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Posted by: Master_Dragon
"Andrew_ribbons. I remember you perfectly. I also remember that you're a few years younger then I am."

And? I'm not impressed by either elitistism nor ageism so well...that comment goes does not do you any favours in my book. Is there anything childish about what I say? Is not believing exactly what you believe a sign of immaturity?
No, it just means he's saying he's played more games than you.

  • 09.05.2007 11:56 AM PDT

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Oh yes, i forgot most people of age 60 have played 3 times more games than those of age 20! We all play them at the same rate, of course!

Lol.

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Posted by: Master_Dragon
Oh yes, i forgot most people of age 60 have played 3 times more games than those of age 20! We all play them at the same rate, of course!

Lol.
Did you just call Agamemnon 60? J/k.

  • 09.05.2007 12:22 PM PDT
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And? I'm not impressed by either elitistism nor ageism so well...that comment goes does not do you any favours in my book. Is there anything childish about what I say? Is not believing exactly what you believe a sign of immaturity? No, it's simply the way I look at things being different to your own.
You started it off. Did you not remember? You walked into this as a response acting like as if I didn't have the experience in the FPS genre to know what I was talking about. You then listed the FPS games you've played. I did the same. Was there something you didn't understand in your own tactics being used against you?

I don't know what you personally were expecting from this to be quite frank, short of a remake of the whole game which, come on, it was never gunna happen. I agree we waited too long, i agree it was by far not a stellar port in terms of performance optimisation (there are very few bugs). Those two things i can accept.
I cannot and WON'T. I will NOT have my intelligence insulted by buying the very same damn game with bigger requirements then the console version. I REFUSE to turn a deaf ear on people who find nothing wrong with that as well. There is nothing in this port that suggests a considerable effort was put into it, so why the hell should I have to pay a price that I would have to pay for a brand-new game that had an exponential amount of effort put into it? This game should've been priced according to its effort and its age, which should've put it around $15 or $20, not a spanking $50. I will NOT look away from such a disgrace on the gaming world as something like that, and I plan to educate people on that little bit.

I, in fact, like the music more than anything else. That is my no.1 favourite aspect to Halo games, curtiousy of that great man Marty O'Donnell. I also like the story, and have read every single Halo novel, including the latest Ghosts of Onyx, which i found superb considering it's a game-based novel, not the other way around.
It's a game based off of ideas that have already been done. The story itself is beyond recycled to the point of pillaging the old FPS hounds that revolutionized the genre. For one, there's Ring World, and second, there's the glaring resemblances to Starcraft/Alien/Predator/Warhammer. The story element isn't even new! The only thing that was new was the music, which I do agree, is the only thing that did anything for the game. But do not insult my intelligence, nor yours for that matter. It's a matter of forgotten relics of old that makes this game so huge because its fan base is that of children who are so ignorant in history that even when they are faced with the truth behind this game that they scream and foam at the mouth because their Jesus has been crucified.

I do like some of the moments in the game too, they're not only original and sometimes spectacular, but also thought provoking. Have you made the human-religious connections which are being subtly infered during the story?
This. Is. Not. New. Nor. Is. It. Ground-breaking. It has been done to DEATH. To freaking death. I am not going to sit there and chew on the same piece of steak I was chewing on five years ago.

I could say your take on Halo 2 is somewhat shallow in fact.
Oh, I'm so sorry if it bothers you that I'm not agreed among the faceless masses that big explosions and a bad-ass main character is not only something that has been done to the depths below six feet, but because the balance was destroyed. The game was rushed, it was unpolished, and it broke sales records. To this day it is populated by children who probably couldn't find themselves out of a cardboard box, even if they were given a map and a compass. So you'll have to excuse me that not only is a flawed game not on my "It's God-olicious!" list of games, but also the fan base because of how rabid it is.

So what it's not a brilliant port?
I didn't want it to be brilliant, I wanted it to be something above dog shi.t.

it's also a lot better polished than the Xbox version.
Do NOT feed me that. I am not eating crap. The button glitches, the imbalances in weapons, and NOTHING in game play was tweaked in this port. Not a single damn thing. People can quad shot with a single click of the mouse now because of marcoing keys, so do not tell me anything good has changed.

