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Subject: halo, over-rated?
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Tell me what you guys think and i will write back.

My personal view, it aint! No offence to the guys who made it but it doesnt come close to golden eye in gameplay and none have. I believe that it is over-rated and its the only game that xbox has got against any other console. I do however enjoy playing it, the co-operative is what makes it great in my opinion. The story line is a nice one to follow aswell, making you want to stick the heads of the convenant on pikes to show off. Im probably gonna get alot of shouting at because everyone loves it! so bring it on! any true gamer that has ever had the PRIVILAGE to play golden eye should know what im talking about...

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  • 06.03.2004 1:04 PM PDT
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Golden Eye for the N64? That game was ok. It gets really boring after beating it and the 'secret' missions.

  • 06.03.2004 2:38 PM PDT
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I don't really think that goldeneye and halo are comparable

Two seperate ideas, two seperate styles

They are both great games in there time

Goldeneye's time is over, however, halo still lives on.

  • 06.03.2004 2:44 PM PDT
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i think that halo is not overrated at all. Its always been reffered to as the best FPS on the xbox, which it is. Some go on to say the best game on the xbox, which is a matter of opinion because if you like driving games then PGR2 will be your fav game, and so on. People that say its the best game ever, well, its there opinion and its one i agree with, but as its opinion it cant be overated as opinions cant be wrong. Anyway, just my view on the subect.

  • 06.03.2004 4:08 PM PDT
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Goldeneye is way over-rated. I have played it and, and even though its one of my favorites, it doesn't gain superiority over Halo.

  • 06.03.2004 4:37 PM PDT
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I don't think your going to get at lot of shouting at. People don't care what you think. Get over your bellie-aching. Golden-eye is n64. They suck so much, they stopped making games and I can't count how many times they've gone bankrupt.

  • 06.03.2004 4:40 PM PDT

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Tell me what you guys think and i will write back.

My personal view, it aint! No offence to the guys who made it but it doesnt come close to golden eye in gameplay and none have. I believe that it is over-rated and its the only game that xbox has got against any other console. I do however enjoy playing it, the co-operative is what makes it great in my opinion. The story line is a nice one to follow aswell, making you want to stick the heads of the convenant on pikes to show off. Im probably gonna get alot of shouting at because everyone loves it! so bring it on! any true gamer that has ever had the PRIVILAGE to play golden eye should know what im talking about...

You said it "ain't" overrated, but then you go on to describe how Halo is overrated. I don't mean to lambast you but improper English annoys me. As for your charge, no, if it's overrated it's just a little. The perfect game would not have the Library. And Goldeneye was fun, but the controls are annoying! Also the multiplayer does not compare to a good 16 player Halo lan party.

  • 06.03.2004 4:47 PM PDT
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well this is quite a unique topic...

halo Can be considered over-rated now since every single game runs on almost the exact same physics like halo

ever since halo1 was released on to the xbox,it was an official NEXT GENERATION game

but now in these times....every single game has a vehicle,throwing grenade and melee weapon aspect of it
therefore making halo1 just another game.....people think now that its over-rated because of games like CoD,ut2k4 and farcry
however,ut2k4 and farcry almost has a halo like feel


back to the topic....yes i do think halo is over-rated BUT it is fun and people like it
so i guess thats your opinion

  • 06.03.2004 6:49 PM PDT

This "Halo is overrated" phenomenon got started about the time Gamespy (devil) put up their damn Most Overrated Games of all Time List. Halo was up near #1 on their list, and thus, gave alot of people excuses for not liking Halo- and also brought about the "common knowledge" that Halo was overrated.

My advice to you? Halo isn't overrated unless you think it is. If in your mind Halo is overrated, then it's overrated. If not, then it's not. You have to decide what you think for yourself.

  • 06.03.2004 7:13 PM PDT
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So true.

Halo isn't overrated. Bottom line. People that say it is overrated have played Chiron once or twice on a friend's box, and say, "Well, this isn't all as awesome as some people make it out to be." when in reality much of the game's greatness lies in places other than just graphics. So, as barron said, overrated is completely opiniontive, and odds are that those people who say so haven't seen all there is to see in it.

