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Subject: Why the SMG does not suck.
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Posted by: Mad1Mwuaha
Whisper, whisper, i shouldn't make a sound.
my bed is already made and it's in the ground

  • 08.23.2007 9:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: RL King
Battle Rifle is actually a more fair starting weapon because it can be used at most ranges, which is good, especially on larger maps. SMG isn't that good at medium and long ranges, it is a worthless starting weapon on Coagulation because you have no defense, snipers can easily take you out, even at medium range. And if you play CTF and get killed defending the flag, forget it, you might as well give them the flag capture. Don't get me wrong, I love the SMG, but it is not a better starting weapon than the BR.
You were almost right. On Coag, Containment , tombstone and the like (larger maps) a br start makes sense. People are spawning a mile away from each other and as such the majority of the battles take place at medium to long range. On desolation, beaver creek, lockout them majority of the battles are much closer and as such the br start is completely unnecessary. On desolation you can shoot all the way across the map with a br. You should not be able to hit every spot on the map with the starting weapon. It absolutely DESTROYS any idea of using another weapon. MAYBE you pick up the Rocket Launcher but basically you'll just us the BR until you die. Which could be soon if you spawn in the open because there are 4 people with BR's who can take you out at your spawn point.

On another note, the whole BR battle is starting to feel old to me. Every single fight is exactly the same. You have a BR, they have a BR. The first one to 4 shots wins. Since when was 4 shots a good thing?? I remember playing slayer on midship in the early days with a plasma pistol spawn. There were sticks, a real desire to pick up the BR so your team/you could have some range, battles for the sword (whether you wanted to whore it or hide it) it was all around fun. Now I play ctf classic BR or whatever in team hardcore (i dont play there much anymore) and its BR BR BR BR. The whole map is deadly, the battles take place across the map and why stick someone when they're only 4 shots from death. or one (ghae) bxr away.

Give me a weapon start that induces real battles over power weapons, that lets me take on somebody with a different weapon than mine, that isn't EXACTLY THE SAME because nobody has a reason to pick up anything else.

  • 08.23.2007 9:10 AM PDT
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I think its funny that this thread was a success even though the guy who started it was blacklisted! ha

  • 08.23.2007 9:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
You presented some decent arguements, but overall the SMG is a terrible weapon, I'm sorry to say.

I'm not flaming you (at all) by typing this, but the SMG can't shake a stick at the majority of the weapons in this game. People never realize this until they face an actual team of good players who all have BR's and the power weapons (and are set up) and you have a lowley pea shooter.

Granted, the BR is not the ideal starting weapon, but for a game like Halo 2, it's the best weapon this game has to offer (in terms of spawning with it.)

The SMG is a broken weapon, and makes for lackluster combat. But a lot of the higher level team slayer people know how to use it (or at least know how effective it can be in high level team slayer games.)

For the most part though, you're always going to either be dual wielding with it, or dropping it for a better weapon.

Ah, but you see, the major incorrect assumption that people make about the SMG is that it is not a medium range weapon or even a medium-short range weapon. If you use the weapon in that manner then you might as well be wielding a weapon without any amo. The SMG is exclusively an extremely short range weapon. Duel wielded at that range it is deadly granted you know how to use it.

And by the way, don't go off wining about grenades and melee, if you have to use a grenade when you are using an SMG, then you really shouldn't be using that weapon. At the range that SMGs should be used grenades are useless (except plasmas, if you get away quick enough). As for melee, if you've ever tried it while dual wielding an SMG, you can drop one of your SMGs and do a melee in the blink of an eye if you tap X.

  • 08.27.2007 5:35 PM PDT
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AMEN! that smg is my 100% full time favorit weapon. I think 80% if my halo 2 live kills were by that beautiful god of a weapon! ha

  • 08.27.2007 5:42 PM PDT