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Subject: Should bungie allow button glitches?

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i would like to take this rare opportunity to admit that i jumped to a conclusion and that flav [was] right.


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  • 09.04.2007 3:25 PM PDT

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I agree that it adds more depth to the game. But that wall of text that is often referred to as the Terms of Use, says that you can't exploit any glitches. Therefore it is cheating, even if Bungie says it isn't cheating, if the ToU says its cheating, then it is cheating.

So the only way it could be considered not cheating is if the ToU was changed. The chances of it being changed IMO are pretty slim, so it will remain and always be cheating in MM.

Nice argument though.

Oh, and no discussions about button glitches. Unless you want to start WWIII.

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  • 09.04.2007 3:36 PM PDT

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Should Bungie: Maybe

Will they: No.

We could argue and have endless points/counterpoints, all seemingly valid, and all equally meaningless.

Its is cheating, and will always be cheating, and that's all there is to it.

  • 09.04.2007 3:40 PM PDT

uh its not a matter of allowing them. if someone doesnt button glitch because "mommy bungie" says so, then thats the dumbest reason ive ever heard.

Its one thing if you cant do them and get mad at the people who do, but its another thing if you dont do them because of a penalty that will never come.

  • 09.04.2007 3:45 PM PDT

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but its another thing if you dont do them because of a penalty that will never come.


Or choosing to not exploit a glitch that is considered cheating. So what if you won't get caught for it? IT IS CHEATING. And i can choose whether or not i use it.

I also want to add that i never blame BxR, RRx, etc. for losing.

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  • 09.04.2007 3:48 PM PDT
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To the loser who mentioned the Terms of Use

The Terms of Use also says that having any kind of advantage over other players is considered cheating so if you wanna follow the ToU so badly then you must report anyone that gets host in the game and anyone that grenade jumps. The Terms of Use is flawed and has many holes in them.

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  • 09.04.2007 3:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
I agree that it adds more depth to the game. But that wall of text that is often referred to as the Terms of Use, says that you can't exploit any glitches. Therefore it is cheating, even if Bungie says it isn't cheating, if the ToU says its cheating, then it is cheating.

So the only way it could be considered not cheating is if the ToU was changed. The chances of it being changed IMO are pretty slim, so it will remain and always be cheating in MM.

Nice argument though.

Oh, and no discussions about button glitches. Unless you want to start WWIII.


The terms of use does NOT say that. The terms of use are very broad. They say you can't exploit AN UNFAIR glitch. Proving glitches are unfair or fair is impossible, its opinion. So the Terms of Use is not clear cut here, as it rarely is in any case.

  • 09.04.2007 4:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: nickyfour92
I agree that it adds more depth to the game. But that wall of text that is often referred to as the Terms of Use, says that you can't exploit any glitches. Therefore it is cheating, even if Bungie says it isn't cheating, if the ToU says its cheating, then it is cheating.

So the only way it could be considered not cheating is if the ToU was changed. The chances of it being changed IMO are pretty slim, so it will remain and always be cheating in MM.

Nice argument though.

Oh, and no discussions about button glitches. Unless you want to start WWIII.


The terms of use does NOT say that. The terms of use are very broad. They say you can't exploit AN UNFAIR glitch. Proving glitches are unfair or fair is impossible, its opinion. So the Terms of Use is not clear cut here, as it rarely is in any case.


Exactly, so it is my opinion. If i choose not to do them because I believe it is cheating then i can.

In the end though it is considered cheating in MM. Feel free to double shot eachother in your MLG FFAs though.

[Edited on 09.04.2007 4:06 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2007 4:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: PKMN Ghett0 PKMN
To the loser who mentioned the Terms of Use


I'm sorry if i offended you in anyway. That or your just mad, if so please go be mad somewhere else.



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  • 09.04.2007 4:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: nickyfour92
I agree that it adds more depth to the game. But that wall of text that is often referred to as the Terms of Use, says that you can't exploit any glitches. Therefore it is cheating, even if Bungie says it isn't cheating, if the ToU says its cheating, then it is cheating.

So the only way it could be considered not cheating is if the ToU was changed. The chances of it being changed IMO are pretty slim, so it will remain and always be cheating in MM.

Nice argument though.

Oh, and no discussions about button glitches. Unless you want to start WWIII.


The terms of use does NOT say that. The terms of use are very broad. They say you can't exploit AN UNFAIR glitch. Proving glitches are unfair or fair is impossible, its opinion. So the Terms of Use is not clear cut here, as it rarely is in any case.