  • 06.03.2004 7:32 PM PDT
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Ha yeah alot of what people have said here is true. I personally dont think Halo is overated, i think it is revolutionary. Think about how many games contain features like rechargable shields, melee attacks you dont have to weapon select, grenade throughs at the touch of a button. I think Halo has ushered in a whole new era of FPS, and indeed the action game. I mean look at all of us, talking about our views on this forum. Halo has created a whole community of people its gone beyond a game. Its gone beyond pixels and programming, and AI and become something else. Bungie have taken great time and care in producing a game that is more than just a game. There is so much intertexuality. On a basic level, you have references to Aliens in the cool marine sargent, as well as references to Starship Troopers, and similar films. There is also a much deeper level, with references to religion and philosophy. You compare Halo to GoldenEye, and i dont think that is possible. Goldeneye was meant to be a way to drum up more cash. Sure it was good, but it didnt create the same kind of following that Halo has. Halo is an extremely deep game. Im sure most of you agree. Thanks for listening.

  • 06.04.2004 1:12 AM PDT
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im sorry about my english ghandi ;) i actually changed the title of the topic and forgot to change the first part of the answer.

Im glad people have taken a notice to the topic.

first off, i admit golden eye is old but thats only refering to the graphics, the gameplay however is what made it great! but all halo has over it is 'pritty' graphics and big levels! The only reason halo has gained alot of respect from gamers is that fact that most other FPS are poor compared!

'Revolutionary' i read in one topic (thanx for your opinon). Halo isnt! golden eye revolutionised the gaming scene. The follow up to golden eye (perfect dark) was the best multi-player ever, why? Because it had the ability to creat bots! something which halo didnt have. These bots could have the skills of a 2 year old, or be a mighty challenge to any player.

how did golden eye revolutionise the gaming scene?

because it was the first game to ever allow you in a tank! its A.I. was better than any other! you actually felt like you had to be quiet or else you would alert the guard!, Halo you can go in guns blazing!

The trouble is that most people never got to play it

yeah you cant easily say 'multi-plyer doesnt compare to a good 16 player halo lan party' but i am not on about the muti-player, just the game in general, the single player...

I am a fan of both but i have seen nothing yet that can challenge the likes of golden eye, maybe halo2 can, we will have to see. (sorry about any spelling mistakes!)


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  • 06.04.2004 5:43 AM PDT
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If we leave out PC games, which are really too different to add to this arguement anyway, this is between two games for 'best console FPS', Halo and Goldeneye.
Back when Goldeneye first came out, people played it very enthusiastically, even skipping work or school to get in a few more hours of multiplayer. These people still see it as a really great game, and hold it slightly higher than Halo for multiplayer fun value. However, if yougo back to Goldeneye today, it really isn't up to much compared to Halo. I played both games bcak to back at a console party the other week, and everyone agreed with me that Goldeneye now seems dry, lacking the pace, the playability, the degree of control that you get with Halo. And with Halo 2, people who have played it, some of whom are those same people so in love with Goldeneye, and never really getting the same buzz from Halo, they found what they wanted, the same spark they found in Goldeneye, in Halo 2, even from just a half-hour's play.
all halo has over it is 'pritty' graphics and big levels!
because it was the first game to ever allow you in a tank! its A.I. was better than any other! you actually felt like you had to be quiet or else you would alert the guard!, Halo you can go in guns blazing!

Have you even played Halo single player?! Sure Goldeneye was a good movie license, it did a good job of recreating fun scenes and it did have tanks first, but the tanks section was the weakest part of the game! Halo's tank run is one of the best parts! And as for A.I., Halo is still up there with greats like Far Cry for having some of the best A.I. in any game! The way grunts panic when you shoot their leader, or how jackels will run for cover when alarmed, how elites will dodge between cover and flank you. And on Legendary, or even Heroic, if you go in 'guns blazing' to a room with, say, 3 elites, 2 jackals and 4 grunts, they'll hand your entrails to you on a plate! You sneak in, bash the grunts while they're asleep, hide until a jackal patrols past, bash him, shoot his friend, grenade where the elites will come running and try to outwit them - proper tactics! A lot more than you'd use on something as constrained as Goldeneye!
Revolutionary Halo? The reasons you give for Goldeneye being revolutionary don't really stand up, but for Halo? The shields/health system - really well balanced, giving you a fighting chance if you get really damaged but can run and hide long enough to recharge shields - why do you think so many new titles are adopting similar systems? 2 weapons only - Keeps you making tactical decisions, choosing the right weapon for the situation, and having to make do if you are wrong, unlike Goldeneye's "pick up everything you find". One of the most impressive physics systems of its time, especially the deaths system, a combination of animation and physics. There are so many revolutionary things about Halo, it makes Goldeneye look pale and weedy.

