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Posted by: caboosebeta
it's not fair to blame just the parents, the kids could play it somewhere else.


I have to disagree with this statement. IMHO, it IS the parent's fault. When I was a kid, my parents not only developed a fear of consequences if I disobeyed or otherwise disappointed them, but also a strong RESPECT for their rules and requests. If I had asked if I could have a certain game, and they told me, "No", I wouldn't have then thought, well, they didn't tell me I couldn't go over to a friend's house and play it. Their command of "No" meant "No...whatsoever!" I knew this, and wouldn't try sneaky ways of circumventing that by obeying the "letter" of the law but not the spirit.

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Posted by: B3OWULF
Posted by: caboosebeta
it's not fair to blame just the parents, the kids could play it somewhere else.


I have to disagree with this statement. IMHO, it IS the parent's fault. When I was a kid, my parents not only developed a fear of consequences if I disobeyed or otherwise disappointed them, but also a strong RESPECT for their rules and requests. If I had asked if I could have a certain game, and they told me, "No", I wouldn't have then thought, well, they didn't tell me I couldn't go over to a friend's house and play it. Their command of "No" meant "No...whatsoever!" I knew this, and wouldn't try sneaky ways of circumventing that by obeying the "letter" of the law but not the spirit.

Trust, honor, and accountability. These characteristics are taught, and learned.


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I have to disagree with this statement. IMHO, it IS the parent's fault. When I was a kid, my parents not only developed a fear of consequences if I disobeyed or otherwise disappointed them, but also a strong RESPECT for their rules and requests. If I had asked if I could have a certain game, and they told me, "No", I wouldn't have then thought, well, they didn't tell me I couldn't go over to a friend's house and play it. Their command of "No" meant "No...whatsoever!" I knew this, and wouldn't try sneaky ways of circumventing that by obeying the "letter" of the law but not the spirit.

Trust, honor, and accountability. These characteristics are taught, and learned.


Yes i agree to some extent, but not all kids see it that way, i, when i was younger saw it the way you did, but i've seen other kids act differently, not choosing to care wht the parents do or say, in those senarios i think it would be down to the kid being the way he is or who the kid was friends with.

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Posted by: SPARTAN mjm
Sigh. I was just in a team snipers match with someone that was 9! I cannot stress enough that somebody that does not know the meaning or is too young to know the words should not be playing a game like this. many people are *** holes in this game and younger players that hear this language and will become the future generations of jerks. Now we all know we all dont want this to happen... Why must parents buy games for children under 13 with this kind of language and violence...? Tell me why you think parents buy games for their kids.


i think that you should stop complaining i think that anyone should be able to play no matter watch age...Ok i understand if there little voice is anyyoing but it doesnt matter as long as they know how to play its alright with me...and look at lil poison hes like 10 and he'll -blam!- you easy

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Posted by: cms516
Posted by: SPARTAN mjm
Sigh. I was just in a team snipers match with someone that was 9! I cannot stress enough that somebody that does not know the meaning or is too young to know the words should not be playing a game like this. many people are *** holes in this game and younger players that hear this language and will become the future generations of jerks. Now we all know we all dont want this to happen... Why must parents buy games for children under 13 with this kind of language and violence...? Tell me why you think parents buy games for their kids.


i think that you should stop complaining i think that anyone should be able to play no matter watch age...Ok i understand if there little voice is anyyoing but it doesnt matter as long as they know how to play its alright with me...and look at lil poison hes like 10 and he'll -blam!- you easy


You're missing the point, young man. No one is disputing the fact that the young people can certainly play well. We are simply speaking about the game ratings themselves. What good are game ratings if they aren't followed and abided by? There is a reason that certain ages shouldn't play certain games, just like there are reasons for other age-related activities. It is because the immature mind cannot handle some of the content that they encounter. Whether or not they THINK they can, is not the issue. ALL kids want to stay up all night and eat nothing but sugar-filled things, but we all know it's not good for them. Same goes with video games. They may be fun, but there are consequences if the kids are exposed to the wrong things. I'm sure your friend is a very good player, as well as you are. However, there is plenty of time for kids of a young age to play the "older games" You need not rush through childhood just because something looks "cool" or "fun".

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The parents are responsible for their childrens actions. I wouldn't let my children play M rated games (If I had children lol). You really shouldn't blame the kids for playing M rated games. If their parents don't tell them right from wrong whats going to happen to them in the future?

