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Subject: Where do you stand on animal rights?

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Poll: What is you opinion?  [closed]
No killing. I'm a vegetarian.:  2%
(1 Votes)
I will eat meat if it is killed without suffering.:  26%
(16 Votes)
Our current system is fine.:  23%
(14 Votes)
As long as I don't have to kill it myself.:  7%
(4 Votes)
I hunt, and will eat what I kill. No suffering.:  13%
(8 Votes)
Animals are barely even smart enough to feel pain!:  0%
(0 Votes)
Animals were placed on this earth BY GOD for us.:  23%
(14 Votes)
Who cares if they suffer?:  7%
(4 Votes)
Total Votes: 61

I belong to catagory two; as long as it is killed humanely, I don't care too much. But if no attention is paid to their deaths it should be considered a crime, as should killing without a purpose. Hunting is fine; it's the way of life for nearly every creature. I don't believe that animals should have the same quality of life as us; we should attempt to make their lives better than what they would have in the wild, though. Freedom from being hunted until the end of their lives is worth a slightly lesser existance.

[Edited on 11/29/2004 9:51:36 PM]

  • 11.29.2004 9:51 PM PDT
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I kill animals, and most of the time I don't eat them.

  • 11.29.2004 9:53 PM PDT
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I leave rat poison out for my neighbor's animals.

  • 11.29.2004 9:56 PM PDT
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I hope you're joking Obbi. It's a cruel and painful thing to watch an animal suffer.

  • 11.29.2004 9:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rabid Gnome
I hope you're joking Obbi. It's a cruel and painful thing to watch an animal suffer.


Oh, I don't watch. I leave it out and forget about it.

  • 11.29.2004 10:01 PM PDT
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Wow. Nice job on creating this thread.

Personally, my stance on animal rights actually kinda differs depending on the animal. Dogs, for example, are awesome and deserve more rights than say, a fish (I have a little Springer Spaniel runt named Sadie and she's one of the cutest dogs known to man...I love her to death and I'd be really sad if I had to see her get nailed by a car speeding down my street). Actually, nevermind that. I don't look down upon eating meat--the animal isn't going to waste. I do frown upon poaching, especially with endangered animals, although accidents do happen (like hitting a manatee with a boat). But, at the same time, I don't really have many qualms about going into the woods and taking potshots at some squirrels with a bb gun, or blasting away at potguts (but, they are a pest animal) with a .22. I love to go pheasant hunting, and although I rarely eat the meat, my dad and I are at least sensible enough to give it to someone who WILL use it.

But, I think the people who go really far off the deep end with animal rights (i.e., being a vegan because it's "wrong to kill animals") are idiots and hypocrites. I'll post more on that later, but it's late and I'm running on three and a half hours of sleep so I'd best be off to bed now.

  • 11.29.2004 10:01 PM PDT
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Wouldn't this be considered a political subject?

  • 11.29.2004 10:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Elite_elite
Wouldn't this be considered a political subject?


Only if you think animals are worthy of thought.

  • 11.29.2004 10:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Posted by: Rabid Gnome
I hope you're joking Obbi. It's a cruel and painful thing to watch an animal suffer.


Oh, I don't watch. I leave it out and forget about it.


*sigh*
Is the lack of concern for other living beings really this bad?

[Edited on 11/29/2004 10:12:32 PM]

  • 11.29.2004 10:09 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Posted by: Rabid Gnome
Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Posted by: Rabid Gnome
I hope you're joking Obbi. It's a cruel and painful thing to watch an animal suffer.


Oh, I don't watch. I leave it out and forget about it.


*sigh*

Sigh indeed.
You have to get used to Obbi. Very rarely does he utter a serious word, but when he does you can tell.

  • 11.29.2004 10:10 PM PDT
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I eagerly await one, but I fear I will be waiting for some time.

  • 11.29.2004 10:16 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Posted by: Rabid Gnome
I eagerly await one, but I fear I will be waiting for some time.

You shouldn't; the last time it happened his sister had just been in an ATV accident.

And to get back on topic: I wonder if the guy who voted that God put them here for us will show? As long as we stay away from the different types of religions I believe it is ok.

[Edited on 11/29/2004 10:23:02 PM]

  • 11.29.2004 10:21 PM PDT
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I am a member of PETA.....






People for the Eating of Tasty Animals that is.

  • 11.29.2004 10:52 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Nice politically incorrect sig, merciful.

  • 11.29.2004 10:57 PM PDT
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PETA annoys me, it's not that people who have more consideration for animals annoy me, it's just that PETA takes it to an extreme. But then there's militant Greenpeace factions that sabotage GM H2 Factories, thats just awesome.

[Edited on 11/29/2004 11:20:33 PM]

  • 11.29.2004 11:20 PM PDT

Here's an idea- how about we go and sue the Wolf in Alaska that just killed a rabbit? Or maybe we should put the owl in Texas in jail for killing a mouse?

Humans killing animals for food is no different than either of those examples. It's nature; animals kill other animals to survive. If you have a problem with that, fine. Become a vegetarian.

  • 11.30.2004 4:23 AM PDT
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mmmm well if i post my views on it i might get carriecd away into a political statement.So i wont say anything beyond this.

