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Subject: How do you feel about Time calling Bungie a Geek Ghetto?

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Just to make it clear, I am not offended, or upset by the article. Just chatty.

  • 09.05.2007 5:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: PoorVash
"Not that the Bungies care. They don't need to legitimize Halo by associating it with other, more respectable media. They sell enough units and make enough money. They're happy in their invisible geek ghetto. But that's the logic of the marketplace: it can't leave subcultures alone; it has to turn them into cultures. It may be time for the Master Chief to come in from the cold and join the party, with the popular kids. Just don't expect him to take off his helmet."

Come in and join the party with the popular kids? What a -blam!- Dbag...


Its a metaphor.

The article is meant to appeal to standard people, (TIME) readers. Its a good article, brings attention to Halo 3. I liked it quite a bit.

  • 09.05.2007 5:30 PM PDT
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I like bob's song .





No serious no one is crying , and i doubt that anyone is emotional , but it is offensive , lets pretend that training dogs is a hobby ( I know weird hobby) and someone says that your hobby sucks , and you are unpopular(solely based on one of your hobby's) , and you're not helping anyone ,
ESPECIALLY the dog itself , well than you would be offended . Right ?


Anyways to quote JD " Philosophy is tricky" .

Philosophy FTW .

I agree with they guy who said Video Games helps the medical field , i can't link but i know they did Video Game reseach , for one to increase dexterity and speed for orthosocpic(SP) surgery , but also , studying the brain .

And also to add , I am not unpopular , nor have been called a geek(nerd) , but i post on forums cuz you guys are hilarious .

  • 09.05.2007 5:35 PM PDT
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"The cliche about gamers is that they're antisocial, if not sociopathic, but Bungie is very much a community. There's a foreign-legion quality to it, as if the company had been created as a refuge for smart people who wouldn't or couldn't fit into more conventional professions."

"The Bungies bring a grinding, jeweler's meticulousness to what most people consider an unhealthy amusement for children."
Two problems with this quote: 1. What's wrong with taking time to make something good? 2. Rated M = 17+; this is just contributing to the stereotype that video games are for children, when technically you shouldn't be playing the game unless you're 17 or older.



Edit: Other than that it's really not that bad of an article.

[Edited on 09.05.2007 5:42 PM PDT]

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Posted by: ARC Sebastian
"The cliche about gamers is that they're antisocial, if not sociopathic, but Bungie is very much a community. There's a foreign-legion quality to it, as if the company had been created as a refuge for smart people who wouldn't or couldn't fit into more conventional professions."

"The Bungies bring a grinding, jeweler's meticulousness to what most people consider an unhealthy amusement for children."
Two problems with this quote: 1. What's wrong with taking time to make something good? 2. Rated M = 17+; this is just contributing to the stereotype that video games are for children, when technically you shouldn't be playing the game unless you're 17 or older.



Edit: Other than that it's really not that bad of an article.



He's refferring to cliche's. Those are stereotypes. Because I can't think of an unoffensive stereotype.... well how about this one: Peter in Family guy is basically a "stereotypical American".... kind of a "percieved picture that is inaccurate".

He doesn't use the stereotype, just references it.

  • 09.05.2007 6:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ghandi 2
I do not understand what everyone is getting so upset about. Really, it's only offensive if you only read the bolded sections that angry bloggers yelled about.


hee hee..you said blog. *microsoft sam voice* ha hag ha hag ha hag ha hag ha hag

  • 09.05.2007 6:34 PM PDT
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I have to say, they do not know halo if they think it's a geek ghetto.

I have a friend who is a cheerleader, popular with 75% of the school(about 500 people is 75%) and she owns one videogame system with two games.
Game 1. DDR
Game 2. Halo 2

That should say something.

  • 09.05.2007 8:16 PM PDT
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Yes, let's deal with the remarks that the community is alienated and bitter by banding together against the outsiders and launching a web-based strike!

We'll show those cheery, real world bastards who runs this ghetto!

Assemble the nerds!

I liked the article, I like being an invisible sub-culture. Am I the only one seeing parallels with all the previous, tech based sub cultures which have become mainstream icons? Punk? Cyberpunk? Halo Nation?

  • 09.05.2007 8:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Pezz
Assemble the nerds!


Way ahead of you.........NERDS......NERDS.......NERDS!!!

  • 09.05.2007 8:29 PM PDT
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Ah, look at the lonely people...

Posted by: Pezz
Yes, let's deal with the remarks that the community is alienated and bitter by banding together against the outsiders and launching a web-based strike!

We'll show those cheery, real world bastards who runs this ghetto!

Assemble the nerds!
Halo Nation does not forgive?