  • 06.04.2004 8:00 AM PDT
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I think that halo is better than golden eye because it has a lot more featers

  • 06.04.2004 8:03 AM PDT
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Cheers dudeski its nice to have a little support. And to add to this, I can only think of one game that was the result of Goldeneye. That is as you said Perfect Dark but that is merely one game! Made by Rare, who made Goldeneye as well! If you ask me Perfect Dark was Goldeneye 1.5 in a different setting. You can hardly call it revoltionary because I struggle to name 5 movie licences since that have been half as good as Goldeneye. Anyway, i think it is impossible to compare Goldeneye to Halo, as it is like comparing The Bible to Lord of the Rings. Not a fan of either book, but my point is they are both great books in their own right. They are trying to do completely different things. Lets judge Halo and Goldeneye by their own merits.

  • 06.04.2004 10:34 AM PDT
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No i don't think halo is over rated. My friend alex though halo was overated. He bought an x-box for dues-ex 2. i never heard of the game after that. 3 weeks later that ps2 biased punk bought halo and guess what? He too though it sucked. The pistol supposedly had to much power.....well say bungie changed the pistol to a quick action rifle or somthing. no one would have a problem then with it. I think halo revolutionized new games because of it's control scheme.As for stealth....i went through many areas in halo where i sneakily disposed of elite after elite and grunt after grunt, so i think that halo is not overrated, i just think that everyone wants to find something wrong with a nice good game.....how come no one found a problem with doom?

  • 06.04.2004 4:45 PM PDT
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I don't really think that goldeneye and halo are comparable
Two seperate ideas, two seperate styles


I didn't really like the controls of Goldeneye, I really got into it at one point though, but I didn't like the multiplayer mode, the levels weren't made like a multiplayer level should be like (open areas, places to duck for cover and small close combat areas). One cool aspect of Goldeneye (and Perfect Dark) was the mines, its was great to pin a load of grenades somewhere and when you know someone is walking through....BOOM! They go skywards!

The graphics, the storyline, the enemies, the weapons, the levels, the plot, the characters, the vehicles, the co-op aspect, the multiplayer aspect, the multiplayer levels, the difficulty, THE ENDING! In my opinion all these is what made Halo such a great game.

As soon as I saw the ending I knew this wasn't the end to the Master Chief (And I don't mean the end sequence where MC says: "No, its just the beginning"). The end sequence definately gave you the idea that in the not too distant future, you WILL be playing Halo 2.

I think it was after completing the game that gave me the impression that there will be a sequel. Bungie weren't gunna be dumb enough to let something as big as Halo slip through their fingers!

When you mean over rated, do you mean making Halo seem better than it is? If so, definately not!

I like hearing the PS2 players talk about XBOX. It's hiliarious! "XBOX is absolutely huge! How are you meant to carry that around?....Look at the size of the control pad! It'd take 2 people to control it!....Halo made XBOX, without it, it wouldn't stand a chance! All the other games are CRAP!" (These are just a few examples of what some PS2 players around my school say)

What I have to say is:
1. When do you carry a games console around? Do you strap it to your back and walk round with a screen infront of you, like a giant Gameboy advance? Yes it is a big console, but that's because it has its own hard-disc (no memory card required) and it's size means better graphics
2. The contol pad can be smaller (S type), the big version is really good, it actually feels like you are gripping something, rather than making you feel that you are going to crush the puny control pad.
3. Halo set the scene for XBOX capability, and set about bringing a whole load of buyers (which eventually turn to devoted fans) to the XBOX, then XBOX brought out loads more games (none really matching up to the hype and gameplay of Halo) and there were a lot of good games.

[Edited on 6/4/2004 5:19:48 PM]

  • 06.04.2004 5:18 PM PDT