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Posted by: RhythmKiller
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Nope. The first true graphical video game, space war, was made by MIT students just for the hell of doing it.

Some games are targeted at kids, but the fact is that they did not start out as entertainment solely for children and they are not entertainment solely for children now. Mature-rated and even adult-only games are regularly put out, with mature themes and even jokes and references only older people will get. They are made by 20- and 30-something developers, some are even olderr The average age of the gamer is fast approaching 30.

You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?

Hmmm did I say fps's were pointed towards kids? I didn't mean to anger you.
What's with you? "You think the first true FPS games were targeted at kids? You think DOOM was made with kids in mind?" You really sound mad. Whats wrong? You seriously sound like you need a GRIP.
Was I talking about MIT? Was I talking about DOOM? Was I talking about 30 year old bums who live in their basement? Nope triple DEE.
I mean the great home games such as donkey kong and mario bros were not pointed towards adults. They were entertainment, yes, but they were for kids. No one plays a game made by MIT students made for the hell of it. Arcade games were made for everyone but most NES games were made for younger entertainment, not for 30 year olds who live in their moms basement like Live Free or Die Hard's Warlock. Don't get mad, you seemed angry on your last sentence.
You must not have heard of Mario or Donkey Kong or Legend of Zelda. I meant the first home games, like NES games. Not an Atari with Pac-man on it. Read about video games, I wasnt born yesterday. Mature games werent made first. PONG was. I was talking about home games. Not MIT. Guess what angry man, FPS games were not the first games ever made! I never said that, triple DEE.You assume too much my friend.
Read the whole thread the next time, I never was talking about the latest M rated games for this subject. Logic. Use it.
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As gratifying as I'm sure it is for you to smugly indulge yourself with visions of anyone contradicting you being an angry nutjob, I have to burst your bubble there and explain that nobody is getting angry here. Do not mistake a challenging question for an angry jibe, even if it does make you feel good to do so.

So what you are saying, is that the "first" games - as defined by your own narrow, subjective and highly arbitrary criteria - were intended for children. There are two problems here. The first is that your definition of the 'first' games seems to have no foundation, except what satisfies your argument. There were adult-oriented games before the release of the NES (like Infocom's early text-based interactive fiction, and godawful 'video game nasties' like the often-referenced 'custer's revenge') and there were adult ariented games after it too. Back in the 70s and early 80s a large portion of games were designed by young adult technology enthusiasts, just for other people like them. The same can often be said now. You have just taken a tiny slice of video game history, called it the genesis of video gaming, and then on that basis saying that all games were originally meant for children. In the infancy of video games almost no children even had access to computers. The second problem is that even if you were right, and all video games were originally meant for children, what bearing does that have now? I wouldn't say kids shouldn't play games even if some of them ARE filled with adult content. But to say they are just for kids, or even were just for kids at some point in the past, is lunacy.

Some sections of the video game market are, and were historically, aimed at kids as I agreed. But at no point in time was that ever true of all games.

What? I never said that all games were pointed towards kids. You misunderstand me. Good bye rhythm.

  • 09.21.2007 5:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: jonny oizumi
What? I never said that all games were pointed towards kids. You misunderstand me. Good bye rhythm.


Video games were MEANT for the kids.

The fact is that this is an ignorant statement to be making, almost as ignorant as when you cited losing as a reason why someone doesnt like little kids.

Here are some things that Ive realized in my experience on xbl
1. An abnormally high portion of kids in MM are trash talkers
2. A large number of them have high pitched annoying squeaky little voices
3. Generally they arent as good as older gamers.

This is why so many people jump at little kids, because youre own group has created a negative stereotype for itself. Is it entirely fair, no. Should you blame older people, no. You should blame the annoying kids who are giving the good ones a bad name.


QFT

Thank you.

  • 09.21.2007 7:01 PM PDT

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I think you shoud just give parents the choice if they think its ok then its ok, most of the time the parents buy the game for them so they now what thier childs dealing with.

