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Is the point of clawing to be able to double shot whilst aiming, cos if its is there any need to do it in Halo 3 since double shot wont exist? just wondering

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Clawing also helps when you melee moving targets.

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ok well then would u not just go green thumb instead so u have the same advantage as all the pros and stuff if u cant master the claw and btw im not sure how thats cheating but i dont actually do it its just a way of holding ur pad retard

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Posted by: Quorn King
ok well then would u not just go green thumb instead so u have the same advantage as all the pros and stuff if u cant master the claw and btw im not sure how thats cheating but i dont actually do it its just a way of holding ur pad retard


My Little brother is retarded!
You are so inconsiderate!

Bastard... XD

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  • 09.10.2007 6:59 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: Quorn King
ok well then would u not just go green thumb instead so u have the same advantage as all the pros and stuff if u cant master the claw and btw im not sure how thats cheating but i dont actually do it its just a way of holding ur pad retard


Clawing has significant advantages for doubleshooting and quadshotting. Its alot easier to aim and button glitch at the same time for most people. There are a few people who can use standard methods but not many. Dont listen to these kids whine about cheating, they are just tired of getting worked.

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if you are going to MLG Orlando then yeah if you want to worry about it try to master it quickly, if not dont worry about it cause Halo 3 comes out in 14 days 10 hrs and 46 minutes.

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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
Dont listen to these kids whine about cheating, they are just tired of getting worked.


I'm usually right there with what you say, Brock, but I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on this one. It's pretty dang frustrating when people double and quad you to pieces, it doesn't get me angry or mad, just a little perturbed. When I run into someone who quadshots (which is just about every game, of course), I can't stop thinking "well, if you really feel like sitting around practicing button glitches on empty maps for hours on end, then yes, I guess you do deserve that kill more than I do." It's stupid, really, it's not cheating or hacking per se, but it's just annoying. I can double shot (but not well), and I never use it, I prefer the feeling of out BR-ing someone for real.

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Posted by: MCCE
if you are going to MLG Orlando then yeah if you want to worry about it try to master it quickly, if not dont worry about it cause Halo 3 comes out in 14 days 10 hrs and 46 minutes.


are u going? lolz

  • 09.10.2007 10:32 AM PDT
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One Who Knows Nothing Can Understand Nothing.

Clawing is used more for button glitching, but also helps with meleeing moving targets (as previously stated).

Walshy used claw in Halo 1 for automatically switching to his pistol instead of his assault rifle.

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Posted by: YOU will be DOA
"OH GET DOUBLE SHOT" to me says, "I can't out BR you unless I use this combo"


No, double shotting takes more skill than just regular out BRing.

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Wait, people used to work as a team and called out positions? Where was I!!!

I can only hope that the era of teams-manship comes back with Halo 3. Playing as a team is the most fun thing in a game - even if you lose, one little coordinated plan that worked out can be really satisfying. Too many times I've busted into a room, lowered 3 people's shields, and died doing so, only to have my team stay out of the room arguing over who should get the sword. Ghey.

  • 09.10.2007 10:54 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

I stopped button glitching a while back because I wanted to see how good I could be just by using expirence, instinct and a basic BR. I havent gotten any better or worse. I dont even get our BRd by people who doubleshot all that often because I use wall glitches and I peekshot alot. Not to sound rude, but I doubt that you get quad-shotted every game and even if you did all youd have to do is modify your tactics around what they are doing.

MLG is a game of strategy moreso than any other in Halo. The reason that all these people out here are whining about getting beating by button glitchers is simply because they arent adjusting their tactics around that to improve. You need to realize and anticipate what they are going to do and because you are completely prepared for whats going to happen, youll be able to make better decisions. You guys need to understand that you arent getting beaten because the other team is button glitching, youre getting beaten because you refuse to adapt.

I realize that when I said that everyone in here is just going to reply "I shouldnt have to adapt because they are cheating!". Think of it as them inadvertantly doing you a favor. By them button glitching you, it gives you the fuel to teach yourself new strategies that otherwise you wouldnt have driven yourself to learn. Youll open yourself up to whole new worlds of playstyles and techniques in MLG and youll find that youll be much better overall.

I dont defend the glitchers because I cant win wthout glitches, ive proven that infact, im less limited (or at least I feel that way) when I dont glitch. Ive played with and without them and so can most of the other great MLG players out there. The problem isnt with them, its with the common players inability to adapt and grow as a player.

Anyone....ANYONE is beatable.

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well basically i have been playin for like 5 months with a 4 month gap in between that and i can sort of double shot sometimes gives an advantage even tho im bad at it but i think in halo 3 its gonna be evened out a little i cant see a reason why anyone would strive to make themselves good at clawing now like some guy i play with hes actually tryin to master it now but in halo 3 double shot isnt gonna exist thanks for replying anyway

  • 09.10.2007 11:01 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: Quorn King
well basically i have been playin for like 5 months with a 4 month gap in between that and i can sort of double shot sometimes gives an advantage even tho im bad at it but i think in halo 3 its gonna be evened out a little i cant see a reason why anyone would strive to make themselves good at clawing now like some guy i play with hes actually tryin to master it now but in halo 3 double shot isnt gonna exist thanks for replying anyway



Theres no way to know whats going to exist because no one has played it yet. They had no idea that people would be able to push RRx to make the BR fire six straight bullets when H2 first came out either.....