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i agree these little kids should get out of the way and let the big dogs play, cuz if they dont ill b the predator and they'll b the prey.... plus they screan too much and make weird sounds and stupid comments

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Ok I'll admit now that I am 13, going to be 14 when Halo 3 comes out. I do play Halo and will get Halo 3 when it comes out, assuredly. Anyways the point isn't their tone of voice necessarily that makes people dislike the young kids, it's that they shouldn't be playing Halo at all. I know you probably think that I'm a hypocrite and that I do the same thing as these kids, but I know the consequences of cussing at an early age, or playing these kind of video games. Such as growing up to be a complete jerk and being disrespectful to your elders. If the kid hears the cussing then he will most likely say those things to his little kid friends. The parenting in this country is for the most part incredibly poor. They shouldn't allow their kids to play these games or XBL period. I totally agree with you on everything you just said. And CABOOSETA, it IS the parents fault if they play it anywhere else. Like if I Go to a friends or something like that, my dad investigates everything that he can to make sure that I am not exposed to certain things that could influence me to do something bad. Like if I went to a friends house and he wanted me to watch Jack*** with him then my dad would say NO and I couldn't go. That is one of many ways to keep the kid from indecent exposure, by just saying NO. Now I can't blame him for letting me play Halo because I believe that I would learn to make better decisions later in life if i knew which ones could lead to destruction and stay away from then then to go along and let him make the decisions for me.




Posted by: B3OWULF
Posted by: caboosebeta
it's not fair to blame just the parents, the kids could play it somewhere else.


I have to disagree with this statement. IMHO, it IS the parent's fault. When I was a kid, my parents not only developed a fear of consequences if I disobeyed or otherwise disappointed them, but also a strong RESPECT for their rules and requests. If I had asked if I could have a certain game, and they told me, "No", I wouldn't have then thought, well, they didn't tell me I couldn't go over to a friend's house and play it. Their command of "No" meant "No...whatsoever!" I knew this, and wouldn't try sneaky ways of circumventing that by obeying the "letter" of the law but not the spirit.

Trust, honor, and accountability. These characteristics are taught, and learned.

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i was playing rainbow 6 vegas and there was a 8 year old kid, he was raw i won't lie

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It's scary how young some of these kids are online. I think one of the worst things you could do to a kid under age 8 is allow him to play video games for hours on end each day.

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Little kids piss me off. One time I was playing online in halo 2, then a little kid randomly starts screaming, it -blam!- up my left speaker. I was so pissed, I left that kid so much bad feedback I hope he got banned, I spent like 200$ something on that sound system, I had to get a whole new set of speakers for it all because a little kid. It was in the middle of the game too, so I never expected it with my sound up a little more than I usually have it as.

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Posted by: brianv
Little kids piss me off. One time I was playing online in halo 2, then a little kid randomly starts screaming, it -blam!- up my left speaker. I was so pissed, I left that kid so much bad feedback I hope he got banned, I spent like 200$ something on that sound system, I had to get a whole new set of speakers for it all because a little kid. It was in the middle of the game too, so I never expected it with my sound up a little more than I usually have it as.


Whoa, the kid was so loud, he blew out your speakers? Damn.

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Posted by: brianv
Little kids piss me off. One time I was playing online in halo 2, then a little kid randomly starts screaming, it -blam!- up my left speaker. I was so pissed, I left that kid so much bad feedback I hope he got banned, I spent like 200$ something on that sound system, I had to get a whole new set of speakers for it all because a little kid. It was in the middle of the game too, so I never expected it with my sound up a little more than I usually have it as.


Whoa, the kid was so loud, he blew out your speakers? Damn.


Is that possible?

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Posted by: RL King
Posted by: brianv
Little kids piss me off. One time I was playing online in halo 2, then a little kid randomly starts screaming, it -blam!- up my left speaker. I was so pissed, I left that kid so much bad feedback I hope he got banned, I spent like 200$ something on that sound system, I had to get a whole new set of speakers for it all because a little kid. It was in the middle of the game too, so I never expected it with my sound up a little more than I usually have it as.


Whoa, the kid was so loud, he blew out your speakers? Damn.


Is that possible?


There was a guy who had a snore that was louder than rush hour traffic, so I guess it's possible.

