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how many of you think you are good enough to take on the pros if the chance was presented, how do you become pro in the first place.
of millions of players only a select few represent the best, do you really think the pros are "pros" or just won the right games to get them where they are now.

what would be the first step in becoming pro

  • 09.16.2007 8:06 PM PDT
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I myself could never become pro. I can only out BR two to three people in a row. The first step to become pro is to enter a tourney.

  • 09.16.2007 8:09 PM PDT

QONQUISTA

if i knew where tournaments were around kansas i would deffinately enter but i havent heard squat. i think i could hold my own against some but i guess ill never know

  • 09.16.2007 8:14 PM PDT
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I happen to be able to answer your question... I think. I have friends that go to MLG tournaments. From what they have explained to me, Pro Status, and Semi-Pro status' are derived from where teams finish. I believe it is either top 36-16 or 46-16 are considered Semi-pro, officially. From what he said any finishing in this range has a very good shot at getting some corporate sponsors etc. Teams that finish 16th or better are deemed as being true Pro players, and are considered as having Pro Status. Your best place to find this info is to go to Major League Gaming's website. In addition you can go there and see where MLG is going and the dates they go there for "Pro Tournaments", but going to a Pro tournament doesnt necessarily make you a pro player, to my understanding anyone can signup, pay the fees, and attend.

  • 09.16.2007 8:29 PM PDT

QONQUISTA

wow thats informative, i get everything you xplained except for the 36-16 or 46-16, also if i were to enter a tournament would i have to evter alone or would i have to bring a team?

  • 09.16.2007 8:35 PM PDT

I don't know if I could be a pro. I played with a bunch of REALLY good people today in a free for all match. I went 90 kills and 140 deaths... Now, yes, that sucks, but EVERYbody else in the match used BXRs to get out of trouble. I had them down to no shields, and always got BXRd, or I'd get quadshotted. (Pros don't need them my arse...)

Anyway, my point being that I did fairly well against people even when they were cheating against me rather rampantly, so I think I could hold my own against pro people if those glitches were ever outlawed. I know, I'd probably be in the lower (if not, the lowest) level of the pros, but I still don't think I am the worst in the world.

  • 09.16.2007 8:48 PM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

I couldn't be pro, I refuse to doubleshot and BXR.

  • 09.16.2007 9:00 PM PDT
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I really have no idea. If they I went against them and they dont use button glitches, then maybe o.O

I system link with friends everyonce in a while, and I can be pretty vicious (same with my one friend).

  • 09.16.2007 9:00 PM PDT
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Button glitches don't really make a huge difference in your playing level. Without them, I believe that the pros would still be better than, say, an average gamer. I personally do not believe that button glitches and superjumping are cheating, and I use them frequently. I think that using button glitches makes you more aware of the fact that others can use them on you. Awareness makes you better.

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I wholeheartedly believe that the pros could beat any button glitch whiner even without button glitches. Think about it... if they can quadshot you, which involves hitting 8 buttons and still aiming well enough to hit your head with all 12 BR bullets, could they not easily aim at your head for 4 BR bursts? If you think that you can consistently 4shot kill someone that is constantly jumping and strafing, then you should have a chance at killing a pro *if* you see them first. Otherwise, don't even dream. After playing almost 10000 games, I consider myself pretty good at this game. The one time I played against Walshy, (randomly in matchmaking) he was messing around and still killed me 10 times to my 4. Not only did he destroy me, I knew he was messing around for at least the first two kills I got on him.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=689315 511&player=Daonly-blam!-eskimo

  • 09.16.2007 9:36 PM PDT

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http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=689315 511&player=Daonly-blam!-eskimo


lol, link dont work :D

  • 09.16.2007 10:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: An average gamer
I still don't think I am the worst in the world.


You are.

  • 09.16.2007 10:12 PM PDT

How about we clear up the definition of 'Pro' or the abbrevation for 'Professional'.

In any sport, a Professional is defined as earning money for participating in said sport. An amateur does not. Even the olympics used to use this definition for eligible amateur participants only.

By this definition play a local tournament and win any amount(s) of cash or prize(s) and your a 'Pro'. Personally that above MLG definition is absolute crap. What about competing tournament organisers or countries where MLG doesn't exist. So if I held a tournament with $100,000 prize money it would not be professional just because MLG didn't say it was. What crap.

The above Professional description is universal and a common standard to define amateurs from profesionals. Stick to it mate, don't just be an MLG sheep.

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Further a 'Pro' player may be sponsored and earn money this way, but NOT be part of MLG. See what I'm getting at?

[Edited on 09.17.2007 12:47 AM PDT]

  • 09.17.2007 12:45 AM PDT

Posted by: RaW I RaptoR
You are.


Your mom.

