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Posted by: twinkiemaker
Posted by: odmichael
Moderating isn't about Humor. It's about self diciplin. It is hard for me to trust him at this point that he can do that. The mods aren't about drunken humor. They are about keeping the forums a good place. Otherwise other mods would be making plenty of funny jokes on here.

You assume that they cant take place simultaneously.

I'll let you inform yoozel that his moderating privelages are revoked since he often post while intoxicated. You can let Recon go too as he seems to post a few too many off-topic mom jokes to be considered disciplined.

Pick any non-moderating person on these forums and I guarantee you that Impurity has added more to this community than they have. Simply because Imp posted a few drunken topics, people seem to forget that there was a reason he was asked to be a moderator in the first place, or that he voluntarily resigned.

Yes. But he fools around a lot. How can you trust someone that keeps getting banned? If Achronos was to show you his trust rating, that might say something.

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I am going to be honest here, I am on the ropes on this one. I can go either way on this. I respect you impy, and I always have and will. However, the majority of me wants to go with what JAF said. Against it, sort of, yet still being fine with it if it happens. I understand that some may not trust you enough anymore, but personally, I do trust you. But that does not void the fact that I am on the ropes on this one. I am with JAF on this one.

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The only reason I say no is because it goes against everything about these forums. It's like say "Let's promote someone for doing the wrong thing. Maybe others will follow". It's nothing personal. But that is the message I get for promoting impurity at this point in time.

  • 08.17.2007 8:15 AM PDT
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Its not up to me, but if it were.

to make this simple. a week ago i got drunk, got blacklisted

Nuff said, i wouldn't. A loose unreliable cannon doesn't make for good law enforcement.

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  • 08.17.2007 8:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pure Ruin
it's going to be soooo hilariously edgy when he gets drunk and bans people for some serious lulz
Yes. Yes it is.

The way I see it more mods are probably a reasonable idea. I'm not bothered if it's Impy.

  • 08.17.2007 9:07 AM PDT

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  • 08.17.2007 9:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
In a stunning show of irony, I don't know if this thread is really all that necessary. Member's opinions aren't all that important in this situation, and you could have asked a moderator to post the thread in HFCS for you.

-TGP-


Sure, why ask the opinions of the people you moderate on a daily basis? Why ask the members who actually contribute to the forum, instead of just the ones who kick members in the nuts, and then run back up to their ivory towers?

Impy may have been drunk when he made this thread, but damn it if he didn't bring up one hell of a good point. Impy has always done his best to get down into the trenches with the B.net community (when he was ninja, and long after). I betcha he's made more threads contributing to the forums then all the other ninjas combined. Some people call Impy a loose cannon, but I say he embodies everything Bungie stands for.

Irreverent
Smart
Witty
Passionate about the community

Who better to moderate than someone like that?

  • 08.17.2007 9:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: impurity
the current line-up rarely creates topics of their own. how can an example be set if it's just based off of 'what not to do'?

This is quite possibly the most brilliant statement I've read here in a long time. If there is one thing that needs to change on this site it would be moderator participation. Looking at other well run forums, moderators are active members of the community. I know the whole "quality over quantity" concept but that's kind of a cop out. Ninjas should be more than a swift, silent police force. They should create threads and be staples of the community. And some mods are better than others so this isn't meant to be a blanket statement. Just a suggestion.

As for the rest of your post, it's pretty funny in an oxymoronic sort of way. It's completely self-indulgent and blogtastic, but rife with your own insecurity. Who gives a flying -blam!- what two mods think of you? And why does your text need to by orange for you to have a positive impact on the community?

But I digress. I'd love to see you as a ninja again. You have a more human element than most of the other mods. It would be nice to see a ninja that does more than jump in a derailed thread and lock it with a witty statement.

I have a feeling you woke up this morning and are loath to view this thread. Hopefully you do; even if you have to wait until tonight when you're drunk again.

/more cowbell = more impy

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Posted by: scruss
Nuff said, i wouldn't. A loose unreliable cannon doesn't make for good law enforcement.