  • 11.30.2004 5:28 AM PDT
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I said they were put by god for us. I don't want to get religous, so I can't post my reasons why. But I can post that I beleive in rights for say, a dog, whereas none for a deer.(unless its a female and pregnant or mating season) Pets are different from animals WE eat, I'm not talking about in korea or something. Hunting is fine, so is hunting for trophy purposes or just forgetting the corpse. Not all the time mind you, but now and then its fine. If it was wrong, it would be illegal. Going out of your way to kill an animal for no sporting reason or for food, is wrong. Like the topic People make me mad, that was wrong, due to no thrill of the hunt or sporting chance given to the turkey.

  • 11.30.2004 5:45 AM PDT
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I don't have a problem with it, I just think it should be done in a merciful way. I eat just as many steaks as the next guy, and I don't feel too giulty.

[Edited on 11/30/2004 6:11:20 AM]

  • 11.30.2004 6:09 AM PDT
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As far as killing animals go, I only support the killing of animals for 2 reasons: the acquirement of food, or for the testing of new and experimental drugs.

Humans are naturally omnivorous, and a certain amount of meat is needed to maitain a healthy diet. The killing of animals is essential to this process (duh!), and so it's a neccessary evil.
Also, I believe vivisection is neccessary in order to test new drugs and lifesaving techniques that are to be a benefit to human society. Any drug designed goes through hundreds of variations to its structure, all the while using animal testing, to reduce and get rid of any dangerous and potentially harmful properties of the drug. If vivisection had not been used so much, medicine would still be as backwards and unreliable as it was in the late 1800's.

My animal hurting no-nos regard: the testing of cosmetic products on animals, and killing animals for sport/fun.
Both of these no-nos come from my ethical belief that it is cruel and immoral to cause any animal unneccesary pain and suffering. The experimentation on animals for the creation of cosmetic products is I would say unneccesary, and therefore cruel and wrong. And the same goes to killing animals when you have no intention of eating the meat, or providing the meat for someone else to eat. Hunting for sport is cruel, and also places an unnatural impact on the populations of certain species, potentially disrupting ecosystems. Which is also bad.

So there you go- unless you're gonna eat the animal, or gonna use it for the greater good, you're a bad, bad person if you hurt it.

  • 11.30.2004 12:17 PM PDT
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Hunting for sport, whats wrong with that? Have you ever hunted? It is a thrill and gives a great excitement. You don't always have to eat what you kill, and I don't mean poaching. If you hunt an animal that is in over abundance or just fine as far as number left, then there should be no problem with that. If animals were smart enough to hunt us, then we couldn't stop them. We would just go on in our normal lives, and for some of us, that means hunting. To quote Ernest Hemingway- "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter" Do you beleive in war? Do you beleive in a functioning system of military, where "snipers" are included? These men "hunt", but do not eat what they kill. They have my highest respect. And yet they hunt "animals", for after all, man is an animal.

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I don't really care whether hunting is fun or not, I just believe that its immoral to cause animals pain for a 'thrill' , or any 'excitement'. And since humainty has totally -blam!- up our environment already, I believe it is our duty to minimise our further impact upon it.

And, no, I do not believe in war. It may sometimes be a neccessary evil, but that is all it should be, the most neccessary evil of all and the last resort. The only war that I have truly believed in is WWII, because it was essential that the Naz!s be stopped. Almost every other war has been for political or unseen reasons, and has been a total waste of life and resources. The only soldiers that have my full respect are the United Nations peacekeepers, as they are dedicated to mediating disputes in unstable and dangerous regions in an attempt to atain peace. Apart from those, to me any other soldier is just a hired killer, nothing more.

  • 11.30.2004 12:59 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

I like Deer bacon. It's taste is infinantly superior to that of Pig bacon.

[Edited on 11/30/2004 1:36:20 PM]

  • 11.30.2004 1:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Smoke604
The only soldiers that have my full respect are the United Nations peacekeepers, as they are dedicated to mediating disputes in unstable and dangerous regions in an attempt to atain peace. Apart from those, to me any other soldier is just a hired killer, nothing more.


In wars, people kill or are killed. They kill others to enforce their views, no matter that they may be. Technically every soldier ever fielded on a battlefield throughout human history is a hired killer. They choose to fight for what they believe in whether it be for good- or for evil. Yet, ironically, ability to discern what is good, and what is evil is entirely up to you.

Choose wisely.

  • 11.30.2004 2:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Smoke604
I don't really care whether hunting is fun or not, I just believe that its immoral to cause animals pain for a 'thrill' , or any 'excitement'. And since humainty has totally -blam!- up our environment already, I believe it is our duty to minimise our further impact upon it.
What if you kill it with a head shot, so it dies instantly? You still get the thrill with no pain for the animal. And I completely disagree with you on the soldiers being just hired killers. I find it extremely honorable that soldiers here in the U.S. and over there in the U.K. and a few other places would be willing to lay their life on the line to bring peace and democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, root out terrorists that would attempt to murder innocent civilians, and try to bring an end to the oppression that those people there have suffered. But I suppose that since the war is "political" and won't help the people at all, then it's a complete waste of time. I guess it's better to just let women have their rights stripped away, breaking of pointless laws should be punished by the most extreme measures, people that have different beliefs or views from the country's leader should be tortured or murdered, and people should just have no freedom religion.
(That last little part was sarcasm, if you couldn't figure it out.)

-Sarge

  • 11.30.2004 2:24 PM PDT

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