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Subject: New Spartans- A NEW thread...Worth Your Time

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Doom Sticks here (secret agent noob to you all...hehe) just a quick recap on some facts of the known events that might involve New Spartans:

1) CPO mendez leaves the spartan 2 project to specifically go train the new class of Spartans I'm pretty sure that in FoR when the Spartan's graduate, Mendez goes speciffically to a distant planet to train the next batch of S3's. When the Chief and the gang graduate he's age 16 or something and he's like 40 by the time the events in Halo take place. This "new class" of Spartans is never mentioned through out the books although they would be of age for combat ops.by the time Halo happens.

2) Just before leaving Reach Dr. Halsey snoops on Ackerson's computer-files and finds a foldernamed S III. Within this folder there are two files CPOMZ, and King under the Mountain (that has DNA records of all the members of the Spartan2 project) AND somewhere in there is also some astral coordinates (a long string of numbers).

3) Ackerson definitely has something going on and it's quite clear that the Spartans and Dr.Halsey were his direct competition within the Military Industrial Complex of the 26th century. In a scene in one of the books Ackerson displays some sort of leverage over a superior ranking officer (admiral Hood I think) that's so obvious that an ONI Lieutenant notices it. Chapter 11 in FS is practically all about this so i would assume that it's a major plot factor.

4) I think the emblems on the Mjolnir armor in Halo 2 might extend beyond Multi-player and they could be a mark of different Spartan 3 squads.... also FLASH cloning isn't successfull but i think clones can be made if done....uh....naturally. The general ignorant theory is that Ackerson cloned some of the Saprtan 2's maybe even the Chief.

5) Admitedly i have no idea how this relates to there being more spartans in Halo 2 but Chapter 30 from The Fall of Reach smells very fishy and so therefore, like Ackerson. It also takes place almost exactly a day before Reach is invaded. I know the Iroquios had a Covie tracking device on it and that's supposedly how Reach was found by the Covenant but Chapter 30, especially how it's placed within the last moments of Reach, is just too conspicuous.

There's no reason why a new class of Spartans wouldn't be classified as Spartan 3's. Granted the book never mentions Spartan 3's. Now if the Chief's team are the Spartan 2's (he has a roster of his team at the end of FS) then wouldn't the next batch of super human soldiers be named Spartan 3's. Then, hey, the next calss after that could be named Spartan 4's.

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Just as a thought, Sargent Banks in the Halo 2 2003 E3 demo says when you arrive " I didnt think they'd send a SPARTAN". This could be because according to the books ONI section 2 (public relations) went public with the SPARTAN 2 project in 2549, so it is likely that almost everbody knows about them. But it sets in stone there are more SPARTANS out there.

And yet still more discussion on Spartan (Number)'s....

It could still be open to debate, that is -i don't think- it's ever spelled out in the books that the reasoning behind naming the Chief's class "Spartan 2"s was that the original Spartans were in ancient greece (and they kicked ass!). Now that i think about it there could very well have been a class of Spartan 1's (did they fail to pass the augmentation procedures? was this do to a lack of science that was partially solved by Dr. Halsey and so she then got the task of making Spartan 2's????) All Dr. Halsey says in the beginning of FoR is "As per Naval Code 45812,you are hereby conscripted into the UNSC special project code named -SPARTAN II."

I'm considering this. it would sorta make sense cause we have Space shuttles today named after old sailing ships and there names aren't "The Endeavour II". Ususally when a something classic is used for the first time in a modern way -the name is adopted as is. But maybe this changes in the future and they respect the ancient context of the Spartans and therefore name their first class Spartan II's.

Uhhh... i dunno what else? Halsey leaves with Kelly with a couple guns on a Chiroptera class vessel with slipspace drive capabilities, after feeling really bad about what she'd done to the spartans she is seeking to make sure now one suffers (again Great regeneration Theory Spartan004).

  • 06.02.2004 6:51 PM PDT

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There are other ways of keeping time other than the sun. The 24 hour clock and even the unit of a second is a "prescribed unit" and not an "inherent" one. Nuclear (Hydrogen) Clocks can keep time with extreme accuracy but you bring up a very good point about the different effects that the time Crystal might have (it is remarked that there is a firly large time discrepency concerniong the MC's events on Halo and what was going on at Reach).

Yeah, travelling at speeds higher than lightspeed has it's complications with Time( and I think these are deallt with in the ambiguous realm of slipspace travel in the Halo story).

  • 06.02.2004 7:01 PM PDT
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slipspace isn't really time traveling or light speed
you are changing dimensions

  • 06.02.2004 7:47 PM PDT
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after reading the books and all of the posts
it have come to wonder just why Halsey though the spartan project was a disaster.
Sure it had its large costs but the accomplishments that the spartans made certainly outwieghed this...
i would think that she would want to make more

  • 06.02.2004 7:53 PM PDT
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im so lazy i didnt even read it

  • 06.02.2004 7:56 PM PDT
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well you need to
theyre awesome

  • 06.02.2004 8:07 PM PDT
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TECHNO THEORY

I think that Dr.Halsey didn't go to searchThe Flood. Actually, she went with Kelly to go get alien technology to beef up the armor.That way, the next Spartans would be able to handle things more easily.

