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Posted by: free tibet
No offense, but many of you guys are hypocrites. Nothing, and NOTHING can justify mudering an animal, human or otherwise. the Life of an animal is worth more than the taste of its flesh, and it is certainly worth more than the "fun" some people get out of killing.


Are you a vegetarian?

  • 11.29.2004 5:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: free tibet
No offense, but many of you guys are hypocrites. Nothing, and NOTHING can justify mudering an animal, human or otherwise. the Life of an animal is worth more than the taste of its flesh, and it is certainly worth more than the "fun" some people get out of killing.


Are you a vegetarian?


Yeah probably, probably even vegan, but that's for him to answer not me.

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mn this is in danger of devolvin into a flame war.

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Posted by: Gladius 1000
mn this is in danger of devolvin into a flame war.


I love flame wars. In my opinion anyone who refuses to eat meat is ignoring a fact of life. Everything dies. Get over it.

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I don't care either way, I don't hate on people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan, but it gets on my nerves when they try to dictate what I eat. would a vegan be angry if I ate dog crap? it's an animal bi-product.

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Posted by: Stalking Puma
I don't care either way, I don't hate on people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan, but it gets on my nerves when they try to dictate what I eat.

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Posted by: free tibet
No offense, but many of you guys are hypocrites. Nothing, and NOTHING can justify mudering an animal, human or otherwise. the Life of an animal is worth more than the taste of its flesh, and it is certainly worth more than the "fun" some people get out of killing.
heh heh. Tell that to a lion, or a great white shark, or any other tertiary consumer and see if they become vegetarian.

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Posted by: free tibet
Sorry buddy, but the only way a creature can survive is by eating another organism. For the most part, anyway. This, of course, doesn't apply to producers. So are you telling us that we should stop lions from eating gazelle, and that we should stop a bear from eating the salmon that he sometimes enjoys? Are you saying that just because we have the capability to eat anything we want, we shouldn't eat, well, anything?

ah, good point. However, other animals do not have a sense of morality therefore do not care about the suffering of another animal (with a few exeptions e.g. dolphins saving humans from sharks).
Also, whereas humans have a choice between eating animals and plants, as we can survive perfectly well on just plants, most animals HAVE to eat other animals to survive. They are not adapted well enough to eat plants. Indeed, humans only began eating animals during the last ice age, when there were no plants to eat.


Dude, I seriously hope you're not one of those self-righteous hypocrite vegans who think that they're changing the world by not using anything that comes from an animal. If you are, I have several points.

1) More animals are killed in the harvesting of crops such as cotton, soy, wheat, tomatoes, and lettuce( source ) than are killed for human consumption. So, by going vegetarian for the purpose of "It's not right to kill animals" is totally hypocritical. Not only are you still supporting the death of animals, you're letting them go to waste.

2) Lots of self-righteous vegans love to give statistics like "It takes 2500 gallons of water to make a pound of meat, but only 60 to make a pound of wheat." I have some news flashes for ya:
a) we've had the exact same amount of water on the earth ever since it's had water. Therefore, the amount of water used to make something is insignificant.
b) it takes something like 10,000 gallons of water to make a car. So, if you care about conserving water, protest cars.

3) I hate to break it to ya, but the animals raised for slaughter aren't really suffering. How is sitting around, eating, mating whenever you damn well please, and basically doing whatever the hell you want considered to be suffering? Then, generally, they're killed in a quick, painless death (cows, for example, get a spike punched into their necks, killing them instantly. They don't even feel a thing). Wow. That's realllllllly evil.

4) If you're not using animal products (such as eggs and milk), you haven't been paying attention in biology class. How is using them encouraging the "suffering" of animals? Chickens lay eggs whether they've been fertilized by a male or not (which is why the eggs we eat don't have baby chickens in 'em), and cows constantly make milk. If the cow ISN'T milked somehow, it'll die. Therefore, all that not using animal products is doing is this--NOTHING. Also, if you're going along those lines, you'd better quit using practically any kind of prescription/nonprescription drug. Chances are, it's been tested on an animal before it was deemed fit for human consumption. Why? Which is more humane: testing an unknown chemical on a cloned lab mouse that doesn't even know it's being tested on, or using the same product that could prove lethal to a sentinent human?