  • 09.21.2007 7:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: ZeroDefiance
Now, my question to you is, do you actually know his age? Believe it or not, the xbox/360 headset changes your voice, it can make some people sound younger, older and even make your voice sound very nazely.
lmfao nazely... thats just kids wearing breath right strips because they have a cold. lmfao.

  • 09.21.2007 8:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: jonny oizumi
What? I never said that all games were pointed towards kids. You misunderstand me. Good bye rhythm.


Video games were MEANT for the kids.
(me): Wtf?! Ummm okay. I never said that video games were meant for kids? Now THAT is an ignorant statement. You can't read a sentence obviously.)
The fact is that this is an ignorant statement to be making, almost as ignorant as when you cited losing as a reason why someone doesnt like little kids.

Here are some things that Ive realized in my experience on xbl
1. An abnormally high portion of kids in MM are trash talkers
2. A large number of them have high pitched annoying squeaky little voices
3. Generally they arent as good as older gamers.

This is why so many people jump at little kids, because youre own group has created a negative stereotype for itself. Is it entirely fair, no. Should you blame older people, no. You should blame the annoying kids who are giving the good ones a bad name.

1. Yes
2.Yes
3. Half yes, most of the kids I play with are quite good. Maybe you play with different ppl tho.
The kids don't just take the language out of nowhere. They have TV, outside in the USA, the mall, lots of places. We can blame adults for swearing non stop. Losing is a reason why a lot of ppl hate kids on xbl. Some ppl try to hide it. I have seen ppl say "Get a LIFE you little kid. The only reason you beat me is because you play more and cant like go outside..." etc. I blame both parties. Us for listening, and them for teaching. You do have a point tho.

*Sigh* Can't we just play a FRIENDLY game with ppl of all ages WITHOUT posting threads about little kids and certain "disregard for children's futures".
It's a game not a debate starter. I'm gonna go play a game of something. Halo 2 maybe and hopefully, I'll have NICE ppl to play with.
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  • 09.21.2007 8:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: halo killer die
I think you shoud just give parents the choice if they think its ok then its ok, most of the time the parents buy the game for them so they now what thier childs dealing with.

Yes! Yes! YES! Finally! Finally another person says EXACTLY what I said. I full-heartedly agree with you.

  • 09.21.2007 8:43 PM PDT
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The Jonnynator
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The Jonny
I am back.


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  • 09.21.2007 9:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: jonny oizumi
Half yes, most of the kids I play with are quite good. Maybe you play with different ppl tho.
The kids don't just take the language out of nowhere. They have TV, outside in the USA, the mall, lots of places. We can blame adults for swearing non stop. Losing is a reason why a lot of ppl hate kids on xbl. Some ppl try to hide it. I have seen ppl say "Get a LIFE you little kid. The only reason you beat me is because you play more and cant like go outside..." etc. I blame both parties. Us for listening, and them for teaching. You do have a point tho.


But the thing is, i HATE playing with little kids, and I rarely lose. i just hate their effect on every game. it seems like they either cause fights or are a magnet for them

  • 09.21.2007 9:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: XboxGuy1234
I myself am only 11 years old, except I am not like the other younger -blam!-s on Xbox Live. I do not yell and scream into my earphone/headset, and because of everyone's complaining to my squeaky voice, which the headset makes even squeakier, I rarely talk at all, because I respect what everyone else is saying. I, like everybody else, hate the 9 year old screamers in Big Team Battle, but some of you are discriminating based solely on age, which is being very unfair to an actually very big minority.

Yes! Thank you. I am one year younger than you, but yes, I fully agree with you. They are discriminating, it is unfair, yes, this is the kind of guy I wanna play with.

Wtf... this is amazing... you guys are 10 and 11 years old and you use better grammar and have better spelling than 99.9% of the people on this forum. I'm impressed.

Anyway, I only discriminate against little kids when they talk trash like they're the big kids at school, when in reality they're only winning in a video game. A younger player who is mature and uses the headset appropriately will almost always earn my respect. It's the kids who say things such as, "Get owned you f***ing noob!" are the ones who just drive me up the wall.

