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Subject: what do you think about double shooting...idk if this has been posted
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Poll: Double shooting is....  [closed]
4 people that cant play halo the bungie meant:  33%
(24 Votes)
4 stupid people that think theyre cool:  24%
(17 Votes)
4 awesome halo players:  26%
(19 Votes)
4 mlgs...:  17%
(12 Votes)
Total Votes: 72

.....imo double shooting is cheap and not the way halo 2 is meant to be played

  • 08.31.2007 12:07 AM PDT

what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...

  • 08.31.2007 12:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


Dumbest thing ever said by anyone on any forum.

The top 8 and most likely top 16 teams will remain the top 8 or 16 teams for a long time. No random online team is gonna pull a 5k any time soon. The teams now are not pro just because they double shoot. It is amazing teamwork, strategy, communication, knowledge, and skill. Just like all the top Halo CE teams were still the top halo 2 teams (the ones that didn't quit) for a long time into halo 2's existence.

Just like the top halo 1 teams remained the top halo 2 teams for a long time, the top halo 2 teams will be the top halo 3 teams for a long time.

[Edited on 08.31.2007 12:23 AM PDT]

  • 08.31.2007 12:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


You obviously don't realize what it takes for the pros to be so good. It's not button glitches that makes them good. It's all the practice, team work, and advanced knowledge that they have that makes them the best. I wouldn't doubt they'll be the best in Halo 3 either.

  • 08.31.2007 12:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


Ignorance...pure and total ignorance. They only use the glitches because the Tournament allows them. Without the glitches they are still the best at the game.

  • 08.31.2007 12:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


Dumbest thing ever said by anyone on any forum.

The top 8 and most likely top 16 teams will remain the top 8 or 16 teams for a long time. No random online team is gonna pull a 5k any time soon. The teams now are not pro just because they double shoot. It is amazing teamwork, strategy, communication, knowledge, and skill. Just like all the top Halo CE teams were still the top halo 2 teams (the ones that didn't quit) for a long time into halo 2's existence.

Just like the top halo 1 teams remained the top halo 2 teams for a long time, the top halo 2 teams will be the top halo 3 teams for a long time.

  • 08.31.2007 12:24 AM PDT

WAT is this i dont even

FOR TEH STOOOOOOOOOOOPID PEOPL;E @)

  • 08.31.2007 12:24 AM PDT
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Dubul shotin is 4 teh good payers hoo r real good nd r lejit phiphtees tey r totallee fayr cuz bungee poot tem in teh -blam!-m

  • 08.31.2007 2:40 AM PDT

Well, you're right that it's not the way the game was meant to be played, and if you use it on someone who doesn't know it or follows the rules banning it then cheap it most certainly is. Not just cheap even, but cheating.

But conversely if, say, 8 guys get together on LAN or in a custom and all agree double shot is a valid tactic, where is the problem in any of them using it on each other?

This is the situation as I see it.

  • 08.31.2007 3:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


Dumbest thing ever said by anyone on any forum.

The top 8 and most likely top 16 teams will remain the top 8 or 16 teams for a long time. No random online team is gonna pull a 5k any time soon. The teams now are not pro just because they double shoot. It is amazing teamwork, strategy, communication, knowledge, and skill. Just like all the top Halo CE teams were still the top halo 2 teams (the ones that didn't quit) for a long time into halo 2's existence.

Just like the top halo 1 teams remained the top halo 2 teams for a long time, the top halo 2 teams will be the top halo 3 teams for a long time.

  • 08.31.2007 3:16 AM PDT

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your poll choices are bad, they all carry your opinion on the subject. Double shot isnt cheap if you ask me, its not hard to do but it can be difficult to master. the introduction of bxr, bxb and rrxyy have created a skill gap that alot of people welcome, and has kept people playing a game that has been out for long ass time.

my suggestion to you, if you cannot or will not do it, then strafe. unless the person shooting you is playing claw style he cant aim effectivly while doing it.

  • 08.31.2007 3:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Brian Boitano
Dubul shotin is 4 teh good payers hoo r real good nd r lejit phiphtees tey r totallee fayr cuz bungee poot tem in teh -blam!-m
bungie also "poot" out a downloadable spellchecker, maybe you should use it.

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Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


*smacks head repeatedly*

no, No, NO.

When are people gonna understand that button glitches don't make you pro? Quote me on this- the majority of the current Halo 2 pros and big names will be just as big in Halo 3. Seriously, quote me.

Oh and take the X's out of your name Chaos, you don't deserve them >:-O

  • 08.31.2007 5:13 AM PDT
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No it doesn't make you a pro. But it sure helps them. Helps alot of players. The pros still will be pros. Button glitching is still cheap, I don't do it, but i don't complain when others do either. If you need to do that to beat me then so be it.

  • 08.31.2007 6:22 AM PDT

Posted by: brownish pile253
Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


Dumbest thing ever said by anyone on any forum.


