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Posted by: B3OWULF
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it's not fair to blame just the parents, the kids could play it somewhere else.


I have to disagree with this statement. IMHO, it IS the parent's fault. When I was a kid, my parents not only developed a fear of consequences if I disobeyed or otherwise disappointed them, but also a strong RESPECT for their rules and requests. If I had asked if I could have a certain game, and they told me, "No", I wouldn't have then thought, well, they didn't tell me I couldn't go over to a friend's house and play it. Their command of "No" meant "No...whatsoever!" I knew this, and wouldn't try sneaky ways of circumventing that by obeying the "letter" of the law but not the spirit.

Trust, honor, and accountability. These characteristics are taught, and learned.

I do as they say, they can let their kids play xbox live. they have their reasons. If those reasons are good, they didnt do anything wrong. Its their families, their kids, their WAYS

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Posted by: jonny oizumi
Posted by: starwarskd
honestly im younger. Not 9 but under 17 for sure.

If the kids like myself play then there parents had to have read the rules while they signed up for live so if they agree to that then its fine..

I dont really know whats the problem..

the only problem i see is the fact that younger players are beating you and your sick of it?

If they say there 9 cant they be lieing?


I go and say im 20. People beleive me but im younger.


With you all the way man. They're just tired of getting beaten by ppl younger than them so they talk crap. youre trying to rashionalize the fact that YOU want kids off of xbl. This goes out to the idiots that have a problem with kids playing xbl. Video Games WERE originally MEANT FOR KIDS! Im glad im not one of YOU. I have friends because of that.


u are incorrect there my friend, when were video games ever originally meant for kids? who made the first video game? not a kid i can tell u that. was it just made for just kids, nope it wasnt...

video games where made just as games in general and tv and radio(now thats going back in the day) was made for. entertainment(wow big word, hope u can understand it)...

all these things that u take for granted today were made for entertainment, they were not ever only made for kids or adults, hence y u now see ratings on everythig(video games, cd's, Tv/movies, even board games) so the ppl that fit into that group can only play(its how it should b anyway)...

if u go to the movies and go to watch a movie rated MA 15+ are u allowed in by yourself if ur underage? no, u must have a parent or gaurdian because the rating says ur not old enough to view it as u may not understand some of the things in that movie and u may take them the wrong way. that or its just plan too violent or rude for ur eyes/ears...

if u go to a bar and u underage are u allowed in? No! why's that?coz of the Age rating that has been put down stating that u have to b of a certain age to enter...

Same with strip clubs, same with adult chat lines. same wth adualt forums. same with anything that has an age rating....

so y should games b the only acception to this rule?

no1 is saying kids shouldnt play video games, we're just saying that you's should only b allowed to play games that u are old enough to play... if the ratings system works on everything else its put on to y doesnt it work on video games?

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  • 09.15.2007 12:28 AM PDT
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all of you would get owned by Lil Poison the halo 2 pro and hes only 9 years old

  • 09.15.2007 11:02 AM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN mjm
Sigh. I was just in a team snipers match with someone that was 9! I cannot stress enough that somebody that does not know the meaning or is too young to know the words should not be playing a game like this. many people are *** holes in this game and younger players that hear this language and will become the future generations of jerks. Now we all know we all dont want this to happen... Why must parents buy games for children under 13 with this kind of language and violence...? Tell me why you think parents buy games for their kids.

My very first friend on XBL was 9 lol! I think I met him in my very first game, and I think I was still playing on my brother's account back then. He probably thought I was a little boy or something. I think his name was Zdogg 15.

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  • 09.15.2007 1:17 PM PDT

Posted by: jonny oizumi
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It's all about the parents.

yep. Its all about what they do. If you see a kid playing xbl his/her parents had a reason because its rated M (in Japan CERO 15+) For those telling parents to take kids off of xbl,
WHO ARE YOU TO TELL THEM TO RAISE THEIR KIDS! brainless.....

I am stating that if my Daughter acted how half of these kids do, I would definitely have to discipline her. But then again, I wouldn't let her play the game if she couldn't prove she was mature enough for it.