  • 09.21.2007 11:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: FemmeFatale666
All I can say is to gamers who come across children that are WAY too young to play, is to be kind (yes, even if they aren't...it's "LEARNED" behavior they are expressing after all). If they are completely unruly, just mute them.


Please, embrace that. You came online and made a big thread about something you can fix in 3-6 seconds everytime you come across one of these misbehaved kids.

-MLG Mark

  • 09.22.2007 2:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: xl OC Girl lx
Posted by: jonny oizumi
Posted by: XboxGuy1234
I myself am only 11 years old, except I am not like the other younger -blam!-s on Xbox Live. I do not yell and scream into my earphone/headset, and because of everyone's complaining to my squeaky voice, which the headset makes even squeakier, I rarely talk at all, because I respect what everyone else is saying. I, like everybody else, hate the 9 year old screamers in Big Team Battle, but some of you are discriminating based solely on age, which is being very unfair to an actually very big minority.

Yes! Thank you. I am one year younger than you, but yes, I fully agree with you. They are discriminating, it is unfair, yes, this is the kind of guy I wanna play with.

Wtf... this is amazing... you guys are 10 and 11 years old and you use better grammar and have better spelling than 99.9% of the people on this forum. I'm impressed.

Anyway, I only discriminate against little kids when they talk trash like they're the big kids at school, when in reality they're only winning in a video game. A younger player who is mature and uses the headset appropriately will almost always earn my respect. It's the kids who say things such as, "Get owned you f***ing noob!" are the ones who just drive me up the wall.

Lol, yeah, it is funny that we have the grammar etc. A+ in Spelling! Woohoo!
Yeah, I agree with you. I despise the kids who trash talk like they're truly the crap. For some reason I play with less trash talking kids and more with the high voices. The high voices don't bother me because. hey, we all had one in our lives. Am I right?
Did you copy me? I'm just joking. A lot if ppl know that the maturity counts. I've been saying this and I'll say it again, MATURITY COUNTS. I like the mature kids. I am not friends with the trash talkers and retarded kids who think they're REALLY grrrrrrrrrrreat.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T, Discipline, Maturity. My criteria for younger gamers like me.

  • 09.22.2007 6:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: AIp Birdseed
Posted by: FemmeFatale666
All I can say is to gamers who come across children that are WAY too young to play, is to be kind (yes, even if they aren't...it's "LEARNED" behavior they are expressing after all). If they are completely unruly, just mute them.


Please, embrace that. You came online and made a big thread about something you can fix in 3-6 seconds everytime you come across one of these misbehaved kids.

-MLG Mark

Great idea. MUTE button ftw!

  • 09.22.2007 6:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: mIg achronos
Posted by: jonny oizumi
Half yes, most of the kids I play with are quite good. Maybe you play with different ppl tho.
The kids don't just take the language out of nowhere. They have TV, outside in the USA, the mall, lots of places. We can blame adults for swearing non stop. Losing is a reason why a lot of ppl hate kids on xbl. Some ppl try to hide it. I have seen ppl say "Get a LIFE you little kid. The only reason you beat me is because you play more and cant like go outside..." etc. I blame both parties. Us for listening, and them for teaching. You do have a point tho.


But the thing is, i HATE playing with little kids, and I rarely lose. i just hate their effect on every game. it seems like they either cause fights or are a magnet for them

Oh please, kids are not problems. The people who make them angry because of their "squeaky" voice are the people to blame. About you losing, you are a different case. We should've made a thread about the players being complete blams in the games. THEN I would have agreed with a lot of the people. I just hate threads that are complaining about kids in any way. Why does this HAVE to be made into a thread? I mean, don't be stupid, you know this will turn into a complete MaDhOuSe! Come on now, Spartan mjm.

