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Subject: How do you feel about Time calling Bungie a Geek Ghetto?
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The Marty Army

Ah, look at the lonely people...

I love being called antisocial and otherwise generalized by the news media...

  • 09.04.2007 4:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Because it's exclusive to the Xbox 360, Halo 2 is also Microsoft's weapon of choice in its struggle with Sony for supremacy in the multibillion-dollar game-console market.
Huh?
I conqur. TIME totally effed up there. Its supposed to be Halo 3. But, as usual, those magizine editors screw things up yet again.

  • 09.04.2007 5:03 PM PDT
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There are no irrelevant quotes of historical figures here. Neither will you find any links, chain posts, memes, clan advertisements, self-promotions, or the tiniest of ASCII pictures.

So go away.

Reading that article, I got a weird vibe. I think it's the way some tribesman in New Guinea might feel reading a copy of National Geographic. Because really, those of us who know and appreciate games, and who waste our time posting on forums about it, and who noticed the little inaccuracies in that article: we are a sub-culture. We are not mainstream. And this damn article is filled with some vague sort of hope that our sub-culture, our passions and our community, might be dragged out into the limelight and made acceptable for everybody else. Well -blam!- everybody else. I like my "geek ghetto", thank you very much, and I'd prefer that it weren't watered down just so that all the closed-minded heathens out there can finally realize that there's nothing wrong with me for loving video games. Schmucks.

  • 09.04.2007 5:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: WhiteRaven119
I love being called antisocial and otherwise generalized by the news media...
I know, isn't it great?

The ironic thing is that every single person in my school (I am not kidding) knows what Halo is at least. It helps that I go to an all guys school and that it is a rather upper-class private school, though.

I didn't like his diction, but the guy was just trying to make his article a bit more interesting so that it will be published.

  • 09.04.2007 5:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Time Magazine has a circulation of 3.25 million. Halo 3 hopes to sell around 10 million copies.


Halo 3 already has 4 million pre-orders, that beats time magazine.


Who cares what some outsider thinks of the bungie community? When bungie conquers the world he will be shot into the sun and no one will ever hear fom him again.

  • 09.04.2007 5:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartakus14
Who cares what some outsider thinks of the bungie community? When bungie conquers the world he will be shot into the sun and no one will ever hear fom him again.

QFT.
It's from the Outside!!!! Sssssss...kill it with fire....

  • 09.04.2007 5:43 PM PDT

Posted by: tris10335
"THE CLICHÉ ABOUT GAMERS IS THAT THEY'RE antisocial, if not sociopathic, but Bungie is very much a community. There's a foreign-legion quality to it, as if the company had been created as a refuge for smart people who wouldn't or couldn't fit into more conventional professions. Environment artist Dave Dunne started out as an architect. In a past life, O'Donnell wrote the We Are Flintstones Kids vitamin jingle. Designer Paul Bertone was a structural engineer who inspected bridges. "The people who play Bungie games tend to sense that there's something behind the games that's attractive to them," says O'Donnell. "Then they become fans of the games. And then they become rabid fans. And then they become employees of Bungie"

"Not that the Bungies care. They don't need to legitimize Halo by associating it with other, more respectable media. They sell enough units and make enough money. They're happy in their invisible geek ghetto. But that's the logic of the marketplace: it can't leave subcultures alone; it has to turn them into cultures. It may be time for the Master Chief to come in from the cold and join the party, with the popular kids. Just don't expect him to take off his helmet."



I really don't see why you're offended. In fact, this portion of the article is very complimentary, and informative..........I didn't know that Dunne. O'Donnell and Bertone were in vastly different professions before Bungie. I find that very interesting.

"Geek ghetto" is a little sensationalistic and could be seen as yellow journalism. But hey, Time jumped the shark 20 years ago for a credible news magazine.

  • 09.04.2007 6:15 PM PDT
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Hehe. The possibility of another "kitchen number 8" comes to mind. Now we just have to chorale the flood. :)

  • 09.04.2007 6:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: PyrobeIIum
Hehe. The possibility of another "kitchen number 8" comes to mind. Now we just have to chorale the flood. :)

If someone figures that out it will be the end of us and all else that stands in there way.
But really, it would be neat to see what they would do.

  • 09.04.2007 6:40 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

And now, the rest of the story.

People should remember what audience he was writing to. The above link is the same author talking on his blog.

  • 09.04.2007 6:49 PM PDT
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He wins the "EPIC FAIL" award.

  • 09.04.2007 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
And now, the rest of the story.

People should remember what audience he was writing to. The above link is the same author talking on his blog.

Its funny, and also sad that people would turn on their own opinions and beliefs just to gain some momentary fame and a little cash for there publication of there works.
What a sad little world we live in.

