same tactics used for the SMG can be used better with the BR, Shotgun, sword, or even rocket.
Furthermore, the same tactics used for SMG would be used better wtih a single wield Plasma rifle.

The function of the SMG is easily replaceable. The skill of using the SMG is not primarily dependent on accuracy and precision. in fact, those are the areas of with the least emphasis. In fact, the only skill that the SMG can reflect from the player is his/her ability to approach the person, get the kill, and survive. In other words, it's all about catching the enemy of guard. But all in all, other weapons easily overshadow it's function making the SMG one of the least valuable weapons in the game. Rarely to you call the SMG a weapon that "turns the tables." In fact, that was never the case in my situation. At least not yet.

Furthermore, it's only usefull if the gametype supports SMG starts. That's because others who ahven't picked up otehr weapons yet will be fighting in the same range as you. But once all the weapon whoring starts, "or if the starting weapon is different", the SMG is never the kind of weapon people want to hog. Why? Because it's still doesn't combat other weapons and the tactics they are capable of well enough to make the win.

That's why it's horrible, along with most dual wields.

  • 08.18.2007 5:44 PM PDT

Greatest of all time

"ZOMG! I died with rockets and spawned with a smg now they have rockets" <----- Main reason why most people hate it.

Also i am quoting someone on this, "if you kill someone then guess what......they.....spawn......with.....a.....SMG TO! OMG!"

  • 08.18.2007 8:56 PM PDT