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Posted by: TokenBlackGuy4U
entertainment(wow big word, hope u can understand it)...

Did you look that up in a dictionary? Wow good job!

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u are incorrect there my friend, when were video games ever originally meant for kids? who made the first video game? not a kid i can tell u that. was it just made for just kids, nope it wasnt...

video games where made just as games in general and tv and radio(now thats going back in the day) was made for. entertainment(wow big word, hope u can understand it)...

all these things that u take for granted today were made for entertainment, they were not ever only made for kids or adults, hence y u now see ratings on everythig(video games, cd's, Tv/movies, even board games) so the ppl that fit into that group can only play(its how it should b anyway)...

if u go to the movies and go to watch a movie rated MA 15+ are u allowed in by yourself if ur underage? no, u must have a parent or gaurdian because the rating says ur not old enough to view it as u may not understand some of the things in that movie and u may take them the wrong way. that or its just plan too violent or rude for ur eyes/ears...

if u go to a bar and u underage are u allowed in? No! why's that?coz of the Age rating that has been put down stating that u have to b of a certain age to enter...

Same with strip clubs, same with adult chat lines. same wth adualt forums. same with anything that has an age rating....

so y should games b the only acception to this rule?

no1 is saying kids shouldnt play video games, we're just saying that you's should only b allowed to play games that u are old enough to play... if the ratings system works on everything else its put on to y doesnt it work on video games?

Video games are not bars or strip bars. What kind of... *sigh* Why would you compare Halo 2 to strip bars. Oh my god. I was wrong about you, I thought you actually had at least a two digit IQ. Guess not, *sigh*... Ever heard of parental controls? The parents should be there when xbl is put on. Then they would know more. Its a GAME you one digit IQ man.
Kids wont go to bars or strip clubs. Video games are meant for entertainment dictionary man, youre right. But why are games like strip bars? Do you see nudity in Halo 2? Nope. Its just the ppl that speak online and the little gore in there. Ratings are law for buying, not Playing. So youre saying that Mature rated games are exactly like Strip Clubs and Bars. NO! Its a game. Play it not complain.


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  • 09.21.2007 2:55 AM PDT

It's true that video games are not meant just for kids.

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Posted by: ironman Tetsuo
you can't stop the swearing, it's an M rated game, we can swear as much as we like (not that i do myself, i have a large enough vocabulary) and this is the reason why those underage should not be playing this game online. i've already outlined some more than credible points on the first page of this thread, read them before you decide whether or not to flame me.

this thread isn't about a minority of kids playing H2 and being annoying, it's about whether or not it is healthy for any children to be playing an M rated game on LIVE. I understand a lot of you who are underage behave well, play well and basically enjoy the game for what it's supposed to be, but, like other adult designated places, pubs clubs etc, you may indeed be able to behave yourself if you could get inside, but the fact is we don't want you there. It's not because we don't like you, it's because we don’t
a) want to have to worry about what we talk about without having to check over our shoulders to see if there's a ten year old sitting behind us and
b) you really should be out improving your social skills, not stunting them.

and to those kids that cry "my mum says it's ok, keep your nose out of her parenting ability"
i reply...
I wonder if your mum really understands what it is you're playing, ask her if she'll allow you to join an M rated chat room, she'd be mad to say yes, and yet she probably doesn't realise that an M rated game on LIVe is just that, an Adult chat room with guns.

Is it truly any of your problems if the kids play xbl?
If it were an adult chat room, there would be no kids on xbl because the parents should know what its like there. Go make a real adult chat room if you wanna say something about it. Xbox LIVE is for GAMES not whiners. ITS A GAME NOT AN ADULT CHAT ROOM. PARENTS ARE NOT DUMB ENOUGH TO LET THEIR KIDS GO INTO ADULT CHAT ROOMS. THAT IS WHY THERE ARE KIDS ON XBL. BECAUSE ITS A GAME. IF YOU HEAR YoUr KID SWEARING, DISCIPLINE THEM. Simple. Wash their mouth out with soap, do something. If there is a kid listening to the swearing tell them to mute them. If they dont, ignore it. You cant ban kids from xbl because you would have to ban them from MANY other things too. You cant ban kids from xbl because of other ppl. Kids can play GAMES. Get a job and get on with it. At least you will have something to worry about other than a kid listening to swearing. Deal with your own life.
Posted by: ironman Tetsuo
computer games like these aren’t going to disappear, in fact by the time you reach maturity you'll probably have a choice of adult games that far outshines the choice i have today. You've got an entire lifetime to be an adult, it may seem like an age away but believe me it flies past, and if you don't make the most of being a kid while you still are young you'll only regret it when you're older.