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  • 09.04.2007 6:55 PM PDT
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why are we classified , as antisocial , a psychological disorder , that the author diagnosed us all with it .

  • 09.04.2007 6:57 PM PDT
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How hypocritical, heh.

  • 09.04.2007 6:57 PM PDT

Not that anyone is going to read this post but heres my short 2cents. That article was not offensive in the least, it was objectively describing halo and the attached communities and ideas behind it; also discussing its possibility as a powerful entertainment franchise. The term ghetto was not your shallow slang term use of it heres a definition - A ghetto is an area where people from a specific racial or ethnic background live as a group in seclusion, voluntarily or involuntarily. Ghetto in this sense is just meant as a term for people who gather in one place <cough> BUNGIE.NET <cough> and that everyone who gathers here is common in the aspect of their fanhood of the game. This article is in no way attacking gamers, or bungie for that matter.

Argue against me, I'd love to see the opposite of my arguement.

  • 09.04.2007 6:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
His werdz hert my eyz!


Me to , me to . .. . . .. .


  • 09.04.2007 6:58 PM PDT
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I do not appreciate B.Net Group solicitation. If you ignore this and send me an invitation anyway, I will block communications with you.

A writer knows how to use words in many different ways, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that the article he wrote in Time was a negative view of the community, even if not directly or much at all.

Personally, I don't really care what one guy says (who apparently was a Bungie nerd himself). I enjoy games, and I'll continue to enjoy games regardless of what some magazine says.

  • 09.04.2007 7:00 PM PDT

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I find that very mildly offensive, but I don't really care


Posted by: Recon Number 54
His werdz hert my eyz!


I lawld at thatz

  • 09.04.2007 7:01 PM PDT
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Well , the whole antisocial thing burned me .

other than that he kinda calls anyone who plays halo geeks , however i do see you view , but he was kinda ... .well , cruel . Its not like he hurt my feelings , but i do not if maybe a video game raped his wife , or his father was murdered by one , but to me , In my opinion he was saying that halo is bad and all video games are bad .



Posted by: Snipeaz0ris
Not that anyone is going to read this post but heres my short 2cents. That article was not offensive in the least, it was objectively describing halo and the attached communities and ideas behind it; also discussing its possibility as a powerful entertainment franchise. The term ghetto was not your shallow slang term use of it heres a definition - A ghetto is an area where people from a specific racial or ethnic background live as a group in seclusion, voluntarily or involuntarily. Ghetto in this sense is just meant as a term for people who gather in one place <cough> BUNGIE.NET <cough> and that everyone who gathers here is common in the aspect of their fanhood of the game. This article is in no way attacking gamers, or bungie for that matter.

Argue against me, I'd love to see the opposite of my arguement.

  • 09.04.2007 7:01 PM PDT
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I do not appreciate B.Net Group solicitation. If you ignore this and send me an invitation anyway, I will block communications with you.

But, as for holding a controller being constructive, who really cares? A lot of us have jobs, attend school, and are working toward constructive goals. Most hobbies are for fun, which I would say is "constructive" in itself.

  • 09.04.2007 7:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Atomic Bunny007
why are we classified , as antisocial , a psychological disorder , that the author diagnosed us all with it .


He said the "cliche," which are not his words but what most people think of when they think of gamers..........and he's right. I take abuse all the time from friends and family that don't game. They think that at a certain age, your passion for gaming should just vanish I guess, like I can turn it off like a faucet.

  • 09.04.2007 7:04 PM PDT
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...it doesn't take a genius to realize that the article he wrote in Time was a negative view of the community, even if not directly or much at all.....

I don't know about that. I seriously didn't consider anything in the article to be negative.

He stated that gamers are usually seen by outsiders in a negative light, but that isn't the same as saying that they deserve to be.

Directly, indirectly, a little or a lot... I took no offense.

Late Edit: Hell, just look at the forums here or turn on voice in Halo 2. Gamers are MUCH harder on each other than anything this guy said or implied.
Of course they are. I never said I was offended, or that it was any worse or even close to how some gamers act. But my opinion on some of the word choice in that article, is that it was cast as a small negative light, especially around the end. Bungie "making enough", and caring not to "legitimize" Halo through other forms of media? It isn't offensive, but it is negative toward not only the gaming community but the gaming industry altogether, which I find laughable. Games are huge in modern times. I don't see how anyone could try to deny that.

  • 09.04.2007 7:10 PM PDT

You guys have to learn how to read things in the proper context, that article is not slander, was not negative, and was certainly not offensive to Bungie, Halo, or any of you.

[Edited on 09.04.2007 7:20 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2007 7:18 PM PDT