Just like the top halo 1 teams remained the top halo 2 teams for a long time, the top halo 2 teams will be the top halo 3 teams for a long time.


That's just because they know every inch of a map and have a different strategy for every map and every gametype. they practice a lot and that's how they are so good. If FB played a random semi-pro team in Halo 3 just after the realease, there victory won't be as convincing as in Halo 2, if they would even win, of course.

  • 08.31.2007 6:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: brownish pile253
Posted by: PaNdEm0nIuM0415
what are the "pros" gonna do when halo 3 comes out.....no double shot, bxr, noob combo,......they wont be pro anymore...


Dumbest thing ever said by anyone on any forum.


Just like the top halo 1 teams remained the top halo 2 teams for a long time, the top halo 2 teams will be the top halo 3 teams for a long time.


That's just because they know every inch of a map and have a different strategy for every map and every gametype. they practice a lot and that's how they are so good. If FB played a random semi-pro team in Halo 3 just after the realease, there victory won't be as convincing as in Halo 2, if they would even win, of course.


What you just described is why they're pro. There's more to being pro than aiming well and having amazing accuracy and moves. You have to know each inch of the map and weapon spawns, weapon times, and good areas to camp/cover.

If FB played a random semi pro team, chances are their raw skills in aiming, coupled with their knowledge of Halo teamwork would get them the win.

And yes, a lot of pros played the Beta, and a lot cruised to 50's (like TimeliestBrute who only lost one game on his way to 50.)

  • 08.31.2007 9:40 AM PDT
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH you people are complete retards, you serioulsy think that halo2 is meant to be played with double shots? my god, you guys are out of your minds, I cant believe some of you ppl think that they would still be pro when "most" completly rely on the double. now do i think that some of them will be good. Yes. but most of them will keep there sorry double shot skills right here at halo 2. wow, ppl amaze me with there stupidity. and if you agree with the double shot, then i personally think you do not deserve a copy of halo 3. as a matter of fact if you do. you need to paly a game with me so i can avoid you. and if you also think bungie put it in on purpose then........ hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • 08.31.2007 11:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: achillez 07
HAHAHAHAHAHAH you people are complete retards, you serioulsy think that halo2 is meant to be played with double shots? my god, you guys are out of your minds, I cant believe some of you ppl think that they would still be pro when "most" completly rely on the double. now do i think that some of them will be good. Yes. but most of them will keep there sorry double shot skills right here at halo 2. wow, ppl amaze me with there stupidity. and if you agree with the double shot, then i personally think you do not deserve a copy of halo 3. as a matter of fact if you do. you need to paly a game with me so i can avoid you. and if you also think bungie put it in on purpose then........ hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


You're waaay off base.

1.) Who said Halo 2 was meant to be played with double shots? We all know that according to the Terms of Use, it's cheating, but people do it anyway.

2.) Um, change the word "most" to "none."

Yes, NONE of the pros rely on Double Shots to win. What's going to win you a match-
a.) Someone on your team who can double shot
b.) A team of four with amazing teamwork who teamshoot

In case you don't know, the answer is "B." A double shot isn't going to do jack against three people all shooting you, now is it? The answer is "No," just in case you need clarity.

3.) I find it funny people say the pros are going to suck at Halo 3 because they can't double shot. Guess what? They're still amazing at the game (or the Beta at least.)

I played with Igoturpistola (thanks to Orgasmic getting me in his party) and he got 30 kills by himself. Did he double shot? Uh.......NO

TimeliestBrute got a 50 in slayer and only lost one game. Did he double shot? NO.

Walshy and Ogre 2 won the Shadowrun Tournament. Can you double shot in ShadowRun? NOOOOOO

Want to know why they're pro? Because they have amazing teamwork and know how to play the game and rarely make bad in-game decisions. A double shot here and there don't make you pro at all.

In fact, I have some article that completely disprove all you who are ignorant to this. It's interesting really, it's a blog about a kid who went to MLG and could double shot better than just about anyone there. Guess what? He got knocked out 2nd round. For those that don't know, that's not good.

Why did he get knocked out second round, I though double shotting meant you win? No. He got knocked out because he didn't play the game right, despite the fact he had every button glitch down pat.

Bottom line- button glitches don't make you pro, and don't make you good. The pros don't button glitch that often, they rarely do at all. And take it from someone who knows what they're talking about, I've actually watched VoD as opposed to making random assumptions that have no credit or evidence.

I can't wait for Halo 3 to come out and watch the pros dominate it too. It'll be interesting what people find to blame on them for their success.

"They're only pro because they can use the weapons better, if I could I would be pro too!!!"

Sigh.