  • 09.05.2007 8:33 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
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Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

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Posted by: Pezz
Assemble the nerds!


Way ahead of you.........NERDS......NERDS.......NERDS!!!


yes! this is the most amusing post i have read in ages.

i have never seen that string of words in print, but when i read it, i knew exactly what you were talking about, and was flooded with memories of memorizing what (for some crazy reason) i thought was a cool rap (i was around 8), and of the best things that i had ever seen in my whole life, and there were so many of them, and they were on the screen for so long, and then there was this new and incredible thing to see.

  • 09.05.2007 8:50 PM PDT

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print chr(36),"x=",chr(39),$x,chr(39),";\n",$x;

I work at Microsoft. I have nothing to do with Halo and nothing I say is "the official word".

Lol, we're ghetto.

Seriously, I didn't think it was all that offensive, although they do act like no normal person has ever heard of Halo.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Chief333
Kids need to stop getting so emotional about this. You dont hear Bungie crying do you?
In business school, we learned the term "all marketing is good marketing." That means that with a few exceptions, all publicity is good. Clearly, the statement is overbroad -- if you are selling chickens, you don't want publicity about an avian flu outbreak at your farm. But in general, it holds true. Look how "Grand Theft Auto" became a household name.

So no, Bungie is not going to issue any kind of official statement condemning the article. But why should gamers base their opinions on the opinion (or lack thereof) of Bungie Studios? If a gamer gets offended by the article, you should be able to understand why (see my previous post in this thread on page 3) even if you don't agree with it.


EDIT: By the way, I'm willing to bet that 90% of the posters in this thread are over 18. Using the term "kids" makes you look naive and, frankly, from the condescending way you used it, makes you look like you don't belong in this discussion. Just a thought, dude.

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Posted by: Pezz
Yes, let's deal with the remarks that the community is alienated and bitter by banding together against the outsiders and launching a web-based strike!

We'll show those cheery, real world bastards who runs this ghetto!

Assemble the nerds!
Halo Nation does not forgive?

"A man's dreams are an index to his greatness." (Zadok Rabinwitz)
I think the quote I recently found fits this well.

Seriously though, the idea of a Halo Nation makes my mind bogle and my spine tingle.



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  • 09.05.2007 9:06 PM PDT
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Within each steel-bound coffin of a cell, / Buried alive;
But rather mourne the apathetic throng / The cowed, and the meek -
Who see the world’s great anguish and its wrong / And dare not speak.

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Posted by: Pezz
Halo Nation?


Please, don't make me puke.

I think you're right though; the gaming culture may be the next one to be dragged, kicked and screaming, into a place it doesn't want to be.

  • 09.05.2007 10:08 PM PDT

Posted by: sesquipadelian
Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Pezz
Assemble the nerds!


Way ahead of you.........NERDS......NERDS.......NERDS!!!


yes! this is the most amusing post i have read in ages.

i have never seen that string of words in print, but when i read it, i knew exactly what you were talking about, and was flooded with memories of memorizing what (for some crazy reason) i thought was a cool rap (i was around 8), and of the best things that i had ever seen in my whole life, and there were so many of them, and they were on the screen for so long, and then there was this new and incredible thing to see.



That's right ses, Booger speaks to all of us when he says; "what the -blam!- is a frush."

  • 09.06.2007 10:24 AM PDT

I do it for Ada

I have returned

Because it's exclusive to the Xbox 360, Halo 2 is also Microsoft's weapon of choice in its struggle with Sony for supremacy in the multibillion-dollar game-console market.

Those bastards not mentioning Nintendo.

  • 09.06.2007 10:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: impurity
I'm going to eat your faces off.


I read that at faeces.

  • 09.06.2007 12:35 PM PDT

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Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Aw crap. Now I gotta make sure I'll never read this magazine. Initially, I thought it was boring and outdated, and never intended to read it.

But seriously, folks, the Halo franchise has more revenue than the antagonistic magazine, so they're just jealous.

  • 09.06.2007 3:54 PM PDT

"It sucking -blam!-s, it -blam!- sucks, it -blam!- blows, it's a piece of -blam!-... and I don't like it."
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Posted by: prometheus25
Aw crap. Now I gotta make sure I'll never read this magazine. Initially, I thought it was boring and outdated, and never intended to read it.

But seriously, folks, the Halo franchise has more revenue than the antagonistic magazine, so they're just jealous.
Well said(?)

To the point, not everything said about Halo 3 will be good, as many gamers and forum goers here expect. In my opinion, they expect too much from editorials and publications, and if their expectations are not met, they instantly turn their angry side on the article and spew a whole bunch a crap; it's what you can expect from a fan.