Posted by: kcrunsfast
I wholeheartedly believe that the pros could beat any button glitch whiner even without button glitches. Think about it... if they can quadshot you, which involves hitting 8 buttons and still aiming well enough to hit your head with all 12 BR bullets, could they not easily aim at your head for 4 BR bursts? If you think that you can consistently 4shot kill someone that is constantly jumping and strafing, then you should have a chance at killing a pro *if* you see them first. Otherwise, don't even dream. After playing almost 10000 games, I consider myself pretty good at this game. The one time I played against Walshy, (randomly in matchmaking) he was messing around and still killed me 10 times to my 4. Not only did he destroy me, I knew he was messing around for at least the first two kills I got on him.


I don't think people who consistantly use button glitches to get themselves out of trouble could survive without them. I mean... Yeah, they hit the larger amount of buttons quickly, but the bullets fly extremely quickly, so they have to keep the reticle on their target's head for a much shorter amount of time. People who play legitimately have to target their opponents for MUCH longer while keeping the target on their head which takes a great deal more skill.

The same goes for people who BXR... You just run up and hit three buttons, sometimes you have to pull the trigger twice. It's very cheap, and it makes getting away from an opponent when you have no shields pretty easy, especially if it's just coming around a corner...

Like I said, I don't think I would do too badly against pros if I didn't have glitches used against me. I managed to rack up 90 kills against people who quadshotted me from a distance, or BXRd me from up close. Considering I tried to BXR only once that entire match (and missed), I think I, at the very least, have potential.

  • 09.17.2007 8:50 AM PDT
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Pros => Geeks
Semi-Pros => Wannabe Geeks
Me => n00b

Nuff said...

  • 09.17.2007 9:00 AM PDT
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IMO I think that 90% of the ''pro'' button cheaters would use A madcats controller. 12 buttons would then = like 2 or 4 buttons. Theres no pro in that at all.

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http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=689315 511&player=Yhslaw

[Edited on 09.17.2007 9:09 AM PDT]

  • 09.17.2007 9:07 AM PDT
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I can quadshot just fine with a regular 360 controller. I can't claw very well, but I suppose that's not what you were talking about.

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I'm sure that they make 360 madcat controllers also, I know that theres people who can doit manually, but it is hard. I can doit to a point but I never use since i've been playing halo 2 the same way since it came out, and i'm not going to change my style of play just to get better let alone get better because of a glitch. But in a tournement can't prove they don't use it, and I think personally thats how they doit. Just substitute the trigger with the one glowy red button or however it works.

  • 09.17.2007 9:13 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

It takes a rare combination of dedication, mental discipline and overall skill to be able to copete at that level. Most people watch the pros play through VoD or some other medium and assume that they can do the same things the pros do. Most of these guys have worked long hard hours in practice sessions getting their timing and teamwork down as well as honing their ability to predict what the other team is going to do and being able to react to strategy changes.

There is alot more to being pro than being able to button glitch. Button glitches are a VERY small part of what makes a pro a "pro". When you see these guys they are rarely in a BR battle by themselves and help is almost always close by. The realize that mistakes can easily cost you a game and therefore, they work hard to put themselves into a position where they wont be under as much pressure so they dont make as many. All of this are strong qualities in a pro MLG player.

Most of you outsiders that (sorry) are talking out of your asses about a game that you know little to nothing about should just let the more informed people do the talking. All ive basically read in here is that most of you think that because they button glitch that its the only way they can win. I hate to tell you but you couldnt be further from the truth. As ive stated MANY times in my posts, button glitches dont make a player good.....they make a good player better by adding options to his list of choices in a given situation. The best players dont rely on button glitches to get them out of bad situations, they dont build their playstyles around those glitches. Instead, they develop their mind and skill and then they add the glitches as last resort choices. It seems to me that some of you should do a little research into the sport before you start talking about it.

  • 09.17.2007 10:26 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: xxGinxuxx
I'm sure that they make 360 madcat controllers also, I know that theres people who can doit manually, but it is hard. I can doit to a point but I never use since i've been playing halo 2 the same way since it came out, and i'm not going to change my style of play just to get better let alone get better because of a glitch. But in a tournement can't prove they don't use it, and I think personally thats how they doit. Just substitute the trigger with the one glowy red button or however it works.



^ You are a COMPLETE idiot. You cant use madcat controlers in MLG and its not that damn hard to press a few buttons, so before you start throwing out accusations maybe you should learn a few things.

  • 09.17.2007 10:28 AM PDT
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well personaly i think if you can use wut you know to beat other players and out tactic other players than you could be considered pro, and as far as the Q. earlier Do we think that pro got where they are by winning matchs that they need to, to get there then yes, i do think so, it doesn't matter about custon games and match making. all that matters is that they when the matchs that matter, sure the otehr types of match give them a name but they didn't mean anything. by the way if anyone good reads this send me a friend reqeust cuz, i need more friends and i just edited my friends list and need good people on it now more than ever i am going to the next tourney and i need to get ready so holla at me DG x Assasin is my GT.