We are enjoying our childhood by playing video games because hopefully we'll have LIVES and we will have JOBS and we wont have to post on forums that are saying "Kids shouldnt be able to play xbox live beacause ppl swear,". We just wanna play a game without you bugging us about it. Why do you people keep doing this? If you have a kid, do what you want, raise him/her good. Just dont make a thread saying carrrappppp like this. Just because you're doing a "good" job, you dont need to make a thread that from my point of view is COMPLAINING. You dont want kids on xbl. Plain and simple. Yes its ok to play xbl if youre a kid. Just be mature. Halo 2 will not turn a 9 year old into a serial killer. Halo gives no disregard of a child's future.Why would you even say that, Spartan?

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
It's true that video games are not meant just for kids.

Originally they were. Did they expect at first that older ppl would play mario? No. Mario and pac man and dig dug were pointed for entertainment for kids. Now not all games are, but they originally were.

  • 09.21.2007 4:07 AM PDT

Nope. The first true graphical video game, space war, was made by MIT students just for the hell of doing it.

Some games are targeted at kids, but the fact is that they did not start out as entertainment solely for children and they are not entertainment solely for children now. Mature-rated and even adult-only games are regularly put out, with mature themes and even jokes and references only older people will get. They are made by 20- and 30-something developers, some are even olderr The average age of the gamer is fast approaching 30.

You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Nope. The first true graphical video game, space war, was made by MIT students just for the hell of doing it.

Some games are targeted at kids, but the fact is that they did not start out as entertainment solely for children and they are not entertainment solely for children now. Mature-rated and even adult-only games are regularly put out, with mature themes and even jokes and references only older people will get. They are made by 20- and 30-something developers, some are even olderr The average age of the gamer is fast approaching 30.

You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?

Hmmm did I say fps's were pointed towards kids? I didn't mean to anger you.
What's with you? "You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?" You really sound mad. Whats wrong? You seriously sound like you need a GRIP.
Was I talking about MIT? Was I talking about DOOM? Was I talking about 30 year old bums who live in their basement? Nope triple DEE.
I mean the great home games such as donkey kong and mario bros were not pointed towards adults. They were entertainment, yes, but they were for kids. No one plays a game made by MIT students made for the hell of it. Arcade games were made for everyone but most NES games were made for younger entertainment, not for 30 year olds who live in their moms basement like Live Free or Die Hard's Warlock. Don't get mad, you seemed angry on your last sentence.
You must not have heard of Mario or Donkey Kong or Legend of Zelda. I meant the first home games, like NES games. Not an Atari with Pac-man on it. Read about video games, I wasnt born yesterday. Mature games werent made first. PONG was. I was talking about home games. Not MIT. Guess what angry man, FPS games were not the first games ever made! I never said that, triple DEE.You assume too much my friend.
Read the whole thread the next time, I never was talking about the latest M rated games for this subject. Logic. Use it.
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Posted by: TokenBlackGuy4U
Posted by: jonny oizumi
Posted by: starwarskd
honestly im younger. Not 9 but under 17 for sure.

If the kids like myself play then there parents had to have read the rules while they signed up for live so if they agree to that then its fine..

I dont really know whats the problem..

the only problem i see is the fact that younger players are beating you and your sick of it?

If they say there 9 cant they be lieing?


I go and say im 20. People beleive me but im younger.