Why is it wrong for me to enjoy a good story?
There is nothing wrong with you enjoying a good story, but we're not talking about the story, now are we? Stay on topic. You started this thread to defend the game, not the story. I replied in kind to express what was really going on with this port.

You say you're so much older, so what's with the childish pissing-up-the-wall contest? I don't care what games you have, i wasn't even directing that comment straight at you in particular...
Then why even state it? You obviously did it as a statement in your credentials, and so when I fired back the same tactic you shot at me with, you're getting hot and bothered about it? Make up your mind. Your either keeping on topic, or you're going to argue about who I am. I would rather you'd keep to the topic at which you actually know about.

i too have played the N64 (and SNES and Gamecube and PS2 and Xbox etc...) and in fact Goldeneye, it wasn't THAT great...
Are you kidding me? Goldeneye INVENTED split-screen mutliplay on the consoles. It DEFINED the FPS genre on the consoles. When people look back on the FPS genre on the PC, they look at Doom. When people look back on the FPS genre on the console, they will look at Goldeneye. You can open up ANY gaming magazine for that one.

I don't see how you can far beat Half Life 2 anyway, i agree that's definitely a better game, i never said it wasn't, personally i think that is THE best FPS, but that's beside the point.
That makes one of us, because I certainly don't believe Half-Life 2 is flawless. Far from it actually, especially when you factor in Steam.

Anyway, I used to respect you as someone who was consistant and reliably intelligent. The usage of animal-cruelty in an arguement discussing video games (unless of course you're talking about Sony...) is one of the most absurd things i've ever heard of. Do you say to people who have different enviro-political opinions to you "Ahh yes but in Japan they used to and sometimes still do torture their prisoners-of-war by plucking their fingernails off, that's obviously a reason not to trust the international Kyoto agreement"? If you're going to back yourself up on something, at least find something worthy of comparison. Animal cruelty and sci-fi video games are two completely different matters, now can you believe that? You don't have to believe it in fact, they just ARE.
Stop looking at one side of a six-sided cube. Step back and open your other eye. The comparison stands in the FACT of opinion in liking something in which is FACTUALLY considered by numerous people that is absolutely grotesque is WRONG. Animal torture is disgusting, and so is this port. Do you see the resemblance now? I hope I don't have to make this simpler for you, and I hope you really can see beyond your baseless assumptions on me.

You want a bad port? You REALLY want to see what bad porting is all about? Ok, go play Resident Evil 4 on the PC. I would LOVE to see the look on your face when you start THAT one up. Or Lost Planet, another brilliant slop-job.
This is NOT a matter of, "Timmy did it too, so he should get in trouble just as much as I will!" Developers should NOT hide behind others doing much worse jobs then they are doing. Someone shouldn't say, "Hey, at least it's not RE4." They SHOULD be saying, "What the HELL were they thinking with this?" We are in our seventh generation in gaming and our intelligence is being insulted on silly first generation gaming mistakes. And you know what's the worst part of it? People don't give a damn about it!

As ports go, this one is fairly average. There are many things i'd have liked BETTER about it. As games go however, i think it is a very good one.
FAIRLY AVERAGE? Tell me, what ports that you DON'T consider bad DIDN'T include a fair amount of new content and game play changing effects? Tell me what "fairly average" port out there changed NOTHING from its original game. Tell me what "fairly average" port priced the SAME EXACT CONTENT at its original game price nearly THREE YEARS AGO. These should be blaring sirens going off in your head that should be screaming, "Mediocore marketing!" not "Hey, this was a good game on the console, I'd be willing to pay $50 for the same experience all over again."

  • 09.05.2007 12:31 PM PDT
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I'd just like to remind you this is a video game Agamemnon, not a matter of life or death. It doesn't matter whether or not anyone enjoys it, it really doesn't make any difference at all to the situation as a whole. Games are wastes of time. They're fun wastes of time, but nothing of benefit to society's progress comes out of playing them.
Are you on crack? The video game business is an exponentially growing business in our economy as it is, and it puts food on the table for NUMEROUS people, and their families too. You honestly think the majority of these game developers are people that want to "waste time?" A very damn good majority of them went to earn degrees at universities so they could make a profession out of this. To blatantly disregard them as a hobby is beyond ignorant. Microsoft obviously doesn't seem to take this as "a waste of time," especially if their newest operating system was designed with a side show of video gaming as well. Millions upon millions of dollars are spent and earned in this highly competitive business. If you actually think that people subjugating themselves to blind corporate greed is nothing serious, then you should seriously take a look at yourself and question who you really are.

