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Posted by: Achilles1108
Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Achilles1108
The only thing that makes me really not want to is the fact that some members will just agree with me because I have a special avatar and orange text. I don't like that at all.


Do you really think this Achilles? If so, that's a sad statement about how you regard the community's individuality and ability to think for themselves. Most of us could care less who made the thread. If it's an interesting topic, you're going to get our opinion, regardless of your shiny orange text.

When I first became a mod that is exactly what started to happen. That is why I said some members. Not everybody does it but it does make you not want to post as much because of it.


Well that's silly. Who cares if some member's want to kiss ass instead of post with merit. I think it's imperative for the ninjas to contribute to the forums as opposed to just policing it. Showing the members that you're not just assimilated ninja-bots by jumping in the fray is just as important to the overall community public relations as keeping the peace.

  • 08.17.2007 10:43 AM PDT
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I like to Rollick

I don't see how moderators not making topics is a big deal...

Is saying you will cut back on your problem causing if you get picked up for mod, imply that you will continue the problem causing behavior if you are not?

I would rather you be yourself than cutting back in order to become a mod.

  • 08.17.2007 10:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Achilles1108
Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Achilles1108
The only thing that makes me really not want to is the fact that some members will just agree with me because I have a special avatar and orange text. I don't like that at all.


Do you really think this Achilles? If so, that's a sad statement about how you regard the community's individuality and ability to think for themselves. Most of us could care less who made the thread. If it's an interesting topic, you're going to get our opinion, regardless of your shiny orange text.

When I first became a mod that is exactly what started to happen. That is why I said some members. Not everybody does it but it does make you not want
to post as much because of it.


Well that's silly. Who cares if some member's want to kiss ass instead of post with merit. I think it's imperative for the ninjas to contribute to the forums as opposed to just policing it. Showing the members that you're not just assimilated ninja-bots by jumping in the fray is just as important to the overall community public relations as keeping the peace.

It depends on the person and the situation. I would say there are people on the forums that will agree with ninjas and bungie workers on every topic. But lately I've noticed this less and less. I would like to see mods post more in my opinion.

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Posted by: Sketto
I don't see how moderators not making topics is a big deal...

Is saying you will cut back on your problem causing if you get picked up for mod, imply that you will continue the problem causing behavior if you are not?

I would rather you be yourself than cutting back in order to become a mod.



From the information I've gathered in this thread, you CAN'T be yourself and become a Mod.

Personally, I'd rather have 30 impy clones running around moderating than all the other stiff by the book Mods. No offense guys, I know it is your job here, but acctually try to enjoy it. It is a crying shame that the Community has no say in this. We only buy the Bungie products and keep this Community going. Thats all.

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Posted by: CrypticGuardian
Posted by: impurity
hi, i'm a giant asshat

in case you aren't familiar, i use to moderate here. did it for about a year after halo 2 came out. personal issues and problems with other moderators forced me to decide to resign.

to make this simple. a week ago i got drunk, got blacklisted, and sent a message to achronos asking for moderator status back.
Being a Forum Ninja is a privilege, where you as a Bungie.net member, have a special right under certain conditions. That does not mean that because you were a moderator, that you have authority to abuse the 4th section titled "No Unlawful or Prohibited Use" of the Bungie.net Terms of Use.

When you willing decided to resign from being a Bungie.net moderator, you also chose to give up the benefits that went along with it. Since then, you have and currently remain to be equivalent to any Bungie.net member. With that said, the Bungie.net Forum Rules, Code of Conduct, and Terms of Use are fully enforced and apply to you as well.

It does not matter whether you have been a member since 12/24/2003 or chose to sign up today, ignorance is not an excuse - by signing up and becoming a Bungie.net member you agree to abide by all of the rules and policies listed in those three documents stated above. You may not put any blame on others, for becoming intoxicated, performing an action that is against the rules, and being temporarily suspended is nothing but your own fault.

Posted by: impurity
why is this even a thread?
That is a very good question. As far as I'm concerned, using the public forums as a means of communicating with a specific person or group is against the Bungie.net Forum Rules. That is what private messages and groups are for.

