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Subject: Where do you stand on animal rights?
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Posted by: un gato
I belong to catagory two; as long as it is killed humanely, I don't care too much. But if no attention is paid to their deaths it should be considered a crime, as should killing without a purpose. Hunting is fine; it's the way of life for nearly every creature. I don't believe that animals should have the same quality of life as us; we should attempt to make their lives better than what they would have in the wild, though. Freedom from being hunted until the end of their lives is worth a slightly lesser existance.

Why change the equilibrium nature has set for itself? Human expansion already destroys enough habitats as it is. Animals are here for our benefit, in one way or another, because God put them there for us. That's my mindset, I voted for the seventh category.

  • 11.30.2004 7:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Banshee Barron
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Well, I said some political stuff. Sarge, if you're goin' down then I'm comin' with ya.


For what? When it comes to politics, my friend, no one will ever change their mind.


I was trying to be dramatic, dammit. I wasn't trying to get her to change her mind, I was stating that I agreed with The Sarge and that if he got banned, I'd be "going down" too, if only in spirit. ...Unless I started a huge political statement.

  • 11.30.2004 7:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Sarge
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Jesus Christ, sorry for being a pacifist....
And I'm not going to go further into detail with my opinions for fear of getting banned for being too political, but I'll just say this: to The Sarge, who mentioned Iraq...you want murder of innocent civilians? How about the 15000 (min) to 100,000 (max) estimated Iraqi civilian deaths caused by the Iraq war? Caused by 'our brave boys'. Do you find that extremely honourable?
And as for the thing you said about headshots: you're still killing an animal just for fun, and therefore I believe its still cruel. Just because we are the monkeys that became smart enough to develop technology and guns does not give us the right to murder any animal for fun.
Geez, sorry for trying to support 'my brave boys' that are fighting and dieing for the freedom I enjoy. Now you chew on this. My "headshot" comment was sarcasm. I'm sorry if you find that hard to detect. I don't even hunt. And as for your body count, that's severely overestimated. The current body count is placed between 14,563 (min) and 16,742 (max) (numbers found on www.iraqbodycount.net [try citing a source for your numbers next time]), and not all these deaths are a result of 'our brave boys,' but are also the result of "the breakdown of law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation." So I still find our soldiers honorable, despite the fact that they "murder" civilians.

If Bungie bans me for this, so be it.

-Sarge


Agreed. I would have kept my statment but I just came back from a ban, I don't really feel like being banned again so soon.

  • 11.30.2004 7:19 PM PDT
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have you ever made a contributing comment in a thread before twitch? not that im complainging though, lol.

  • 11.30.2004 7:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Casey
Posted by: Banshee Barron
Posted by: Casey
Well, I said some political stuff. Sarge, if you're goin' down then I'm comin' with ya.


For what? When it comes to politics, my friend, no one will ever change their mind.


I was trying to be dramatic, dammit. I wasn't trying to get her to change her mind, I was stating that I agreed with The Sarge and that if he got banned, I'd be "going down" too, if only in spirit. ...Unless I started a huge political statement.


Just don't go there, trust me. Politics can get people pretty riled up, so be careful what you say. You could have something on your hands that you can't handle in an instant.

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Posted by: Banshee Barron
Posted by: Casey
Posted by: Banshee Barron
Posted by: Casey
Well, I said some political stuff. Sarge, if you're goin' down then I'm comin' with ya.


For what? When it comes to politics, my friend, no one will ever change their mind.


I was trying to be dramatic, dammit. I wasn't trying to get her to change her mind, I was stating that I agreed with The Sarge and that if he got banned, I'd be "going down" too, if only in spirit. ...Unless I started a huge political statement.


Just don't go there, trust me. Politics can get people pretty riled up, so be careful what you say. You could have something on your hands that you can't handle in an instant.


Very true.

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I as a catholic believe that God put them on earth for us, what we do is up to our choosing. which is another gift from God but thats another story. I personally hunt, i eat meat all the time I think that we should only hunt the over populated animals, whenever they are in season. I will not kill any animal with a personallity like a dog or a cat yet i have no problem killing a deer or a mouse. Once agian I say that God put all things on earth for us and it is up to us to do whatever we want with it.

  • 11.30.2004 7:37 PM PDT
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Depends on certain animals. Like the ones we eat don't matter.

[Edited on 11/30/2004 7:42:43 PM]

  • 11.30.2004 7:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Twitch666
Posted by: lellowranger
have you ever made a contributing comment in a thread before twitch? not that im complainging though, lol.

but this thread is retarded its asking to turn political...political discussions are retarded online...

You have no idea how correct you are. Actually, you probably do.

  • 11.30.2004 8:25 PM PDT
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God put animals on earth for their own purposes, all of which serve us. If it tastes good I'll eat it. Anyone who kills or harms an animal out of hatred or spite or stupidity should be charged as a criminal.

