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Subject: Stop complaining about host advantage.
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Ok listen console-bred children, any game that uses peer to peer system instead of dedicated servers is going to have a host with an advantage because his ping is going to be 0, whereas everyone else has a lag because of the time it takes their packets to get sent to the host. Yes everyone knows this, yet you still complain because apparently you think dedicated servers is a possible option for the Halo series, when it's not, or that somehow more needs to be done to eliminate host advantage, which is impossible.

Halo 2's host advantage is the lowest out of any peer to peer fps every created, and if you honestly think there's anything that can be done about it or that it's bungie's fault that host advantage exists(even though Bungie has put auto-aim in Halo to help remove the host advantage) then you are an idiot.

  • 09.01.2007 9:35 AM PDT
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I gotta agree with what's his name here. You wanna see host advantage, go play Rainbow Six. There's nearly a full second difference between server and client. Halo has no noticeable advantage.

  • 09.01.2007 9:37 AM PDT
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to the original post.... I have absolutely no clue what you said in your post. What does all of that mean??? I don't understand any of it. The only thing I know is that everytime I am in a game and I hear people talking about having Host.... I hear people say that since they have Host they automatically think they are going to win the game!! I do not believe this.

  • 09.01.2007 10:06 AM PDT
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Good thread. Just so you know, it IS noticeable, I mean come on, the host does have a few things on their side, aka a working shotgun...

But given the system they have, it does work pretty well. Actually, what people SHOULD be complaining about is ISPs and shoddy service - if everyone has a great connection then the host advantage is nearly negligible, you're talking pings of like, 20-30. Once pings hit 80-ish, it gets to be a tad more noticeable, and over 150 you start to have some bigger problems. I don't even know where I'm headed at this point, so i will stfu.

  • 09.01.2007 10:11 AM PDT
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I think this is just completely subjective on your part. You are taking your position and your experience in halo 2 and came to the conclusion that host is not bad. You are rediculous for posting this. You probably have a really good connection almost all of your games so you have not had to deal with the cruel reality of host. Let me tell you from what i have read, delt with on another internet connection, and online discussions while in halo 2 matchmaking that host is a huge advantage that should be acounted for.

All games have auto-aiming in them; nearly. So your statement towards this being bungie's form of making up for host is retarded and untrue. If they were trying to make up for host advantage they would be changing game variants in matchmaking so that the host couldnt have or utilize its large advantage.

Halo 3, from what i heard, i could be wrong, but i would be shocked if bungie didnt correct their server issues. I heard from many people, and on many forums that halo 3 is a dedicated server. There is no reason why bungie should not create a dedicated especially after halo 2.

Dont compare halo 2 to any other first person shooter when it has over six million people playing it. I have never heard anyone say that host was good or that it should remain. Six million fans agree host ruins halo live experience, especially when you know the game well enough to know what should be a kill and what shouldnt be.

Lastly, why is it that pro games are not ever held or occuring online....possibly because they have to rule out any and all host advantage.

Think you need to step outside of mommy and daddy's fifty dollar a month highspeed cable internet and realize most people online are getting cheated out of wins even when they are clearly, on their screen, winning every dual.

  • 09.01.2007 10:20 AM PDT
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In the higher ranks, which team has host pretty much makes or breaks the game.

  • 09.01.2007 11:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Done DL
In the higher ranks, which team has host pretty much makes or breaks the game.

Unless its an objective game and people work as a good team.. but that never happens..

  • 09.01.2007 11:18 AM PDT
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Dude, relax. Please man.

I agree with the original post. I have no idea how to tell who has host, and I don't care. If my connection bar is in the green or high yellow, I'm game to play and do well. The only time I notice host advantage and lag is when my connection is in the red. Past that, you just gotta deal with it and try to compensate... LEAD YOUR TARGET!!!!! Besides, what do you think our friends outside the US have to deal with? Its worse for them, but they seem to be the ones doing the least complaining about lag and host. Long story short, the game works, host advantage isn't that bad because if it were, 250,000 PEOPLE A DAY WOULDN'T BE PLAYING HALO2 BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE FUN AND BUNGIE WOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS!!!!!! So, all those people who always complain about host; calm down, eat some fruit or something, and try to remember we play this game to have fun.