Posted by: impurity
because he agreed as long as the other moderators would agree. personally, my ego is too damn high to submit to asking for forgiveness. that doesn't mean i wasn't wrong. i'm a giant screw up.
I do not know the situation at hand so I have nothing to say regarding you returning as a Bungie.net moderator again. However, just because you got the approval from Achronos to ask other moderators if you could come back, doesn't give you permission to post this issue in the Bungie.net Community Forum and open up discussion to the public, especially because it may be a sensitive issue to some individuals, such as the Forum Ninjas.

Another thing to add would be a note on the way you are going about things. If you wish to come back to help benefit the Bungie.net community, you should definitely be sorry for any mistakes made in the past. Admitting to being a giant screw up is fine, but saying that you have an ego and attitude toward the situation is very negative, and discourages other fans from wanting you to represent the Bungie.net forums as a role model or leader for that matter. Thinking that it is now perfectly fine to make countless mistakes, resign from being a moderator, and believing you can just come and go whenever you please is not how Bungie.net works; it's not how life works.

Forum Ninjas are selected on a number of characteristics such as community involvement, length of time on Bungie.net, knowledge of Bungie and Bungie games and should have extensive knowledge of the English language along with proper grammar. If you are truly willing to accept the tasks of being a moderator and are willing to change, I suggest showing us by posting in the forums. Asking to be a moderator is one thing, showing us you want to be a moderator is another.

Posted by: impurity
but it was mostly out of spite because i think a lot of the current moderation is too harsh in areas that aren't even a problem. their actions seem more like a stress relief exercise for lazy ninjas. that takes out a lot of the fun and personality most older members of the forums have left for. the current line-up rarely creates topics of their own. how can an example be set if it's just based off of 'what not to do'?
Too harsh? If there wasn't a problem to begin with, the Forum Ninjas could let spammers and leaked videos off with a waring, but when it becomes repetitive then the rules must tighten up. That's just how it is. Bungie.net forums are not for fun and fooling around; you have no rights, play nice.

When our current line-up of moderators get critiqued for every single post, they feel uncomfortable because some users take what they say out of context, mistake it as official, or something inappropriate. The quality of leadership, more than any other single factor, determines the success or failure of an organization, in this case, Bungie.net.

By setting specific standards and telling members what are not permitted, you are not only limiting them, but are also laying down a foundation where they are fully aware of their expectations. How can one be an example or leader if they fail to abide the rules and let others get away with it as well?

Posted by: impurity
i can get this is a company owned by microsoft now...especially with the next game coming out. the rules need to be tighter in certain areas. i miss the old days of fun and crap between everyone. now...a slight violation is a label. so...me being a ninja again is probably not in anyones' interests.
If you miss the old days of "fun and crap" I wouldn't come back to be a moderator. Why do you want to become one if you are not going to be willing to enforce the rules when necessary? Being a Forum Ninja to slack off, let others get away with forum infractions, and announcing your bad reputation gives me the thought that you returning here as a Forum Ninja would not be a benefit for Bungie.net or its community.

Posted by: impurity
moderators and members, please support my sinful question and let me know if it's a good or horrible (probably the correct) choice to let me back on. i could help and cut back on my problem causing if i was picked up again but i know hfcs has a thread on permabanning me now. so i wouldn't be surprised if this is a thread that's immediately locked or filled with posts telling me to screw off.
There truly is no reason to support you for coming back, especially for not even being sorry for your previous mistakes and issues with other moderators in the past. Obviously I am not the one to make that decision, but cutting back on your problem now instead of waiting to see if you can become a moderator is highly suggested. By spamming the forum and disobeying the forum rules, you are not only degrading your reputation, but are also making it less likely to be trusted once again. Lead by example, show effort and self control, but retain your character.

Posted by: impurity
i love me and i love drama

i'm also drunk as crap right now
Even if you are at the wrong state of mind, you have the choice of expressing it or controlling it. You made the wrong choice. Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with the important matters.
wow.. who the -blam!- is this guy?? he's like the perfect member. he has like not one post wit spelling or fgrammar errors.. talking bout becoming a mod, justmake this guy one!

  • 08.17.2007 10:57 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: elmicker
(also ♥ this thread. Its given me many a giggle. why does the word "moderator" bring the absolute brown nosiest aspects of people out?)

Not true elmicker. For some people the nose isn't enough, they try to bury their entire head up there.