Exactly, so it is my opinion. If i choose not to do them because I believe it is cheating then i can.

In the end though it is considered cheating in MM. Feel free to double shot eachother in your MLG FFAs though.


That's not important. The topic is whether or not Bungie changing their stance would be beneficial to everyone. You then said it doesn't matter, because the ToS has precedence over Bungie, and I rebutted that saying the ToS doesn't blatantly say if they're cheating or not.

I agree though. Button glitchers will continue to button glitch no matter what Bungie says. yet, if Bungie changed their stance, those players who didn't glitch, just because Bungie said it was cheating, would have no reason to abstain any more, and they could glitch freely and not feel cheated.

So, would you rather have some people doing it, or everyone? Everyone makes more sense to me.

  • 09.04.2007 4:13 PM PDT

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...I'd kick your ass with this baby.

Bungie bans button glitches but allows super bounces because they can be done accidentally (they said it somewhere on here).


All glitches that help or hurt a team are a form cheating even if bungie says we will allow it it is still cheating.


People always say MLG says it aint cheating so it isn't i get in flame warz with people who say they aren't cheating.

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  • 09.04.2007 4:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: nickyfour92
Posted by: FKxPandemic
Posted by: nickyfour92
I agree that it adds more depth to the game. But that wall of text that is often referred to as the Terms of Use, says that you can't exploit any glitches. Therefore it is cheating, even if Bungie says it isn't cheating, if the ToU says its cheating, then it is cheating.

So the only way it could be considered not cheating is if the ToU was changed. The chances of it being changed IMO are pretty slim, so it will remain and always be cheating in MM.

Nice argument though.

Oh, and no discussions about button glitches. Unless you want to start WWIII.


The terms of use does NOT say that. The terms of use are very broad. They say you can't exploit AN UNFAIR glitch. Proving glitches are unfair or fair is impossible, its opinion. So the Terms of Use is not clear cut here, as it rarely is in any case.


Exactly, so it is my opinion. If i choose not to do them because I believe it is cheating then i can.

In the end though it is considered cheating in MM. Feel free to double shot eachother in your MLG FFAs though.


That's not important. The topic is whether or not Bungie changing their stance would be beneficial to everyone. You then said it doesn't matter, because the ToS has precedence over Bungie, and I rebutted that saying the ToS doesn't blatantly say if they're cheating or not.

I agree though. Button glitchers will continue to button glitch no matter what Bungie says. yet, if Bungie changed their stance, those players who didn't glitch, just because Bungie said it was cheating, would have no reason to abstain any more, and they could glitch freely and not feel cheated.

So, would you rather have some people doing it, or everyone? Everyone makes more sense to me.


I don't care if some people do it. I don't blame it for me losing. I am merely stating that Bungie says its cheating in MM. You can choose to do it in MM and get away with it. All i am saying is that i follow the rules of MM and don't button glitch.

  • 09.04.2007 4:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
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To the loser who mentioned the Terms of Use


I'm sorry if i offended you in anyway. That or your just mad, if so please go be mad somewhere else.


Maybe you should comment my whole post.

  • 09.04.2007 4:26 PM PDT
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Bungie bans button glitches but allows super bounces because they can be done accidentally (they said it somewhere on here).


All glitches that help or hurt a team are a form cheating even if bungie says we will allow it it is still cheating.


People always say MLG says it aint cheating so it isn't i get in flame warz with people who say they aren't cheating.


Incorrect. Bungie's stance says that it is unfair, which makes it cheating according to the ToU, if they dont consider it unfair, according to the ToU it is no longer cheating

Incorrect.

Achronos said it is fair if everyone in the game agrees that it IS fair. He said it last year in a thread similar to this. I don't have the exact quote.

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  • 09.04.2007 4:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: PKMN Ghett0 PKMN
Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: Sn1p1ng Guy117
Bungie bans button glitches but allows super bounces because they can be done accidentally (they said it somewhere on here).


All glitches that help or hurt a team are a form cheating even if bungie says we will allow it it is still cheating.


People always say MLG says it aint cheating so it isn't i get in flame warz with people who say they aren't cheating.


Incorrect. Bungie's stance says that it is unfair, which makes it cheating according to the ToU, if they dont consider it unfair, according to the ToU it is no longer cheating

Incorrect.