  • 09.01.2007 11:19 AM PDT
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Your my hero.

I'v been saying this for years. The ONLY time host makes a diffrerence is when he/she is in a Guass Cannon or Shot gun

  • 09.01.2007 11:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Yx TheSorrow xY
Your my hero.

I'v been saying this for years. The ONLY time host makes a diffrerence is when he/she is in a Guass Cannon or Shot gun

Wrong.

  • 09.01.2007 11:25 AM PDT
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Mind telling me why?

Or can you not come up with somthing?

  • 09.01.2007 11:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Done DL
In the higher ranks, which team has host pretty much makes or breaks the game.

Unless its an objective game and people work as a good team.. but that never happens..


Actually in objective games host tends to be even worse, well not as much if its a Team Hardcore objective game. But in pretty much every Team Skirmish game, the game/round can be won by just winning the first battle and then spawn killing them. And that's a lot easier if your team has host.

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Posted by: Yx TheSorrow xY
Mind telling me why?

Or can you not come up with somthing?


Host has advantage in everything. Play as host and pull the left trigger to throw a grenade, its instant. Do that offhost and it varies in split seconds. When you're host you're playing real time, while everyone else is a split second or so behind, which is a great advantage. That's why some BS stuff happens, like if you melee them first and you still die, or when you stick them right before you die and it disappears. Host sniper can actually shoot across the map, melees connect most of the time. I can pretty much create a giant list of host advantages, but thats just to name a few.

  • 09.01.2007 11:33 AM PDT
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Sure ill tell you.

Host has a much better BR.
Bigger grenade explosions
Shotgun range is farther
You can grenade jump
Longer sword reach
Better meelees
Longer sniper reach
Just to name some..



[Edited on 09.01.2007 11:35 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Done DL
Posted by: Yx TheSorrow xY
Mind telling me why?

Or can you not come up with somthing?


Host has advantage in everything. Play as host and pull the left trigger to throw a grenade, its instant. Do that offhost and it varies in split seconds. When you're host you're playing real time, while everyone else is a split second or so behind, which is a great advantage. That's why some BS stuff happens, like if you melee them first and you still die, or when you stick them right before you die and it disappears. Host sniper can actually shoot across the map, melees connect most of the time. I can pretty much create a giant list of host advantages, but thats just to name a few.


If timed the time is takes host to throw a grenade and a normal person to throw a grenade, the difference would be miniscule. Unless YOUR conn. sucks and YOUR lagging (As in beeing YOUR fault).

And as much fun as aruging on an internet fourm is I'v got better things to do, goodbye.

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Posted by: Wrecktified
Sure ill tell you.

Host has a much better BR.
Bigger grenade explosions
Shotgun range is farther
You can grenade jump
Longer sword reach
Better meelees
Longer sniper reach
Just to name some..

All of the differences between the host and a normal person are so small it hardly makes one. Find some other reason to blame for yourself losing for once.

  • 09.01.2007 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Done DL
Posted by: Wrecktified
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In the higher ranks, which team has host pretty much makes or breaks the game.

Unless its an objective game and people work as a good team.. but that never happens..


Actually in objective games host tends to be even worse, well not as much if its a Team Hardcore objective game. But in pretty much every Team Skirmish game, the game/round can be won by just winning the first battle and then spawn killing them. And that's a lot easier if your team has host.

At your ranks maybe. Team Hardcore is dependant on which team has host for slayer. If its CTF on midship, all it takes is team work.
Considering most people at my levels arent great, including me.

SWAT host is the worst. Especially on CTF games.

Team skirmish, I havent done a game of... But most people on halo 2 cant use the host advantage as much as they can.

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  • 09.01.2007 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Yx TheSorrow xY
Mind telling me why?

Or can you not come up with somthing?