I'm also noting a pretty clear line between users who have come to know impurity (as much as any two forum members can know someone) and those who only know of him from his drunken insanity induced Flood threads. There is also a definite line between those who "get" impurity and those who only know humor when the audience Laughter sign lights up.

I suppose people brown nose because they feel if they use Terms of Use and Code of Conduct a set number of times, that they get moderating privelages or brownie points in Achronos' secret user trust system.

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Posted by: videosniper 92
wow.. who the -blam!- is this guy?? he's like the perfect member. he has like not one post wit spelling or fgrammar errors.. talking bout becoming a mod, justmake this guy one!


-_-

  • 08.17.2007 11:02 AM PDT

Go Chiefs

Posted by: Kasai
I have had multiple accounts on this site dating back til about August '04 because I wanted more information on Halo 2. What are you attempting to say anyway? I didn't say that just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you cannot be fun. All I was saying is that numerous people are basing their whole choice on this matter simply because Impy is fun, being a mod if much more than just being fun. I'm telling you now that he will continue to break the rules and he will ignore rule breakers themselves. Try some in depth reading.

What I was attempting to say was when Impy was a moderator he was able to have fun and enforce the rules at the same time without much trouble. As a ninja he was one of the most active members of the forums. That has a lot to do with being a good mod, IMO.

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Posted by: videosniper 92
wow.. who the -blam!- is this guy?? he's like the perfect member. he has like not one post wit spelling or grammar errors.. talking bout becoming a mod, justmake this guy one!

Posted by: CrypticGuardian
Too harsh? If there wasn't a problem to begin with, the Forum Ninjas could let spammers and leaked videos off with a waring, but when it becomes repetitive then the rules must tighten up.

Look, an error.

Two months of good posting is not enough to warrant moderator status. Trust is gained through months of that stuff.

  • 08.17.2007 11:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Captain K Mart
Posted by: videosniper 92
wow.. who the -blam!- is this guy?? he's like the perfect member. he has like not one post wit spelling or grammar errors.. talking bout becoming a mod, justmake this guy one!

Posted by: CrypticGuardian
Too harsh? If there wasn't a problem to begin with, the Forum Ninjas could let spammers and leaked videos off with a waring, but when it becomes repetitive then the rules must tighten up.

Look, an error.

Two months of good posting is not enough to warrant moderator status. Trust is gained through months of that stuff.
hahahaha. that's funny cuz he fixed it! idk, kmart, crypticgaurdian is pretty damn cool imo if u read some of his posts and -blam!-. they're ridiculous, like all of them are helpful.. he posts as if he was a mod... -blam!- creepy and how the -blam!- does he getc his threads stickied all the tiem. that guys incredible!

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  • 08.17.2007 11:14 AM PDT

.||./

My gamertag is SHADOWRIDERJP.

Impy is like one big love virus. If he became a mod again he would spread the love to other moderators. He is not afraid to make topics and really loves this community. I know he wants to become a mod for the right reasons, if he doesn't he is fine with that too. He will not become the next Toast or something. I think he will bring some fresh air to the community. He also has past moderating experience.

  • 08.17.2007 11:14 AM PDT

I'm a ninja

impy 4 modz
he is for the people, he is for the lulz!

But on a serious note, I think it'd be fair to give him a second chance. :D

  • 08.17.2007 11:33 AM PDT

I'm a ninja

psh. Drama is funny. Spectating drama is hilarity in bite sized bits, that easily comes from these great tubes we call the interwuts.

  • 08.17.2007 11:44 AM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Personally, I don't believe that I have ever stopped "being myself". Not once. When I can make time to participate in these forums, I enjoy every minute of it. Whether that is posting, or enforcing the rules. If that makes me "a stiff" and a "by the book" moderator..... Well, everyone is welcome to form their own opinion.


You've changed!

j/k.......I think you're a throwback Recon. You're one of the few ninjas that doesn't mind a little forum trashtalking. Why? Because you remember the pre-hawtness days where this was commonplace and B.net was a little more wild westlike.

Now we have a new crop of ninjas that we probably couldn't even indentify in a lineup if not for their avatar. Meaning they're personality has been stripped ever since they threw on the bright orange jersey.