There are a few more points I'd like to bring up, but I don't even know if you're a vegan for the purpose of animal rights yet.






[Edited on 11/29/2004 9:38:04 PM]

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Casey: I like your post, chock-full of good points. But I would be careful with that last abortion thing. thats dangerously close to any political discussion (just because of how large of an issue it has been in politics), and I also just want to mention about your water thing, is that it's not really water that always conserved, but the matter making up all water on the planet thats conserved. You can take H2O and make a reaction with something to create two different substances but the hydrogen or oxygen doesn't necessarily stay together as H2O. So it's not water that's constantly conserved, but rather the atoms are conserved.

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Thanks for pointing out that abortion thing...kinda got caught up in the moment and threw that in...I took that out.

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poor -blam!- turkey...LOL

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Posted by: JohntheSpartan
I would have cut his balls off and fed them to his mother for bringing him up lie that, then I would have scrambled his intestines and vomited in his mouth...


Of course, a 14 year-old doesn't pose much of a threat to a road-hardened turky-killing truck driver.

Except I'm 16. That is a huge difference. Now I pose a huge threat to any murdering truck driver and any of his cronies. Yes, I will rule them all one day....

  • 11.30.2004 5:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: free tibet
Sorry buddy, but the only way a creature can survive is by eating another organism. For the most part, anyway. This, of course, doesn't apply to producers. So are you telling us that we should stop lions from eating gazelle, and that we should stop a bear from eating the salmon that he sometimes enjoys? Are you saying that just because we have the capability to eat anything we want, we shouldn't eat, well, anything?

ah, good point. However, other animals do not have a sense of morality therefore do not care about the suffering of another animal (with a few exeptions e.g. dolphins saving humans from sharks).
Also, whereas humans have a choice between eating animals and plants, as we can survive perfectly well on just plants, most animals HAVE to eat other animals to survive. They are not adapted well enough to eat plants. Indeed, humans only began eating animals during the last ice age, when there were no plants to eat.


Dude, I seriously hope you're not one of those self-righteous hypocrite vegans who think that they're changing the world by not using anything that comes from an animal. If you are, I have several points.

1) More animals are killed in the harvesting of crops such as cotton, soy, wheat, tomatoes, and lettuce( source ) than are killed for human consumption. So, by going vegetarian for the purpose of "It's not right to kill animals" is totally hypocritical. Not only are you still supporting the death of animals, you're letting them go to waste.

2) Lots of self-righteous vegans love to give statistics like "It takes 2500 gallons of water to make a pound of meat, but only 60 to make a pound of wheat." I have some news flashes for ya:
a) we've had the exact same amount of water on the earth ever since it's had water. Therefore, the amount of water used to make something is insignificant.
b) it takes something like 10,000 gallons of water to make a car. So, if you care about conserving water, protest cars.

3) I hate to break it to ya, but the animals raised for slaughter aren't really suffering. How is sitting around, eating, mating whenever you damn well please, and basically doing whatever the hell you want considered to be suffering? Then, generally, they're killed in a quick, painless death (cows, for example, get a spike punched into their necks, killing them instantly. They don't even feel a thing). Wow. That's realllllllly evil.

4) If you're not using animal products (such as eggs and milk), you haven't been paying attention in biology class. How is using them encouraging the "suffering" of animals? Chickens lay eggs whether they've been fertilized by a male or not (which is why the eggs we eat don't have baby chickens in 'em), and cows constantly make milk. If the cow ISN'T milked somehow, it'll die. Therefore, all that not using animal products is doing is this--NOTHING. Also, if you're going along those lines, you'd better quit using practically any kind of prescription/nonprescription drug. Chances are, it's been tested on an animal before it was deemed fit for human consumption. Why? Which is more humane: testing an unknown chemical on a cloned lab mouse that doesn't even know it's being tested on, or using the same product that could prove lethal to a sentinent human?

There are a few more points I'd like to bring up, but I don't even know if you're a vegan for the purpose of animal rights yet.



lots of good points in there man.

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