Besides, the magazine was in no way saying anything "bad" about the game. What was said in that section of the article was merely an assumption from a person who isn't a fan of the Halo games.

I see why you guys are angry, but honestly, the person who wrote that certain section was just a casual human being who just so happens to not be a fan of the Halo games.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. It really isn't that big of a deal, is it?

  • 09.07.2007 4:47 PM PDT
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I've given my Dad a subscription to Time Magazine as a birthday present for the last 2 years. It's a fantastic, and I thoroughly enjoy it.

But what of the article? I thought it was great. You kids (and you are mostly kids here judging from these responses) have got to understand that Time's target market are in the age-range of 40+ (not really, but I'd guess the majority of it's readers are of that age or older). The wording of it was 'mature' (as in, you could imagine it's how you're Dad or Granddad would converse with their friends when talking about Halo and things like the Xbox etc). The use of the word 'Ghetto' is (as I took it) a slight poke of fun at the buzzwords used in this generation of advertising and marketing.

Great article, but it did upset me on one part. I've realised how much of a sad bastard I actually am. On the group photo, I found I could name (and recognise) quite a lot of the Bungie workers. Sad, or just that big of a fan!?

Anyway, everyone should stop jumping on the 'bash the bungie bashers bandwagon.'

We all know how much people hate to say Halo doesn't account to much, but I couldn't give a crap. To me, and to many of you, Halo is the reason we bought an Xbox and then an Xbox 360. I don't care about games like Bioshock, Call of Duty 4 etc. Maybe that's because I'm careful of not being sucked into very clever marketing, or maybe because I'm narrow minded (I'm not, I've just no interest in them). Regardless, just shut your mouths and look forward to the game. Pass the time on youtube ('epsilon is a greek letter of the alphabet, my favourite as of late), and places like HBO etc. Don't respond to wankers who are just after pageviews etc. By the way, I'm not against people's opinions of the game, I'm just against tabloid-style trash poisoning people's expectations of Video Games.

Apologies for my lingo, but that t'is me. :)

  • 09.08.2007 5:12 AM PDT
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Sorry for the double-post, but I felt this was an important addition to this thread. Anyone who thinks this guy 'bashed' Bungie, please for the love of -blam!-, read this!

I should add a note about how cool it was to visit Bungie HQ. I've spent a lot of time playing Bungie games. After-work Marathon deathmatches were a major major thing for me for about a year, and when Myth came out it became an even more majorer thing for me, for quite a bit more than a year. That was more of a during-work habit. (My Myth phase coincided with my stint as a Web producer for Pathfinder. And they wonder why it failed. (And on another note: oh my God, I can't believe that Pathfinder URL is still live, complete with a Pathfinder logo. That's just creepy.)) And then Halo happened.

So it was great to discover that the people who work for Bungie are smart and funny in pretty much the way you'd think they would be.


Guy sounds like a bigger Bungie fan than almost everyone in this thread if you ask me.

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What do you excpect from an associate of CNN.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: JAY132
Guy sounds like a bigger Bungie fan than almost everyone in this thread if you ask me.
No offense, but the author's self-proclaimed status as a Bungie fan does not change the way the article reads. I think that it's safe to say that you, and I, and most everybody who read the Time article first was quite surprised to read the author's blog and discover that he seems to be a Bungie fan. This, in and of itself, should speak volumes about the tone and implications raised by the Time article.

At the same time, I can't help but acknowledge that there are many hard core Bungie fans that say much worse things about the Bungie fanbase in this very forum, and all over this website. Perhaps this can be reconciled, though. Compare the Bungie Community to something along the lines of your own family (not saying that it IS your family -- just drawing a comparison). Most people would understand the concept that you are willing to say some pretty bad things about your family members to your other family members, but you would never go out and say those same things in that same way to a newspaper or a magazine. It's the same concept here, I think. Bungie fans feel "safe" bashing their own community when they are talking to their own community -- but they would hesitate (for the most part) to go out and tell a bunch of non-gaming old people that the Bungie Community is filled with sad, lonely, deluded, unpopular, lazy teenagers, especially out of context as this article is. That is part of the feeling of betrayal here, except that on top of this "betrayal," Lev is wrong in so many ways (e.g., the stereotype of the sad, lonely, deluded, unpopular, lazy teenager).

In short, I do not think that Lev's blog takes anything away from the condescending tone and negative connotations peppered throughout this article. If anything, that blog entry makes it worse, making it appear that an "insider" has both sold himself out and lied about the Bungie Community in order to sell a few extra magazines.

The mere fact that so many people are a upset about the article lends merit to that feeling. They are not wrong any more than the people who say that the article doesn't bother them are wrong.

[Edited on 09.08.2007 1:15 PM PDT]

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