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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
I stopped button glitching a while back because I wanted to see how good I could be just by using expirence, instinct and a basic BR. I havent gotten any better or worse. I dont even get our BRd by people who doubleshot all that often because I use wall glitches and I peekshot alot. Not to sound rude, but I doubt that you get quad-shotted every game and even if you did all youd have to do is modify your tactics around what they are doing.

MLG is a game of strategy moreso than any other in Halo. The reason that all these people out here are whining about getting beating by button glitchers is simply because they arent adjusting their tactics around that to improve. You need to realize and anticipate what they are going to do and because you are completely prepared for whats going to happen, youll be able to make better decisions. You guys need to understand that you arent getting beaten because the other team is button glitching, youre getting beaten because you refuse to adapt.

I realize that when I said that everyone in here is just going to reply "I shouldnt have to adapt because they are cheating!". Think of it as them inadvertantly doing you a favor. By them button glitching you, it gives you the fuel to teach yourself new strategies that otherwise you wouldnt have driven yourself to learn. Youll open yourself up to whole new worlds of playstyles and techniques in MLG and youll find that youll be much better overall.

I dont defend the glitchers because I cant win wthout glitches, ive proven that infact, im less limited (or at least I feel that way) when I dont glitch. Ive played with and without them and so can most of the other great MLG players out there. The problem isnt with them, its with the common players inability to adapt and grow as a player.

Anyone....ANYONE is beatable.


Well yes, I suppose I exaggerated some, but I do get glitched a lot. Like I said, no biggie, I can live.

And you're totally right - there is a strategy to beat anyone. If you're up against a double-shooter, for example, you're not going to win in a 1v1 BR fight. The fact that they are doubleshooting makes them mostly incapacitated to toss nades with precision, for example - or, it at least makes it harder. So know your angles and nade/HS them. Or, get in really close - negates the doubleshot (though it does open you up to get BXR'd).

But Brock, there are definitely times where you will straight up lose against a button glitcher. Sometimes there is nothing you can do. That is what is frustrating. And you'll have a really hard (read:impossible) time convincing me that the problem with MM and MLG games isn't glitchers, and that its people like me refusing to "adapt" (aka glitch as well). Mostly good post though.

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Posted by: ILove2DubShot
No, double shotting takes more skill than just regular out BRing.


Even if this statement were correct, all you'd be proving is that you are more skilled at pressing buttons quickly in a video game than I am, a point which I am happy to concede to you. Do you want a cookie for your "skill"?

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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
I stopped button glitching a while back because I wanted to see how good I could be just by using expirence, instinct and a basic BR. I havent gotten any better or worse. I dont even get our BRd by people who doubleshot all that often because I use wall glitches and I peekshot alot. Not to sound rude, but I doubt that you get quad-shotted every game and even if you did all youd have to do is modify your tactics around what they are doing.

MLG is a game of strategy moreso than any other in Halo. The reason that all these people out here are whining about getting beating by button glitchers is simply because they arent adjusting their tactics around that to improve. You need to realize and anticipate what they are going to do and because you are completely prepared for whats going to happen, youll be able to make better decisions. You guys need to understand that you arent getting beaten because the other team is button glitching, youre getting beaten because you refuse to adapt.

I realize that when I said that everyone in here is just going to reply "I shouldnt have to adapt because they are cheating!". Think of it as them inadvertantly doing you a favor. By them button glitching you, it gives you the fuel to teach yourself new strategies that otherwise you wouldnt have driven yourself to learn. Youll open yourself up to whole new worlds of playstyles and techniques in MLG and youll find that youll be much better overall.

I dont defend the glitchers because I cant win wthout glitches, ive proven that infact, im less limited (or at least I feel that way) when I dont glitch. Ive played with and without them and so can most of the other great MLG players out there. The problem isnt with them, its with the common players inability to adapt and grow as a player.

Anyone....ANYONE is beatable.


OMG someone here actually speaks the truth and it is here for all of the ppl that whinge about button glitchs to c... if u dont wanna join them, ADAPT. not everyone glitchs.... learn to deal with it.... if u can out BR someone with out having to button glitch while they are double shooting or quad shooting u thenchances are that guys gonna b so pissed he wont come near u agian that whole intire match. therefore u have the upper hand and the skill to beat him n can just keep on gunning for him.... so many times have i out BR'd someone while there glitching n had them turn around n call me the cheater lol....

as brock said, anyone is beatable.... do urself a favour n instead of whinging about them, adapt to it.... you'll only become more skilled yourself fromm it n pee off alot of glitchin b-tards in the process

[Edited on 09.10.2007 11:19 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2007 11:18 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
I stopped button glitching a while back because I wanted to see how good I could be just by using expirence, instinct and a basic BR. I havent gotten any better or worse. I dont even get our BRd by people who doubleshot all that often because I use wall glitches and I peekshot alot. Not to sound rude, but I doubt that you get quad-shotted every game and even if you did all youd have to do is modify your tactics around what they are doing.