Yes it does. Dead people don't cause crime.

  • 08.17.2007 9:19 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: impurity
because he agreed as long as the other moderators would agree. personally, my ego is too damn high to submit to asking for forgiveness. that doesn't mean i wasn't wrong. i'm a giant screw up. but it was mostly out of spite because i think a lot of the current moderation is too harsh in areas that aren't even a problem. their actions seem more like a stress relief exercise for lazy ninjas. that takes out a lot of the fun and personality most older members of the forums have left for.

I think that this hits the heart of the matter. I am assuming you mean treating Flood as harsh as what the Halo 2 forum needs from time to time. I for one let quite a bit go in the Flood. That is the one place besides groups that members can go to have fun. Now that is not to say I don't go in there to lock threads or blacklist members, but I do take a less harsh of an approach to how I deal with it. I can't speak for the other mods though.

Posted by: impurity
the current line-up rarely creates topics of their own. how can an example be set if it's just based off of 'what not to do'?

I have never really posted my own threads that much. I do from time to time. The only thing that makes me really not want to is the fact that some members will just agree with me because I have a special avatar and orange text. I don't like that at all. Of course that is something that I have to learn to deal with myself, but I do see your point. It is like to some members that we have become a set of people who do nothing but come out to lay down the law and not to actually have fun with the members. Nothing but a negative image is portrayed when we do that. I promise you that I will try to make a better effort to correct that.

Posted by: impurity
i can get this is a company owned by microsoft now...especially with the next game coming out. the rules need to be tighter in certain areas. i miss the old days of fun and crap between everyone. now...a slight violation is a label. so...me being a ninja again is probably not in anyones' interests.

moderators and members, please support my sinful question and let me know if it's a good or horrible (probably the correct) choice to let me back on. i could help and cut back on my problem causing if i was picked up again but i know hfcs has a thread on permabanning me now. so i wouldn't be surprised if this is a thread that's immediately locked or filled with posts telling me to screw off.

I for one say that having you back on could be a shot in the arm to moderating staff. I say that you have proven yourself when you were a moderator as a person who loves this community and who loves to have fun. I also remember when you were a mod that you were not afraid to enforce the rules when they were needed but you also had fun with us while you did. Now maybe the way you brought this to the attention of us and the community was a bit on the crazy/stupid side, but that is apparently what was needed. You have my vote to be brought back. I for one would love to have you.(Read what you will into that sentence.)

Well I am ranting on and repeating myself. I have said my peace.

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It's funny how about half the people in this thread are basing their decision off of how fun Impy is. That is exactly why he should not be a moderator, you can not have one of the most fun people on the threads become a mod. I'll give you a couple of reasons. One, they will ignore blatant rule breakers because they does not want to ruin the fun. And two, even if they do do their job, they won't be fun anymore like they used to.

Anyway, the way I see this whole thing is that it's really not our choice as a community to let Impy be a mod or not, but if I had to choose I would not let him. Moderators are the role models for what you should be doing right on a forum. Not getting online drunk and making stupid pointless threads. Not to mention getting blacklisted. My guess is if Impy was to be given power again, he would either, A. Abuse it or B. Ignore his responsibilites. The goal of the ninjas at Bungie.net is to moderate and give input when seen fit. I do believe all of the current ninjas do exactly that, so I am happy with our current ones. I would not like to see another one, especially one who gets blacklisted, drunk all the time, flames, etc.

Oh, and by the way, our ninjas have a better sense of humor than over two thirds of the members on this site, they just do not get a good chance to express themselves because the rest of the members are idiots, and try to do stupid things, therefore the mods have to take action. They can be more "fun" than you can imagine. Try looking up some old threads here.

  • 08.17.2007 9:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kasai
It's funny how about half the people in this thread are basing their decision off of how fun Impy is. That is exactly why he should not be a moderator, you can not have one of the most fun people on the threads become a mod. I'll give you a couple of reasons. One, they will ignore blatant rule breakers because they does not want to ruin the fun. And two, even if they do do their job, they won't be fun anymore like they used to.