  • 06.02.2004 8:18 PM PDT
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Listen ppl all the spartans bought the farm at reach along with hasely (i have only read the flood and fall of reach) and now all this talk of them escaping this just makes the halo universe alot worse cause if there are more of the master chief(spartans)then it makes him all the less importent also does first strike have halo 2 spoiler in it?

  • 06.02.2004 8:22 PM PDT
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i think the humans have more amour technology and quite personally i can't imagine a pregnant spartan i mean really,people

  • 06.02.2004 8:33 PM PDT
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Excellent point by rebelforce but seriously can you imagine it? Kelly and John sittin in a tree, kissing...

Im sorry I couldnt help it. it sipped. Honestly!

[Edited on 6/2/2004 9:07:47 PM]

  • 06.02.2004 9:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bmasterlord
now all this talk of them escaping this just makes the halo universe alot worse cause if there are more of the master chief(spartans)then it makes him all the less importent also does first strike have halo 2 spoiler in it?

You say that you have not read first strike but you are against the fact that there may be more spartans.... if you read first strike you would feel the same as the rest of us... there is something fishy going on in first strike and we think that it will lead to more spartans
and to answer your question first strike mainly fills in the gap... tells the stories of how MC got from Halo to Earth

  • 06.02.2004 9:10 PM PDT
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I beg forgiveness of the outbreak, but the pregnancy theory doesnt sit right. "Natural clones"? That only happens when you have two genetically identical people (brother/sister) uhh....do it. Most animals have enough since not to do that, so it mostly happens in plants because sometimes they cant find mates.

  • 06.02.2004 9:10 PM PDT
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lol... think were getting a little bit off topic....

  • 06.02.2004 9:11 PM PDT
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S-III possibly could mean Spartan 3. CPOMZ= Chief Petty Oficer Mendez (I know the last name doent exactly fit, but its more than a coincedence. That followed by the 512 alphanumeric string is where I think the new spartans are being trained (that or the second Halo threatening Earth) is a little to Bungie-esque not to be just a concedence(sp?)

  • 06.02.2004 9:16 PM PDT
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Heres an interesting theory: you know when Hikowa suggests the spartans arent even human in the armor, they are robots? Why would she make a claim like that unless it was a posiblity? If I were training a new set of Spartans from the spartan II project, I wouldnt change it to Spartan III, I would keep it the same. Only a radical change could warrant that kind of jump. Perhaps the Spartan 3s are robots.

  • 06.02.2004 9:21 PM PDT
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well yeah... what if ... what if
we can only say what if

  • 06.02.2004 9:22 PM PDT
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OK.. Dont you think it would be John and Linda?.. the way he describes her is... more romantic in a sort of way... not that it would ever happen...

  • 06.02.2004 9:23 PM PDT
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I think-not 100% positive, about 97%-that it says, in FoR, the Spartans were dubbed "2" because the Spartans of Ancient Greece were the first. Not sure, though.

...yeah, I know. A little off topic and out of place.

P.S.-No. First Strike is not a spoiler.

[Edited on 6/2/2004 9:31:39 PM]

  • 06.02.2004 9:28 PM PDT
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On the subject of where Halsey went. It has been thought that Halsey could have gone to the other Halo. In order to combat the flood, she must have known that if she could not be taken over, she must "catch' Borens syndrome. If she was looking for the flood, she probably went to a medical facility sufficently advanced to have the capability to inject herself with it. SO. if she was going to Halo to find flood, I at least think she would have the common sense to immunize herself against the xenoform

  • 06.02.2004 9:29 PM PDT
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I seriously doubt that there were spartans before master chief... Because of the way Hasely was talking to Deja,about Keyes, and him being able to keep a secret. Unless Hasely didn't know about the first ones... but she was the one who founded the project

  • 06.02.2004 9:30 PM PDT
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Remember- criticism is good. Shoot down theories. We want to know what is behind the Iron Curtain of bungie, dont we?

  • 06.02.2004 9:31 PM PDT
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How would Hasely know where to find another Halo ring. It says that the artifact on Reach brought John to the first Halo, but there is no artifact now... and there would be no way of telling where another ring was.

  • 06.02.2004 9:32 PM PDT
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Whoohoo! Taru-dance time! <('.'<) (>'.')> <(.'.)>

  • 06.02.2004 9:33 PM PDT
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On the "pregnancy theory" as far as I know, there are no brothers and sisters in the Spartan Program

  • 06.02.2004 9:34 PM PDT
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Thats just wrong anyway... so lets.... not talk about that anymore.

  • 06.02.2004 9:36 PM PDT

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