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Actually, I'm only an early teen (please don't be mad) and I play Halo, but don't go on Xbox Live. I have to say it's the best game EVER, but you don't see me cussing every other word or killing people. I think that the fault should be the kids AND te parents (but mostly the parent). It actually depends on the child. My parents let me play because I'm not the type to go out swearing and commiting myself to violence.Other kids however (who don't have the discipline) I thinkg should not be able to play Halo or any M rated games. The parent's letting their undisciplined schild to play these game take much of the blame, but sometimes the kids should be smart enough to judge themselves. If they know that swearing and shooting is bad, then should be taking the rest of the blame for continuing to do it. Thank you



P.S. I have an Xbox Live account, but that's really my friend's

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Posted by: FemmeFatale666
Posted by: cms516
Posted by: SPARTAN mjm
Sigh. I was just in a team snipers match with someone that was 9! I cannot stress enough that somebody that does not know the meaning or is too young to know the words should not be playing a game like this. many people are *** holes in this game and younger players that hear this language and will become the future generations of jerks. Now we all know we all dont want this to happen... Why must parents buy games for children under 13 with this kind of language and violence...? Tell me why you think parents buy games for their kids.


i think that you should stop complaining i think that anyone should be able to play no matter watch age...Ok i understand if there little voice is anyyoing but it doesnt matter as long as they know how to play its alright with me...and look at lil poison hes like 10 and he'll -blam!- you easy


You're missing the point, young man. No one is disputing the fact that the young people can certainly play well. We are simply speaking about the game ratings themselves. What good are game ratings if they aren't followed and abided by? There is a reason that certain ages shouldn't play certain games, just like there are reasons for other age-related activities. It is because the immature mind cannot handle some of the content that they encounter. Whether or not they THINK they can, is not the issue. ALL kids want to stay up all night and eat nothing but sugar-filled things, but we all know it's not good for them. Same goes with video games. They may be fun, but there are consequences if the kids are exposed to the wrong things. I'm sure your friend is a very good player, as well as you are. However, there is plenty of time for kids of a young age to play the "older games" You need not rush through childhood just because something looks "cool" or "fun".


i full heartenly agree with u there, man i wish that when i was yoounger i had a mum like u=)

feel free to send me a friends request also as i like to play with the more mature aged ppl(i have tons of 30+, 40+ yr olds on my list)

btw the lil poison kid he speaks of is a 8yr old(possibly older now, but i dont keep track as i believe pros are just kids with way to much time on there hands but that is nother subject entirerly) pro and is the youngest ever pro in halo...

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pshhhh
IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!
Only worry about the noisy ones and immature ones who swear cause their mom's not around.
It only matters if their mature. Me, Im young, but im mature. so i can play.
treat others equally regardless of the height of their voice. their MATURITY counts
Mature kids like me wont swear at a young age.
Thats my opinion.

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Posted by: BADDMAN45
I tend to agree that too many children play this game. It is rated M for a reason, and it is up to the parents to decide if their child should be exposed to this.... On that thought,some parents use games as a babysitter for their children, and don't care what the game is. As adult gamers, it's our responsibility to check our language during a match. Anybody that has a problem with that should review the policies and rules of using XBOX LIVE. If you hear someone dishing out too much vulgarity, report them. If it's a kid, let hime or her explain to their parents why their account has been suspended! If you yourself are one of those vulgar gamers, do us all a favor and take your headset off, you arent impressing anyone.

im young but not influenced by swearing idiots. you have a great point though

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Posted by: TokenBlackGuy4U
if u hear a kid swearing and what not just simply ask him who bought him/her there xbox?

if the answer is mummy or daddy then ask them this....

"does mummy n daddy know what type of laungue ppl use on here or is ur voice output set to ur headset only?"

usually u never get a reply n they either shut up for the rest of the match or just leave straight away....

i think thst is the problem, partents of these small children that r playing wouldnt have a clue as to what there child is listening too over xbl as they wouldnt know that u could set the voice to come out of the tv n not just the headset....

if kids were forced to have there voice output set to come from the tv then there parents would hear what ppl say over xbl and then in my oppinion there would b alot less children on here as mummy n daddy would take halo off them...

that is just my oppinion....

i gotta say that ur right about those lil confused swearing toddlers. i never swear ever. im young but never swear/im mature enough to play.
token not ftw, your newest post... ehhh?