  • 11.30.2004 8:40 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Posted by: lellowranger
yea, that site had no actual proof that what they were doing was illegal. and by the way, GOD as in Jesus Christ put animals on this earth for HUMAN USE AND COMSUMPTION. trust me vegan idiots, youre not gonig to hell for eating a freakin cow. now waiting to here some atheist Lisa Simpson wannabe say im wrong....now.

That was really toeing the line there, lellowranger. And while I'm no Lisa Simpson wannabe, I am an atheist. Once I see it, I'll believe it, and I've yet too see anything substantial. If you want to reply to this post, please PM me. I'd rather this ended the religious part if at all possible. Or perhaps someone here could make a chapter for discussing religion, politics, and other banned subjects. If we keep it out of the forums I don't see how it could harm anyone.

  • 11.30.2004 9:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Banshee Barron
Posted by: Casey
Well, I said some political stuff. Sarge, if you're goin' down then I'm comin' with ya.


For what? When it comes to politics, my friend, no one will ever change their mind.


Except John K.

[Edited on 11/30/2004 10:45:31 PM]

  • 11.30.2004 10:41 PM PDT
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Yumm steak is good...:)

[Edited on 11/30/2004 10:50:16 PM]

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Posted by: lellowranger

spoken like a true hippie. those civilians most likely would have been hostile, or terrorists. and he wasnt serious about wanting deaths retard. SARCASM, use it. understand it.


I'm not a hippy, I just believe that war is both wrong and a waste. And for that I will not apologise. 'Most likely hostile, or terrorists'? If that was the case, they would be classed as Iraqi insurgent casualties wouldn't you think?
If you actually READ every post in this topic, you will see that The Sarge didn't want any deaths, he just mentioned 'the murder of innocent civilians', and I supplied him with an example. He then used sarcasm, which I both recognised and understood. YOUR EYES 'retard', use them.

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Posted by: un gato
[quote]Posted by: lellowranger
Or perhaps someone here could make a chapter for discussing religion, politics, and other banned subjects. If we keep it out of the forums I don't see how it could harm anyone.
That's not a half bad idea. With all the Chapters out there, it wouldn't surprise me if there already was one made. I'm always interested in debate, and since I'm always on Bungie.net, a Chapter devoted to debate of controversial subjects would be convenient.

-Sarge

  • 12.01.2004 2:26 PM PDT
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I eat meat. I like meat. I hate when people kill animals for fun with no intention of putting it to good use after it's dead. There are idiots out there that grill kittens and bury their puppies alive, now that's cruel. It it's a fast death, and will be used for food, then it's not so bad.

  • 12.01.2004 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Atsumi
I eat meat. I like meat. I hate when people kill animals for fun with no intention of putting it to good use after it's dead. There are idiots out there that grill kittens and bury their puppies alive, now that's cruel. It it's a fast death, and will be used for food, then it's not so bad.


Well I hate kittens so there is no problem with that. lol j/k. But really, I do hate cats. I'm more of a dog person.

  • 12.01.2004 3:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: un gato
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I hope you're joking Obbi. It's a cruel and painful thing to watch an animal suffer.


Oh, I don't watch. I leave it out and forget about it.


*sigh*

Sigh indeed.
You have to get used to Obbi. Very rarely does he utter a serious word, but when he does you can tell.


isnt Obbi a girl, and This obbi person sounds pretty cool cause thats kinda funny.

  • 12.01.2004 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Atsumi
I eat meat. I like meat. I hate when people kill animals for fun with no intention of putting it to good use after it's dead. There are idiots out there that grill kittens and bury their puppies alive, now that's cruel. It it's a fast death, and will be used for food, then it's not so bad.


Well I hate kittens so there is no problem with that. lol j/k. But really, I do hate cats. I'm more of a dog person.

It shouldn't matter whether the person likes what kind of animal it is or not.
I for one hate snakes, but if I see one, I don't go killing them anytime I see them.
Me, my sister and some of her friends went down to a cave down the road. On the way to the bottom of the hill you go in at, we saw a harmless black snake. Well we were throwing rocks near it to scare it off, not trying to hit it or anything... well one of my sister's friends decided to find the biggest rocks and actually throw it at the snakes head trying to kill it. We were all yelling at her telling her to stop and she wouldn't listen... I smacked her across the face. That changed her mind. >.>

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Posted by: shadowdevil86
Posted by: un gato
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Posted by: Rabid Gnome
I hope you're joking Obbi. It's a cruel and painful thing to watch an animal suffer.


Oh, I don't watch. I leave it out and forget about it.


*sigh*

Sigh indeed.
You have to get used to Obbi. Very rarely does he utter a serious word, but when he does you can tell.


isnt Obbi a girl, and This obbi person sounds pretty cool cause thats kinda funny.

No, Obbi is a guy. (most of the time)

  • 12.01.2004 3:24 PM PDT

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