Host has advantage in everything. Play as host and pull the left trigger to throw a grenade, its instant. Do that offhost and it varies in split seconds. When you're host you're playing real time, while everyone else is a split second or so behind, which is a great advantage. That's why some BS stuff happens, like if you melee them first and you still die, or when you stick them right before you die and it disappears. Host sniper can actually shoot across the map, melees connect most of the time. I can pretty much create a giant list of host advantages, but thats just to name a few.


If timed the time is takes host to throw a grenade and a normal person to throw a grenade, the difference would be miniscule. Unless YOUR conn. sucks and YOUR lagging (As in beeing YOUR fault).

And as much fun as aruging on an internet fourm is I'v got better things to do, goodbye.



That miniscule time pretty much means getting killed or getting the kill. In Halo and Most FPS's split seconds are vital. I'm sorry if you don't play at a high enough level to realize how much advantage host has. I can show you first hand if you want, I'll beat you 25-0 using only grenades and melee while having host.

  • 09.01.2007 11:40 AM PDT
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Dude, you could beat him without host.
But that wold contradict the point of it.

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Well you said it yourself, most people at your level aren't great, so they won't even realize host or use its potential.

  • 09.01.2007 11:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: Yx TheSorrow xY
Posted by: Wrecktified
Sure ill tell you.

Host has a much better BR.
Bigger grenade explosions
Shotgun range is farther
You can grenade jump
Longer sword reach
Better meelees
Longer sniper reach
Just to name some..

All of the differences between the host and a normal person are so small it hardly makes one. Find some other reason to blame for yourself losing for once.



Stop being ignorant. he never said he loses because of host. fact is, host has many advantages, and they can determine the outcome of a game. Even in MLG, where its one amazing team vs another, host can be HUGE, and that's with a goddamn LAN host, which isn't nearly as advantageous as an Xbox Live host. At the lower levels, host can easily be countered, but once you start playing players with equal skill and very good teamwork, host can be huge in the outcome of a game.

  • 09.01.2007 11:44 AM PDT
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There is a host advantage in Halo 2.
It is very slight though.

And also, in most of my experiences, Host is a disavantage. When you have host, explosions make you fly up a little or to the side, and if you don't have host explosions don't affect your jumps. But, let's say you're coming up Lockout Sniper shortcut. You jump, someone throws a nade, it blows up under your feet, you go flying off to the side and over the edge cause of host. Same happens a lot with fuel canisters and other -blam!-. If I got a quarter for everytime this happened to me, I'd have a fair bit additional money in my pocket.

  • 09.01.2007 11:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: ARC Sebastian
There is a host advantage in Halo 2.
It is very slight though.

And also, in most of my experiences, Host is a disavantage. When you have host, explosions make you fly up a little or to the side, and if you don't have host explosions don't affect your jumps. But, let's say you're coming up Lockout Sniper shortcut. You jump, someone throws a nade, it blows up under your feet, you go flying off to the side and over the edge cause of host. Same happens a lot with fuel canisters and other -blam!-. If I got a quarter for everytime this happened to me, I'd have a fair bit additional money in my pocket.


It's not a slight advantage, it's a huge advantage.
That host explosion thing is pretty much the only disadvantage of being host, aside from not being able to do automatic reload glitches.

  • 09.01.2007 11:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: Done DL
Posted by: ARC Sebastian
There is a host advantage in Halo 2.
It is very slight though.

And also, in most of my experiences, Host is a disavantage. When you have host, explosions make you fly up a little or to the side, and if you don't have host explosions don't affect your jumps. But, let's say you're coming up Lockout Sniper shortcut. You jump, someone throws a nade, it blows up under your feet, you go flying off to the side and over the edge cause of host. Same happens a lot with fuel canisters and other -blam!-. If I got a quarter for everytime this happened to me, I'd have a fair bit additional money in my pocket.


It's not a slight advantage, it's a huge advantage.
That host explosion thing is pretty much the only disadvantage of being host, aside from not being able to do automatic reload glitches.


LOL YEAH ? WELL UR -blam!-

  • 09.01.2007 11:52 AM PDT
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Has anyone else noticed that only *bad* people say host has small/no/(certain advantage goes here) advantages?
I think they should be working on their rank instead of being here...

  • 09.01.2007 11:53 AM PDT

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