  • 09.22.2007 6:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Flavor Flav
What if i hate squeaky voices? Isnt it my right to complain about that? And please stop saying its about the outcome of the game, because in my experience kids are not got at halo


I'd just say mute them really. Well, sometimes I just ask them to quite down. Usually after that I just get more loud and obnoxious behaviour from them so I mute them. I usually have to mute people between ages 5-15.

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Little kids are extremely annoying. Especially when they kill you with SMG plasma rifle and then T-Bag you. We have every right to complain because its bull-blam!- I'm tired of hearing little kids on this game dropping the N-Bomb.

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I really don't mind about the age of a player providing they're not rude, especially un-necessarily rude as many of them are for some strange over compensating reason, and they're not a poor player. But it would be nice to play some halo 2 with only the people old enough to buy the game themselves, if only for a week i think the atmosphere would be such a change.

  • 09.23.2007 6:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: TimBillyBob1970
Little kids are extremely annoying. Especially when they kill you with SMG plasma rifle and then T-Bag you. We have every right to complain because its bull-blam!- I'm tired of hearing little kids on this game dropping the N-Bomb.


Tap 'A' when you die and you won't have to watch yourself get T-Bagged

  • 09.23.2007 6:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: jonny oizumi
Posted by: mIg achronos
Posted by: jonny oizumi
Half yes, most of the kids I play with are quite good. Maybe you play with different ppl tho.
The kids don't just take the language out of nowhere. They have TV, outside in the USA, the mall, lots of places. We can blame adults for swearing non stop. Losing is a reason why a lot of ppl hate kids on xbl. Some ppl try to hide it. I have seen ppl say "Get a LIFE you little kid. The only reason you beat me is because you play more and cant like go outside..." etc. I blame both parties. Us for listening, and them for teaching. You do have a point tho.


But the thing is, i HATE playing with little kids, and I rarely lose. i just hate their effect on every game. it seems like they either cause fights or are a magnet for them

Oh please, kids are not problems. The people who make them angry because of their "squeaky" voice are the people to blame. About you losing, you are a different case. We should've made a thread about the players being complete blams in the games. THEN I would have agreed with a lot of the people. I just hate threads that are complaining about kids in any way. Why does this HAVE to be made into a thread? I mean, don't be stupid, you know this will turn into a complete MaDhOuSe! Come on now, Spartan mjm.


You are biased and your posing shows that. You seem to think that nobody gets mad about losing, which is sometimes the case, but the fact is that statistically that can only happen about half of the time. You seem to place the blame on everyone but kids, but the fact is that a portion of the blame goes there. You hate threads complaining about kids in any way? What if i hate squeaky voices? Isnt it my right to complain about that? And please stop saying its about the outcome of the game, because in my experience kids are not got at halo

It's "good" not got sir.
You assume too much.
I'm not blocking anyones rights, I'm saying that it's plain stupid if you complain about them.
Sure some of the blame goes to the kids but just deal with it.
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Goodbye.
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  • 10.01.2007 3:44 AM PDT

Posted by: jonny oizumi
It's "good" not got sir.


Because perfect grammar and spelling are both expected on the Internets....

Anyway, while kids may not be the worst players out there, some come close... As I think I stated earlier in this thread, I have hated kids since I played with the following
1) Two four-six year olds in a CTF match in Zanzibar, both of which spent the entire time whining about how they wanted rockets, neither of which really tried all that had. Both ended up quitting halfway through the game.
2) A two - three year old (really) who spent the time in the pregame lobby cussing out everybody worse than I have heard most adults swear. The kid was then betrayed endlessly and quit in the match itself.
3) A six year old who repeatedly said "You guys are all poop, hey-hey!" in the lobby and then quit halfway through the match.
4) A ten - eleven year old in H2 Challenge who came in last, but spent the entire time trashtalking EVERYbody he got near.

The stereotype kids earned with me is that they are trashtalkers, aren't very good, and they think they are the best out there. It's simply tiresome after a while. The squeaky voices become a sign of a kid who could be like this, and that is why they are hated. I know nothing will stop the kids from playing, but this is why you will receive hatred if you are young and do play.

  • 10.01.2007 4:41 AM PDT