Achronos said it is fair if everyone in the game agrees that it IS fair. He said it last year in a thread similar to this. I don't have the exact quote.


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  • 09.04.2007 4:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: PKMN Ghett0 PKMN
Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: Sn1p1ng Guy117
Bungie bans button glitches but allows super bounces because they can be done accidentally (they said it somewhere on here).


All glitches that help or hurt a team are a form cheating even if bungie says we will allow it it is still cheating.


People always say MLG says it aint cheating so it isn't i get in flame warz with people who say they aren't cheating.


Incorrect. Bungie's stance says that it is unfair, which makes it cheating according to the ToU, if they dont consider it unfair, according to the ToU it is no longer cheating

Incorrect.

Achronos said it is fair if everyone in the game agrees that it IS fair. He said it last year in a thread similar to this. I don't have the exact quote.

INCORRECT
Some of you apparently lack basic reading comprehension. Stop picking and choosing between posts to suit your vision of "reality", and try reading them together. This includes you Predat0r, since you're apparently trying to run the thread off topic by trying to start yet another -blam!--fest about bugs, even though there are plenty of other threads about this and the issue has been beaten to death already. Do it again and you'll be banned for a while; I have little patience right now for more idiotic trolling like yours. If you don't like it, tough, go whine to the Halo2Sucks.com guys, they like talking about that kind of thing.

Here are the facts - these aren't "opinions", or whatever word you are using to avoid what you don't want to hear.

1. Any use of a glitch/bug in a game to acquire an advantage is cheating on Xbox Live. This includes but is not limited to superbouncing, flag through the wall tricks, leaving the map boundaries, triggering an animation bug using a sequence of button presses (BXR, etc.)
2. Anytime you see someone cheating, you should leave feedback on them, but it is up to you whether to do so. You define whether an action is cheating - you can define the above actions as normal, or be hardcore and define all of them as cheating. Since you're the one reporting the cheater, you get to be the ultimate arbiter of if cheating is occuring. This is a very obvious thing to say, but most people don't understand this.
3. Different organizations have different rules. When you're on Xbox Live, you have to deal with our rules (which are in point 1 and 2). This means that anybody who is bringing up "what MLG does" needs to pull their head out of their ass and look around. Are we talking about an MLG tournament? Is this the MLG web site? No! That means that we're talking about Bungie rules for playing on Xbox Live. MLG is free to define whatever rules they want, and in their rules, button combos are part of the game. Super jumping (I believe) is not. But as what they do is off topic to this discussion, you need to stop talking about it like it matters to what happens on Xbox Live, because it doesn't.


Want more proof?

  • 09.04.2007 4:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: PKMN Ghett0 PKMN
Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: Sn1p1ng Guy117
Bungie bans button glitches but allows super bounces because they can be done accidentally (they said it somewhere on here).


All glitches that help or hurt a team are a form cheating even if bungie says we will allow it it is still cheating.


People always say MLG says it aint cheating so it isn't i get in flame warz with people who say they aren't cheating.


Incorrect. Bungie's stance says that it is unfair, which makes it cheating according to the ToU, if they dont consider it unfair, according to the ToU it is no longer cheating

Incorrect.

Achronos said it is fair if everyone in the game agrees that it IS fair. He said it last year in a thread similar to this. I don't have the exact quote.


To correct you, he said that in reference to custom games, he said that in MM it was automatically cheating because there was no way to possibly know the opinions of the other players

Negative.

He said if you can ever ask the other team and they agree to it, it would be ok. This will most likely be done in THC where To4's are likely and you can just ask them. He was very broad, he did not only just leave it in custom games.

  • 09.04.2007 4:37 PM PDT
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Want more proof?


There goes that unfair advantage line again.

Like I said he made another post after that, maybe a couple months later. If everyone agrees to it, it will no longer be an "unfair advantage". Everyone will agree to use it.

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  • 09.04.2007 4:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: PKMN Ghett0 PKMN
Posted by: supercommiefu
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Want more proof?


There goes that unfair advantage line again.

Like I said he made another post after that, maybe a couple months later. If everyone agrees to it, it will no longer be an "unfair advantage". Everyone will agree to use it.

there is no word unfair in this sentence.

1. Any use of a glitch/bug in a game to acquire an advantage is cheating on Xbox Live. This includes but is not limited to superbouncing, flag through the wall tricks, leaving the map boundaries, triggering an animation bug using a sequence of button presses (BXR, etc.)

  • 09.04.2007 4:43 PM PDT

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