Is this your first account with Bungie? I ask because if it is then you weren't around when impy was a mod. If you were you would know your statement is completely incorrect. Being "fun" and being a mod are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, as this is a video game site "fun" should be a prerequisite.

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I like having fun on the forums. But people first have to know the rules. It's like saying "Hey because this rick roller is funny, let's make him a ninja". I can see Impurity loving what he did. But the reason why some people want him back I disagree with.

  • 08.17.2007 9:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achilles1108
I for one would love to have you.(Read what you will into that sentence.)

Well I am ranting on and repeating myself. I have said my peace.



Don't worry, I also would love to have him. Anyone who knows him secretly wants Impy all to their self.

  • 08.17.2007 9:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Achilles1108
The only thing that makes me really not want to is the fact that some members will just agree with me because I have a special avatar and orange text. I don't like that at all.


Do you really think this Achilles? If so, that's a sad statement about how you regard the community's individuality and ability to think for themselves. Most of us could care less who made the thread. If it's an interesting topic, you're going to get our opinion, regardless of your shiny orange text.

BTW, I haven't seen a moderator created game since dmbfan's Diplomacy game from last year. Impy was good for at least 2-3 interesting games or threads a month.

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Posted by: Kasai
It's funny how about half the people in this thread are basing their decision off of how fun Impy is. That is exactly why he should not be a moderator, you can not have one of the most fun people on the threads become a mod. I'll give you a couple of reasons. One, they will ignore blatant rule breakers because they does not want to ruin the fun. And two, even if they do do their job, they won't be fun anymore like they used to.

Is this your first account with Bungie? I ask because if it is then you weren't around when impy was a mod. If you were you would know your statement is completely incorrect. Being "fun" and being a mod are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, as this is a video game site "fun" should be a prerequisite.


I have had multiple accounts on this site dating back til about August '04 because I wanted more information on Halo 2. What are you attempting to say anyway? I didn't say that just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you cannot be fun. All I was saying is that numerous people are basing their whole choice on this matter simply because Impy is fun, being a mod if much more than just being fun. I'm telling you now that he will continue to break the rules and he will ignore rule breakers themselves. Try some in depth reading.
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Posted by: Kasai
It's funny how about half the people in this thread are basing their decision off of how fun Impy is. That is exactly why he should not be a moderator, you can not have one of the most fun people on the threads become a mod. I'll give you a couple of reasons. One, they will ignore blatant rule breakers because they does not want to ruin the fun. And two, even if they do do their job, they won't be fun anymore like they used to.

Who says a moderator can't have fun while enforcing the rules? Who says that they will blatantly ignore all the rules? Nobody. Just because he 'let's loose' now, does not mean he let loose, or will let loose, when he was, or if he becomes a moderator again. I hate to say it, but impurity was the class act of a moderator. What moderators should strive to be, active. Yes, there are moderators posting, but not contributing. By far, the posts are to lock a thread, not to contribute to a discussion.

Anyway, the way I see this whole thing is that it's really not our choice as a community to let Impy be a mod or not, but if I had to choose I would not let him. Moderators are the role models for what you should be doing right on a forum. Not getting online drunk and making stupid pointless threads. Not to mention getting blacklisted. My guess is if Impy was to be given power again, he would either, A. Abuse it or B. Ignore his responsibilites. The goal of the ninjas at Bungie.net is to moderate and give input when seen fit. I do believe all of the current ninjas do exactly that, so I am happy with our current ones. I would not like to see another one, especially one who gets blacklisted, drunk all the time, flames, etc.
Now, I really hate to say this last bit, especially since there are only a couple moderators, but there are other mods that ignore their responsibilities, and just boast to their buds. Sure, they do something here and there, but by far Cam, JAF, Ghandi, Achilles, TGP, Prophet, and Jim do most of the work and know their spot. Their spot being; a member. Sure, they have more responsibilities, but these few are the ones that know and realize their responsibilities.