  • 08.31.2007 11:14 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Button glitches DO NOT make a player good, they just give the good players more options in certian situations. The only problem I have with button gltches is that when they became popular, players who were still developing started using them to bail themselves out of situations where they normally would have died because they made a stupid mistake or their teammate made one. Instead of learning the proper way to work as a team or learning how to react to certian situations and make good decisions, most "leet" players just seem to resort to button glitching to get them through.

For a while I was teaching basic MLG lessons and every time I got a new student, it seemed that the only thing they wanted to learn or the only thing they cared about were the glitches. I had to drop most of them because they simply couldnt understand that you need to develop your current arsenal of skills before you attempt to add new ones. The old addage applies "youve gotta crawl before you walk". Sure, being able to double shoot every time you come across someone will get you alot of kills, but it wont make you a better player, in the end youll be just as stupid as you were when you started. Being a truly good, truly talented and well rounded MLG player takes alot of time and dedication. Thats why FB's old team name was Team 3D (Desire, Discipline, Dedication). Its not an easy road and it takes a long time.

Now for the other subject that was addressed in here about teams like FB not being as good at H3 as they are at H2 because of button glitches. All im going to say about that is that I DARE you to play them on the release date. They know just as much about the game at this point as anyone else, its their teamwork, reaction time, ability to handle stressful situations and communication that make them that good.

  • 08.31.2007 11:17 AM PDT
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Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.

Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

  • 08.31.2007 11:18 AM PDT

I have come across people on this board who say that double shots have helped their game immensely. I am not sure that they just use it because they are pros... I think they use it and it helps a great deal. If it were taken out now, I think you'd see not only a significant number of pros falling, but a lot more people who DON'T exploit the glitch rising to the top.

  • 08.31.2007 11:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: An average gamer
I have come across people on this board who say that double shots have helped their game immensely. I am not sure that they just use it because they are pros... I think they use it and it helps a great deal. If it were taken out now, I think you'd see not only a significant number of pros falling, but a lot more people who DON'T exploit the glitch rising to the top.


Ok, I'm going to explain this to you rationally:

Go to Mlgpro.com and watch some VoD. You'll notice:

Team Shooting

Set ups

Call outs

Strategy

Good reaction time

TEAM WORK

I promise you you'll see maybe three or four double shots the entire game. You need to understand- pros DON'T rely on button combos to win. It's simple.

  • 08.31.2007 11:23 AM PDT

That's all well and good, but I'm hardly accusing all pros of using the combos. I was stating that people do uses these things as a method of simply bailing themselves out of trouble. I know not EVERY pro cheats, but I think Matchmaking and the rest of the community is filled with people who exploit the glitch to help themselves out of their own stupidity. This prevents people who are going to make the kill from advancing.

Heck, I had it happen to me in a BTB team slayer match. The guy I was fighting on the staircase right inside the Zanzibar base was almost dead, so after he tried to doubleshot me (which I managed to dodge), he was able to lunge down the stairs and BXR me.

If people didn't have the option of getting instant kills like that, I think other players could advance. I'm not saying I would. I suck. Others could though.

  • 08.31.2007 11:31 AM PDT
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BGs don't make the pros good, they are just something that the pros do. When will people learn that the pros now ill be pros in Halo 3? I'm already in another flame war about this in another thread and oh so many people are wrong about button glitches. BGs don't make the player.

  • 08.31.2007 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: An average gamer
That's all well and good, but I'm hardly accusing all pros of using the combos. I was stating that people do uses these things as a method of simply bailing themselves out of trouble. I know not EVERY pro cheats, but I think Matchmaking and the rest of the community is filled with people who exploit the glitch to help themselves out of their own stupidity. This prevents people who are going to make the kill from advancing.

Heck, I had it happen to me in a BTB team slayer match. The guy I was fighting on the staircase right inside the Zanzibar base was almost dead, so after he tried to doubleshot me (which I managed to dodge), he was able to lunge down the stairs and BXR me.

If people didn't have the option of getting instant kills like that, I think other players could advance. I'm not saying I would. I suck. Others could though.


I see what you're saying, but you have to recognize that at this point everyone who is above average may use the button glitches. So if you take it away, there wouldn't be a drop off in any established pro/semi pro.

Hmm, I don't know if I'm explaining it right though.......lemme try again-

Basically everyone who has the chance at being good, or demonstrates higher skill in this game has already sized themselves up to the competition. The button glitches can further seperate some from others, yes. There are those out there who do rely on them (a very small minority) and if you take them out it would change their style of play.

But .......like you get to a certain point where you're going to see people button glitching, but they may not be good at it, or can't get anywhere with it because this game is more about team work.

Ah, I just thought of the perfect example- me (Iceman.)

I can't double shot worth crap (I don't even bother trying) yet I get out BR'ed by good people because they can aim better than me, or has a nicer strafe than me.

I get outskilled all the time because people have more experience than me. Take away the button glitches and nothing's going to change really.

  • 08.31.2007 11:45 AM PDT

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