With you all the way man. They're just tired of getting beaten by ppl younger than them so they talk crap. youre trying to rashionalize the fact that YOU want kids off of xbl. This goes out to the idiots that have a problem with kids playing xbl. Video Games WERE originally MEANT FOR KIDS! Im glad im not one of YOU. I have friends because of that.


u are incorrect there my friend, when were video games ever originally meant for kids? who made the first video game? not a kid i can tell u that. was it just made for just kids, nope it wasnt...

video games where made just as games in general and tv and radio(now thats going back in the day) was made for. entertainment(wow big word, hope u can understand it)...

all these things that u take for granted today were made for entertainment, they were not ever only made for kids or adults, hence y u now see ratings on everythig(video games, cd's, Tv/movies, even board games) so the ppl that fit into that group can only play(its how it should b anyway)...

if u go to the movies and go to watch a movie rated MA 15+ are u allowed in by yourself if ur underage? no, u must have a parent or gaurdian because the rating says ur not old enough to view it as u may not understand some of the things in that movie and u may take them the wrong way. that or its just plan too violent or rude for ur eyes/ears...

if u go to a bar and u underage are u allowed in? No! why's that?coz of the Age rating that has been put down stating that u have to b of a certain age to enter...

Same with strip clubs, same with adult chat lines. same wth adualt forums. same with anything that has an age rating....

so y should games b the only acception to this rule?

no1 is saying kids shouldnt play video games, we're just saying that you's should only b allowed to play games that u are old enough to play... if the ratings system works on everything else its put on to y doesnt it work on video games?

By allowed, the parents let them. The parents have control over their kids, not ESRB or whatever it is back in america. The reason it doesnt work is because da ESRB doesnt own the kids. No one does. Plus, why are you making threads about this. I have a different point of view, and starwarskd said it. (I live in Japan!! CERO Ratingz!) In Japan, 15 yr olds and older can buy the games. plus, anyone buys the game in japan unless it's like CERO Z (18 and up such as GoW).
OMG. I know that a kid didnt make the first video game. I wasnt born yesterday. Youre saying that if an adult makes something, its not pointed towards kids. "u are incorrect my friend."
Video games like mario werent pointed towards the "average" gamer that is a 30 yr old bum who lives in his mama's basement. They were for entertainment dictionary man, yes. But you focus on the 21st century, IM talkin about 20th. Got it? By originally (wow big word, hope you can understand it) I mean Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros. The first video game wasnt a M rated game. Read a sentence non kid man.

Good bye, have fun thinking how much you think IM stupid the way i think most of you are... *Leaves thread and never comes back*

[Edited on 09.21.2007 6:13 AM PDT]

  • 09.21.2007 6:01 AM PDT

Posted by: jonny oizumi
Posted by: RhythmKiller
Nope. The first true graphical video game, space war, was made by MIT students just for the hell of doing it.

Some games are targeted at kids, but the fact is that they did not start out as entertainment solely for children and they are not entertainment solely for children now. Mature-rated and even adult-only games are regularly put out, with mature themes and even jokes and references only older people will get. They are made by 20- and 30-something developers, some are even olderr The average age of the gamer is fast approaching 30.

You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?

Hmmm did I say fps's were pointed towards kids? I didn't mean to anger you.
What's with you? "You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?" You really sound mad. Whats wrong? You seriously sound like you need a GRIP.
Was I talking about MIT? Was I talking about DOOM? Was I talking about 30 year old bums who live in their basement? Nope triple DEE.
I mean the great home games such as donkey kong and mario bros were not pointed towards adults. They were entertainment, yes, but they were for kids. No one plays a game made by MIT students made for the hell of it. Arcade games were made for everyone but most NES games were made for younger entertainment, not for 30 year olds who live in their moms basement like Live Free or Die Hard's Warlock. Don't get mad, you seemed angry on your last sentence.
You must not have heard of Mario or Donkey Kong or Legend of Zelda. I meant the first home games, like NES games. Not an Atari with Pac-man on it. Read about video games, I wasnt born yesterday. Mature games werent made first. PONG was. I was talking about home games. Not MIT. Guess what angry man, FPS games were not the first games ever made! I never said that, triple DEE.You assume too much my friend.
Read the whole thread the next time, I never was talking about the latest M rated games for this subject. Logic. Use it.
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As gratifying as I'm sure it is for you to smugly indulge yourself with visions of anyone contradicting you being an angry nutjob, I have to burst your bubble there and explain that nobody is getting angry here. Do not mistake a challenging question for an angry jibe, even if it does make you feel good to do so.