Taking them so seriously as to use words as strong as "travesty" in the said context, could be an indication to the decline of your mental health, and i seriously advise you consider a good long walk to get some fresh air, and getting rid of some of that angst.
You seriously just lost all credibility in my book right there. I go to college, have a fiance, and have a job. This isn't about video games; it's about people's decisions and what those decisions will eventually lead them to do. And if you're asking why I do this, then I guess it might have to do with being a psych major and wanting to help people become self-aware of what they are actually doing and saying, because a very big majority of the world's population isn't.

Now for gods sake just calm down. As i say dude, it's just. A. Game. Whether you consider games as important or not, that's all they are, that's all they'll ever be (unless you live your life in the basement of your mother's home). Which i know you DON'T Agamemnon! So please stop this! If it really does offend you so much that i've stuck by my liking for this game, then just walk away. Leave. Go to another thread. But for the sake of decency do not follow my response with another red-hot flame post. If you do, i will ignore it and you know that. You know i'm better than the others. I don't even visit Gamespot forums any more.
Stop digging yourself into a deeper grave. I did not "flame" and I did not do anything wrong. You expressed your opinion, and I did so in return. That's what the purpose of a forum is. If you cannot handle it, then it is you who needs to leave, irregardless of what our past experiences have encountered with each other.

I used to enjoy your posts, but i think the time has come for you to consider what is really important in this world. I've tried to keep my response as calm and sensible as possible. Since you're obviously so much old, far more mature, wise beyond your years...you might want to try the same?
Try what? This is me. I am strong-willed and strike with a hot iron when it comes to something such as arguing economics, politics, or the human mind, because I've found that that is the most effective language to get across to other people, because it is the same language they use with everyone else. Stop pleading yourself as a victim when you yourself set yourself up for this. YOU came out here and said your piece. If you didn't want someone to disagree with you, or if it bothers you that someone does, then you shouldn't have expressed yourself.

Again, I'm just shaking my head as it is because you've based your "retorts" around such assumptive decisions that made you look like a fool. That can change though. You have to face some humility to learn something. If you really want to say what's on your mind without running head-first into a blind wall of assumptions, then you can continue this conversation with me actually taking you seriously.

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  • 09.05.2007 12:31 PM PDT

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It was not so much that i didn't want people to disagree with me Agamemnon. That is where you have misunderstood me. The whole point of this thread, is me STANDING OUT from the crowds of displeased customers, which i am all-too-aware of saying "Hey guys, sorry but heh, i kinda liked it". It was me saying "I can appreciate at least some things about it" which makes it worth my while.

Dya know why it makes it worth my while?

"I cannot and WON'T. I will NOT have my intelligence insulted by buying the very same damn game with bigger requirements then the console version."

The fact that i never paid £150 for an Xbox and Halo 2 (which was an extra £40 at the time), therefore never played it, that made it worth my while. This is my reaction here and now, from FIRST PLAYING of Halo 2! Well second playing now actually but it's still fresh for me at least. I refused to bow to Microsoft IN THE FIRST PLACE! I refused the pile of crap that was the Xbox, and paying Console game prices for the game itself! Know how much i paid to get Halo 2? £25. Or $45. On release day. And i got the better looking, higher resolution version with DECENT CONTROLS and NO CRAPPY AUTOAIM! So, in fact, there was nothing demeaning on my intelligence for that decision, i believe.

  • 09.05.2007 12:57 PM PDT
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Then that makes sense then. Why didn't you say that in the first place? We wouldn't be 10,000 words deep in this argument then. : P

  • 09.05.2007 1:00 PM PDT

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I never said otherwise! I simply said i liked the game. That according to you made me "ignorant and naive".....