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Posted by: FemmeFatale666
Speaking as a mom of 3 sons, I agree that the parents have the responsibility to monitor what their children are subjected to. As a Halo gamer, I too have noticed that there are recently more and more younger and younger children playing this game. Ok, may the violence of the game isn't half as bad as some of the other M rated games out there, but when you put your child on Live and give him a headset, you are subjecting him/her to all kinds of immoral and immature behavior. This in turn, teaches the child the improper way to conduct himself in a social setting and leads to problems later on. There needs to be more involvement with the parents. Sadly, many just do not care or cannot be bothered. Some don't understand that video games and Live REALLY DO affect their children's emotional growth. I'm sick and tired of these parents who have their children only to let someone else like Microsoft raise them. It's not the kids that are to blame, rather, they are the victims. All I can say is to gamers who come across children that are WAY too young to play, is to be kind (yes, even if they aren't...it's "LEARNED" behavior they are expressing after all). If they are completely unruly, just mute them.

The parents know what they're doing, hopefully. But remember, not ALL kids are influenced by the swearing. I flamed you, I am sorry. I misunderstood you. Yes, parents do need to be involved, but don't go overboard with this. After reading your post over, I agree with you, and once again, I am sorry for my misunderstanding. I wish to be forgiven, but I keep my original word to other people of the different ideals for this thread.

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[quote]Posted by: TuPadre125Nat
Ok I'll admit now that I am 13, going to be 14 when Halo 3 comes out. I do play Halo and will get Halo 3 when it comes out, assuredly. Anyways the point isn't their tone of voice necessarily that makes people dislike the young kids, it's that they shouldn't be playing Halo at all. I know you probably think that I'm a hypocrite and that I do the same thing as these kids, but I know the consequences of cussing at an early age, or playing these kind of video games. Such as growing up to be a complete jerk and being disrespectful to your elders. If the kid hears the cussing then he will most likely say those things to his little kid friends. The parenting in this country is for the most part incredibly poor. They shouldn't allow their kids to play these games or XBL period. I totally agree with you on everything you just said. And CABOOSETA, it IS the parents fault if they play it anywhere else. Like if I Go to a friends or something like that, my dad investigates everything that he can to make sure that I am not exposed to certain things that could influence me to do something bad. Like if I went to a friends house and he wanted me to watch Jack*** with him then my dad would say NO and I couldn't go. That is one of many ways to keep the kid from indecent exposure, by just saying NO. Now I can't blame him for letting me play Halo because I believe that I would learn to make better decisions later in life if i knew which ones could lead to destruction and stay away from then then to go along and let him make the decisions for me.


Well if you read earlier then you would have realised that i didnt say its not the parents fault i just said ro an extent you can get kids that have no regard for rules and regulations, they dnt listen to parents or anyone. And you saying all this but your playing a mature game, so you really can't talk can you.

  • 09.14.2007 5:16 AM PDT

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you can't stop the swearing, it's an M rated game, we can swear as much as we like (not that i do myself, i have a large enough vocabulary) and this is the reason why those underage should not be playing this game online. i've already outlined some more than credible points on the first page of this thread, read them before you decide whether or not to flame me.

this thread isn't about a minority of kids playing H2 and being annoying, it's about whether or not it is healthy for any children to be playing an M rated game on LIVE. I understand a lot of you who are underage behave well, play well and basically enjoy the game for what it's supposed to be, but, like other adult designated places, pubs clubs etc, you may indeed be able to behave yourself if you could get inside, but the fact is we don't want you there. It's not because we don't like you, it's because we don’t
a) want to have to worry about what we talk about without having to check over our shoulders to see if there's a ten year old sitting behind us and
b) you really should be out improving your social skills, not stunting them.

and to those kids that cry "my mum says it's ok, keep your nose out of her parenting ability"
i reply...
I wonder if your mum really understands what it is you're playing, ask her if she'll allow you to join an M rated chat room, she'd be mad to say yes, and yet she probably doesn't realise that an M rated game on LIVe is just that, an Adult chat room with guns.

computer games like these aren’t going to disappear, in fact by the time you reach maturity you'll probably have a choice of adult games that far outshines the choice i have today. You've got an entire lifetime to be an adult, it may seem like an age away but believe me it flies past, and if you don't make the most of being a kid while you still are young you'll only regret it when you're older.


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