Oh, and by the way, our ninjas have a better sense of humor than over two thirds of the members on this site, they just do not get a good chance to express themselves because the rest of the members are idiots, and try to do stupid things, therefore the mods have to take action. They can be more "fun" than you can imagine. Try looking up some old threads here.
This bit really wasn't needed, you do know that correct? But, since I'm criticizing your whole, post, might as well do this bit as well. Mods do have a sense of humor, I agree with that, but saying it's better than the members here, I must disagree. Everyone here is 'equal', so to speak. Nobody is funnier than another person, nobody is less funnier than some one else. We all have a sense of humor, and some use it a bit more wisely than others.

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  • 08.17.2007 9:51 AM PDT

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Well, I've been a "lurker" for quite some time before I started posting tidbits here and there, but I've seen Impy around when he was a moderator. There's many reasons not to let him back on the team, but I'm another person who's all for second chances. He's had moderating experience before, on these very forums, so there's no reason why he wouldn't be beneficial. Some may argue that his "antics" demean the forums, but Impy is mostly just another law-abiding member of this community. We're all allowed to slip up every once in a while, why can't a moderator? Just because he sits on a golden throne doesn't mean he's not human.

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Posted by: Kasai
I'm telling you now that he will continue to break the rules and he will ignore rule breakers themselves. Try some in depth reading.

Maybe you should prove your point instead telling someone to figure it out for themselves. I'm not believing that sentence because I'm not seeing any actual evidence presented.

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Impy is the best.

id say he should get powers aslong as we still have fun.

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  • 08.17.2007 9:59 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
The only thing that makes me really not want to is the fact that some members will just agree with me because I have a special avatar and orange text. I don't like that at all.


Do you really think this Achilles? If so, that's a sad statement about how you regard the community's individuality and ability to think for themselves. Most of us could care less who made the thread. If it's an interesting topic, you're going to get our opinion, regardless of your shiny orange text.

When I first became a mod that is exactly what started to happen. That is why I said some members. Not everybody does it but it does make you not want to post as much because of it.

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Posted by: impurity
hi, i'm a giant asshat

in case you aren't familiar, i use to moderate here. did it for about a year after halo 2 came out. personal issues and problems with other moderators forced me to decide to resign.

to make this simple. a week ago i got drunk, got blacklisted, and sent a message to achronos asking for moderator status back.
Being a Forum Ninja is a privilege, where you as a Bungie.net member, have a special right under certain conditions. That does not mean that because you were a moderator, that you have authority to abuse the 4th section titled "No Unlawful or Prohibited Use" of the Bungie.net Terms of Use.

When you willing decided to resign from being a Bungie.net moderator, you also chose to give up the benefits that went along with it. Since then, you have and currently remain to be equivalent to any Bungie.net member. With that said, the Bungie.net Forum Rules, Code of Conduct, and Terms of Use are fully enforced and apply to you as well.

It does not matter whether you have been a member since 12/24/2003 or chose to sign up today, ignorance is not an excuse - by signing up and becoming a Bungie.net member you agree to abide by all of the rules and policies listed in those three documents stated above. You may not put any blame on others, for becoming intoxicated, performing an action that is against the rules, and being temporarily suspended is nothing but your own fault.

Posted by: impurity
why is this even a thread?
That is a very good question. As far as I'm concerned, using the public forums as a means of communicating with a specific person or group is against the Bungie.net Forum Rules. That is what private messages and groups are for.

Posted by: impurity
because he agreed as long as the other moderators would agree. personally, my ego is too damn high to submit to asking for forgiveness. that doesn't mean i wasn't wrong. i'm a giant screw up.
I do not know the situation at hand so I have nothing to say regarding you returning as a Bungie.net moderator again. However, just because you got the approval from Achronos to ask other moderators if you could come back, doesn't give you permission to post this issue in the Bungie.net Community Forum and open up discussion to the public, especially because it may be a sensitive issue to some individuals, such as the Forum Ninjas.