MLG is a game of strategy moreso than any other in Halo. The reason that all these people out here are whining about getting beating by button glitchers is simply because they arent adjusting their tactics around that to improve. You need to realize and anticipate what they are going to do and because you are completely prepared for whats going to happen, youll be able to make better decisions. You guys need to understand that you arent getting beaten because the other team is button glitching, youre getting beaten because you refuse to adapt.

I realize that when I said that everyone in here is just going to reply "I shouldnt have to adapt because they are cheating!". Think of it as them inadvertantly doing you a favor. By them button glitching you, it gives you the fuel to teach yourself new strategies that otherwise you wouldnt have driven yourself to learn. Youll open yourself up to whole new worlds of playstyles and techniques in MLG and youll find that youll be much better overall.

I dont defend the glitchers because I cant win wthout glitches, ive proven that infact, im less limited (or at least I feel that way) when I dont glitch. Ive played with and without them and so can most of the other great MLG players out there. The problem isnt with them, its with the common players inability to adapt and grow as a player.

Anyone....ANYONE is beatable.


Well yes, I suppose I exaggerated some, but I do get glitched a lot. Like I said, no biggie, I can live.

And you're totally right - there is a strategy to beat anyone. If you're up against a double-shooter, for example, you're not going to win in a 1v1 BR fight. The fact that they are doubleshooting makes them mostly incapacitated to toss nades with precision, for example - or, it at least makes it harder. So know your angles and nade/HS them. Or, get in really close - negates the doubleshot (though it does open you up to get BXR'd).

But Brock, there are definitely times where you will straight up lose against a button glitcher. Sometimes there is nothing you can do. That is what is frustrating. And you'll have a really hard (read:impossible) time convincing me that the problem with MM and MLG games isn't glitchers, and that its people like me refusing to "adapt" (aka glitch as well). Mostly good post though.


First off, like I said. Think of glitchers as them doing you a favor by forcing you to get better. Otherwise you wouldnt have been as motivated would you?
The part where you said "there are definitely times where you will straight up lose against a button glitcher" is true, but then again, that applies to just about every aspect of the game dosent it? Once again, think of it as a blessing in disguise. BxR and all the other glitches are simply weapons that are added to an arsenal of skills. If that player didnt have that weapon, hed still be good but with the weapon it gives him many more options in combat.

In a small sense, glitches are in the same category as host. They are weapons that you can use to make yourself a more complete player. If I found a briefcase on the side of the road with $1,000,000 in it and it had a nametag on it with an address you can bet your ass that id be a million bucks richer even though its illegal to keep that money. Sure, Bungie didnt mean for the glitches to be there but nonetheless, they are in the game and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it. At this point you have three options:

Keep whining about them and keep losing
Learn to adapt and change your strategies and grow as a player
Start button glitching and improve your arsenal of options

Id take either of the bottom two anyday. Not button glitching is going to limit your options in certian situations, but mentally itll make you alot stronger. Using the glitches will give you more "weapons" but most eople tend to rely on them too much and that limits their growth as a player. When I said that you needed to make one of the three choices, you need to realize that the pros made decisions 2&3 at the same time.

[Edited on 09.10.2007 11:29 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2007 11:26 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Two of the best players (and students) that ive had the privilage of working with all this time were absolutely fantastic players with great BR's and good chemistry and communication. When I started working with them, I didnt modify their playstyle...I modified their mentality. Changing the way they thought during the game changed the way they actually played the game and made it far more strategic to them. This in turn made them FAR better than they were before. Mentality and strategy is just as important if not moreso than having a good BR.

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Posted by: ILove2DubShot
Posted by: YOU will be DOA
"OH GET DOUBLE SHOT" to me says, "I can't out BR you unless I use this combo"


No, double shotting takes more skill than just regular out BRing.
Not that it's fair...

modding takes skill believe it or not, but that doesn't make it fair.

It doesn't even matter, these garbage moves will be replaced by Halo 3's pure glory.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Posted by: ILove2DubShot
Posted by: YOU will be DOA
"OH GET DOUBLE SHOT" to me says, "I can't out BR you unless I use this combo"


No, double shotting takes more skill than just regular out BRing.
Not that it's fair...

modding takes skill believe it or not, but that doesn't make it fair.

It doesn't even matter, these garbage moves will be replaced by Halo 3's pure glory.


Comparing modification to animation glitches just doesn't make sense.

What makes it unfair?

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Posted by: dkfrumwithin
Wait, people used to work as a team and called out positions? Where was I!!!

I can only hope that the era of teams-manship comes back with Halo 3. Playing as a team is the most fun thing in a game - even if you lose, one little coordinated plan that worked out can be really satisfying. Too many times I've busted into a room, lowered 3 people's shields, and died doing so, only to have my team stay out of the room arguing over who should get the sword. Ghey.



yeah, i was playing team skrimish one time w/ 3 friends. we lost 3-1 CTF Human on Colossus, most fun we had defending or flag when it was by overshield, just sniping and BR-ing (no button glitches) when they came down, so much fun..good times...

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