  • 08.17.2007 11:56 AM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

First off, I love imp. He's one of my favorite people on B.net, and I'd say a good friend, but we haven't talked in forever. That kind of casts some bias on my opinion but here it goes.

If you resigned, I think you have every right to get your powers back if you feel you can be a help again. I would only say you should be on a pseudo-probation, and if you get noticeably drunk again, you should be stripped of your mod status. It seems only fair to me that if you willingly gave up, you should be able to come back if you have the time to commit to the job. We all know we are going to need more moderators soon, why not one that doesn't need a breaking in period?

All in all, as long as you use your old avatar, with the winged spartan, you deserve the job 100% ;)

  • 08.17.2007 12:04 PM PDT
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This isn't about second chances or having fun moderators, is it Community? No, it is not. This is more about if we want someone who left his his position because he thought it'd be better for the community, for us, so we would be spared if he would one day do something really stupid. Did Impurity act badly afterwards? Yes, sometimes he did but how bad was it really? Did it clutter the forum, interrupt the communication between other members or was it destructible behavior that hurt the enjoyment of the site? No, it wasn't really that bad was it?

Impy left his position. His powers weren't taken away from him, nor was he asked to leave. He choose it himself, for some reasons we all know and some that are between him and those involved. Did the community suffer from it? Yeah, in a way it did because Impurity was one of the key contributers who made this place more enjoyable. That's why he was appointed moderator in the first place wasn't it? That, and he showed he could be trusted with the responsibility of being a mod. Still, after a hard time he choose to leave these powers for the sake of the community. If that's not caring about the community, what is?

Now Impurity is back, he wants to continue helping the community and feels that he's ready to do that again. Theoretically, he could just have left Bungie.net when he wanted to quit as a moderator, and just log back on now that he's ready to moderate again. What would the difference be? Yes, that he wouldn't have to ask to be a moderator again.

What are the chances Impy will do something stupid as a mod? The people who doesn't want him back says it's high, almost counting on him to do something stupid. If that's the case, why are they so worried? If they're right, he'll do something stupid and get his powers taken away from him and they can do the whole "I told you so" dance that they seem to appreciate just a bit too much. However, could it possibly be that someone wants to take over Impys job as a moderator? We know there's plenty of people around here that's just casually playing cool to get noticed, so they may one day get the orange text. I'm not going to say they have an "agenda", but not everybody is posting in the interests of the community. Fear the wolf in sheeps cloths, I say.

On the other hand, we already know the intentions to Impurity. They're not to get popularity, attention (as others seem to think), special "Bungie friends" or powers to abuse. He's already had that, and that's not what he's after. This time he's asking us, the community, if we want him back as a moderator. He wants our approval if he's going to go back the job, where he helps us.

If it was entirely up to me, I'd say he should be a moderator again. He wants it for unselfish reasons, and what more can we ask for? If something should happen, there's enough people around to stop him as well. Achronos and the other Master Ninjas have the power, and should something happen it'd take a click of a button to stop him as well. There wouldn't be any negatives for reinstating him, we'd just have a member who'd go back to do what he always did, for us. Wouldn't we all be better off with Impy back as moderator?

  • 08.17.2007 12:08 PM PDT

I am a Floodian

Impy, your a fun, cool, all around awesome guy. Sometimes even when you are drunk. I agree that there is a serious problem with the curent moderation policies that are going on. It is often the fun spam, not the stupid spam that is delted. There is inface fun spam. Also, you shouldn't be sending out warning a whole day after a member posted in a thread, for what they did in said thread.

I personaly do not think you should be the person talking about this however, you are one of the biggest examples of bad moderating. Where many members could be blacklisted for months for the threads you make, you often get out in days, repetitively.

Your a great guy impy, a great guy who will never be permabanned, but not a moderator. Sorry.

  • 08.17.2007 12:14 PM PDT

*Sgt

I would like to see Imp as a moderator again. Even though he is a "giant screwup" I think being in a position of responsibility would sober him up a little bit. Although, crossing the path of a drunk moderator would never be good either :D But Impurity would never do that to me. Right?

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  • 08.17.2007 12:27 PM PDT
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You know, since when did a request to become a moderator live this long?
I'm going to be the bad boogie man and lock this.

  • 08.17.2007 12:29 PM PDT

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