Another thing to add would be a note on the way you are going about things. If you wish to come back to help benefit the Bungie.net community, you should definitely be sorry for any mistakes made in the past. Admitting to being a giant screw up is fine, but saying that you have an ego and attitude toward the situation is very negative, and discourages other fans from wanting you to represent the Bungie.net forums as a role model or leader for that matter. Thinking that it is now perfectly fine to make countless mistakes, resign from being a moderator, and believing you can just come and go whenever you please is not how Bungie.net works; it's not how life works.

Forum Ninjas are selected on a number of characteristics such as community involvement, length of time on Bungie.net, knowledge of Bungie and Bungie games and should have extensive knowledge of the English language along with proper grammar. If you are truly willing to accept the tasks of being a moderator and are willing to change, I suggest showing us by posting in the forums. Asking to be a moderator is one thing, showing us you want to be a moderator is another.

Posted by: impurity
but it was mostly out of spite because i think a lot of the current moderation is too harsh in areas that aren't even a problem. their actions seem more like a stress relief exercise for lazy ninjas. that takes out a lot of the fun and personality most older members of the forums have left for. the current line-up rarely creates topics of their own. how can an example be set if it's just based off of 'what not to do'?
Too harsh? If there wasn't a problem to begin with, the Forum Ninjas could let spammers and leaked videos off with a warning, but when it becomes repetitive then the rules must tighten up. That's just how it is. Bungie.net forums are not for fun and fooling around; you have no rights, play nice.

When our current line-up of moderators get critiqued for every single post, they feel uncomfortable because some users take what they say out of context, mistake it as official, or something inappropriate. The quality of leadership, more than any other single factor, determines the success or failure of an organization, in this case, Bungie.net.

By setting specific standards and telling members what are not permitted, you are not only limiting them, but are also laying down a foundation where they are fully aware of their expectations. How can one be an example or leader if they fail to abide the rules and let others get away with it as well?

Posted by: impurity
i can get this is a company owned by microsoft now...especially with the next game coming out. the rules need to be tighter in certain areas. i miss the old days of fun and crap between everyone. now...a slight violation is a label. so...me being a ninja again is probably not in anyones' interests.
If you miss the old days of "fun and crap" I wouldn't come back to be a moderator. Why do you want to become one if you are not going to be willing to enforce the rules when necessary? Being a Forum Ninja to slack off, let others get away with forum infractions, and announcing your bad reputation gives me the thought that you returning here as a Forum Ninja would not be a benefit for Bungie.net or its community.

Posted by: impurity
moderators and members, please support my sinful question and let me know if it's a good or horrible (probably the correct) choice to let me back on. i could help and cut back on my problem causing if i was picked up again but i know hfcs has a thread on permabanning me now. so i wouldn't be surprised if this is a thread that's immediately locked or filled with posts telling me to screw off.
There truly is no reason to support you for coming back, especially for not even being sorry for your previous mistakes and issues with other moderators in the past. Obviously I am not the one to make that decision, but cutting back on your problem now instead of waiting to see if you can become a moderator is highly suggested. By spamming the forum and disobeying the forum rules, you are not only degrading your reputation, but are also making it less likely to be trusted once again. Lead by example, show effort and self control, but retain your character.

Posted by: impurity
i love me and i love drama

i'm also drunk as crap right now
Even if you are at the wrong state of mind, you have the choice of expressing it or controlling it. You made the wrong choice. Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with the important matters.

[Edited on 08.17.2007 11:10 AM PDT]

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I like impy. He's great at roiling up some drama and we share many of the same views on the community and its behaivours. Personally, i'd love to see him reinstated. Look back over the stuff he got banned for - it was all done in jest and none of it was really trollish or bad. If all our moderators are whiter than white and saintly to the core, this place'd just be boring.

(also ♥ this thread. Its given me many a giggle. why does the word "moderator" bring the absolute brown nosiest aspects of people out?)

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