So what you are saying, is that the "first" games - as defined by your own narrow, subjective and highly arbitrary criteria - were intended for children. There are two problems here. The first is that your definition of the 'first' games seems to have no foundation, except what satisfies your argument. There were adult-oriented games before the release of the NES (like Infocom's early text-based interactive fiction, and godawful 'video game nasties' like the often-referenced 'custer's revenge') and there were adult ariented games after it too. Back in the 70s and early 80s a large portion of games were designed by young adult technology enthusiasts, just for other people like them. The same can often be said now. You have just taken a tiny slice of video game history, called it the genesis of video gaming, and then on that basis saying that all games were originally meant for children. In the infancy of video games almost no children even had access to computers. The second problem is that even if you were right, and all video games were originally meant for children, what bearing does that have now? I wouldn't say kids shouldn't play games even if some of them ARE filled with adult content. But to say they are just for kids, or even were just for kids at some point in the past, is lunacy.

Some sections of the video game market are, and were historically, aimed at kids as I agreed. But at no point in time was that ever true of all games.

  • 09.21.2007 6:37 AM PDT

How about you both just shut up because what you're arguing over really isn't worth arguing over!

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Beat LiL Poison 15 - 2 his host. HeZ a bK.

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Dude, I was 10 when I played Halo: CE and I'm 17 now about to play Halo 3. Not one time did I want to kill, shoot or throw a grenade at someone in my life. I'd be more worried about what kind of movies my kid watches, if I was a parent that is.

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Posted by: oXzIdE
Beat LiL Poison 15 - 2 his host. HeZ a bK.


No you didnt

  • 09.21.2007 4:05 PM PDT

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I myself am only 11 years old, except I am not like the other younger -blam!-s on Xbox Live. I do not yell and scream into my earphone/headset, and because of everyone's complaining to my squeaky voice, which the headset makes even squeakier, I rarely talk at all, because I respect what everyone else is saying. I, like everybody else, hate the 9 year old screamers in Big Team Battle, but some of you are discriminating based solely on age, which is being very unfair to an actually very big minority.

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Posted by: XboxGuy1234
I myself am only 11 years old, except I am not like the other younger -blam!-s on Xbox Live. I do not yell and scream into my earphone/headset, and because of everyone's complaining to my squeaky voice, which the headset makes even squeakier, I rarely talk at all, because I respect what everyone else is saying. I, like everybody else, hate the 9 year old screamers in Big Team Battle, but some of you are discriminating based solely on age, which is being very unfair to an actually very big minority.

Yes! Thank you. I am one year younger than you, but yes, I fully agree with you. They are discriminating, it is unfair, yes, this is the kind of guy I wanna play with.

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Posted by: xl OC Girl lx
How about you both just shut up because what you're arguing over really isn't worth arguing over!

Ok, I'm not arguing or fighting with rhythm, Im just trying to show him what I mean, which he doesnt understand. Yes, we should shut up about that because it's off topic to the thread.

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Posted by: SPARTAN mjm
Sigh. I was just in a team snipers match with someone that was 9! I cannot stress enough that somebody that does not know the meaning or is too young to know the words should not be playing a game like this. many people are *** holes in this game and younger players that hear this language and will become the future generations of jerks. Now we all know we all dont want this to happen... Why must parents buy games for children under 13 with this kind of language and violence...? Tell me why you think parents buy games for their kids.

You assume too much. Did you win that game, or was he on your team. Not all kids are idiots influenced by other swearing idiots. I cannot stress enough that you are discriminating against kids! The funny thing is, The subject sounds like a complaint, and from my point of view, YOU dont want kids on xbl for another reason. I mean, look where he started his post. Right after "I was just in a team snipers match with someone who was 9!" I laugh at what that could tell me. You seem like you dont want kids to play Halo 2 on xbl. Are they beating you or something? A friendly question. Take care... of your crazy thread.

  • 09.21.2007 5:25 PM PDT