  • 09.05.2007 1:06 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

*Takes look at thread.* *Takes look at blunt object* *Decides it's very entertaining to watch, so put's blunt object away*

  • 09.05.2007 1:08 PM PDT
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Me thinking you liked this game after buying it on the console and considering it a good port is what I would've considered you ignorant and naive as. This is pretty much you first playing the game, so that makes sense then.

  • 09.05.2007 1:08 PM PDT

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Well hallelujah for that then, lol.

And just so you know, i'm also in college and have two running jobs right now in fact, to save up for impending Uni! So you can't be that much older than me ;)

  • 09.05.2007 1:33 PM PDT
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We're actually probably the same age. For some reason though I thought you were a year or two younger. Maybe that was someone else from Gamefaqs at that board?

Also, two jobs? What ever happened to financial aid actually working in this country?

  • 09.05.2007 2:09 PM PDT
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NERD FIGHT!

  • 09.05.2007 2:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Thandurin
NERD FIGHT!


That was rude, yet strangely appropriate...

Even I found that little quarrel to be slightly over the top.

  • 09.05.2007 3:15 PM PDT

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"Also, two jobs? What ever happened to financial aid actually working in this country?"

I'm from New Zealand and i'm living in the UK. Personally i'd be better off in New Zealand, but it's not in my power to choose right now, not in education at least. I'll get a student loan when i hit Uni, but that'll need to be paid back. Meh, it's an expensive ordeal.

  • 09.05.2007 3:28 PM PDT
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Well, someone has a lot of time on their hands... =P
Posted by: Thandurin
NERD FIGHT!
lol

Oh, and I like Halo o_O

  • 09.05.2007 3:29 PM PDT
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Halo 2 is nice, but we need mods, LOTS OF MODS

  • 09.06.2007 2:44 AM PDT
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If only they expanded the editing kit, but noo, thanks to Games for Windows Live.

:(

Nice essay up there, Agamemon.

  • 09.06.2007 6:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Master_Dragon
I like Halo 2 in it's PC incarnation. I like Windows Live. I like Tray & Play functionality. I like the Campaign. I like the Multiplayer, though not as much as the Campaign would you believe. I like the menu systems. I like the visuals, not the lacking of uber-next-gen fidelity, but just the style of graphics. I like the drama. I like the game.

...does this make me a bad person?


I agree with you all the way man. H2Vista is like a breath of fresh air for the Xbox h2 fans. With the higher frame rate, and more detailed graphics in HD, Halo 2 can now dish out insane action, more then ive ever seen on the Xbox version. I even tried to play Halo 2 on my 360 again after playing H2Vista for a while and it felt like I was in slow motion, kinda like I was playing a PS1 game, lol. The thing I dig the most though is how it feels like one big LAN party everytime I play. I know this sounds wierd, but I like the fact that not alote of people play the multiplayer Live, because no matter what game I'm in, I always know someone playing in that game. Halo 2 Vista is awsome!! I kinda sound cheesy, like a paid actor doing a testimonial for an infomercial, I guess I just love Halo too much...

  • 09.06.2007 11:36 PM PDT

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It's nice to hear that even for those who have played it on Xbox find something of value in the PC release.

As much as it goes back on my previous (very previous) statements, Halo 2 for PC is now available to run on XP, with a small hack. It injects files into the install, also loads it up for you in the fist place on XP, to make it run. Note: You will noticed a loss of framerate on the Menus and some will be a bit screwed up. Occasionally there is a random bug, it's not as stable as it was on Vista. Shadows suffer while it runs on XP, randomly pixelated. But otherwise, it runs fine, sometimes even with a slight gain in framerate! Loading times a tad less on XP too, we all know why, Vista uses more for itself. Oh and one last thing, if you run it on XP, it won't work properly on Multiplayer :/. Not to worry though, it's better than nothing. Personally i use it on Vista, i don't notice any benefit of running it over on my XP partition, so i don't. But for those who don't HAVE Vista, go and buy the game now!

NOTE: The program does NOT let you play the game illegally! You have to have an authentic copy of the game, on a DVD, for it to install!

http://halo2xp.tk/

  • 09.07.2007 11:03 AM PDT

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