  • 09.17.2007 11:10 AM PDT

RIP Halo 2.

Posted by: An average gamer
I don't think people who consistantly use button glitches to get themselves out of trouble could survive without them. I mean... Yeah, they hit the larger amount of buttons quickly, but the bullets fly extremely quickly, so they have to keep the reticle on their target's head for a much shorter amount of time. People who play legitimately have to target their opponents for MUCH longer while keeping the target on their head which takes a great deal more skill.

The same goes for people who BXR... You just run up and hit three buttons, sometimes you have to pull the trigger twice. It's very cheap, and it makes getting away from an opponent when you have no shields pretty easy, especially if it's just coming around a corner...

Like I said, I don't think I would do too badly against pros if I didn't have glitches used against me. I managed to rack up 90 kills against people who quadshotted me from a distance, or BXRd me from up close. Considering I tried to BXR only once that entire match (and missed), I think I, at the very least, have potential.

You need a serious reality check.

We don't rely on button combos. They're merely an additional resource to get things done. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to doubleshot, let alone to successfully manage a quadshot? Even if you do manage to pull of the button combo, it's extremely difficult to stay aimed at your enemy's head. It's a skill, like anything else in the game. It takes much more skill to double/quadshot than it does to regularly fire the BR, which is why you don't see double/quadshots often in Matchmaking. They aren't even that common in games with pros simply because it's risky and usually not necessary.

BXR isn't as easy as you make it sound. You need a full BR clip and you generally need to be on a level surface and have the right timing to cancel the melee in time and get the BR to score a headshot. It's not something that breaks the game, it's not a deciding factor.

You would get wrecked by any pro. Pros aren't pros because they button combo, they're pro because they're the best at what they do. They have amazing teamwork, steady BRs, immense knowledge of the maps and game, strategy, communication, timing, and know how to adapt to any situation. I don't care how many kills you had against some group of randoms, it doesn't mean a thing. I highly doubt you were getting quadshotted anyways, a quadshot won't register a kill across a map, even on host it'd be near impossible. Not to mention the fact that people who can quadshot are extremely rare even at higher ranks and skill levels.

  • 09.17.2007 12:07 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

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Posted by: An average gamer
I don't think people who consistantly use button glitches to get themselves out of trouble could survive without them. I mean... Yeah, they hit the larger amount of buttons quickly, but the bullets fly extremely quickly, so they have to keep the reticle on their target's head for a much shorter amount of time. People who play legitimately have to target their opponents for MUCH longer while keeping the target on their head which takes a great deal more skill.

The same goes for people who BXR... You just run up and hit three buttons, sometimes you have to pull the trigger twice. It's very cheap, and it makes getting away from an opponent when you have no shields pretty easy, especially if it's just coming around a corner...

Like I said, I don't think I would do too badly against pros if I didn't have glitches used against me. I managed to rack up 90 kills against people who quadshotted me from a distance, or BXRd me from up close. Considering I tried to BXR only once that entire match (and missed), I think I, at the very least, have potential.

You need a serious reality check.

We don't rely on button combos. They're merely an additional resource to get things done. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to doubleshot, let alone to successfully manage a quadshot? Even if you do manage to pull of the button combo, it's extremely difficult to stay aimed at your enemy's head. It's a skill, like anything else in the game. It takes much more skill to double/quadshot than it does to regularly fire the BR, which is why you don't see double/quadshots often in Matchmaking. They aren't even that common in games with pros simply because it's risky and usually not necessary.

BXR isn't as easy as you make it sound. You need a full BR clip and you generally need to be on a level surface and have the right timing to cancel the melee in time and get the BR to score a headshot. It's not something that breaks the game, it's not a deciding factor.

You would get wrecked by any pro. Pros aren't pros because they button combo, they're pro because they're the best at what they do. They have amazing teamwork, steady BRs, immense knowledge of the maps and game, strategy, communication, timing, and know how to adapt to any situation. I don't care how many kills you had against some group of randoms, it doesn't mean a thing. I highly doubt you were getting quadshotted anyways, a quadshot won't register a kill across a map, even on host it'd be near impossible. Not to mention the fact that people who can quadshot are extremely rare even at higher ranks and skill levels.


Correct. Most of the best XBL players and virtually all the pros that you watch wont glitch constantly against level competetion because its not necessarry and its a big risk if the accidentally miss it. Pros rely on their inate ability to predict what you want to do and force you into a situation where you have to do what they want you to do. Have you ever had that feeling that no matter where you went, a certian player was always right on top of you? At the high levels most likely it was because he knew what you were going to do before you knew. One of the first things I teach when im working with a new team is forcing the other team to play your game. By speeding the game up or slowing it down to a grind you can force that team to play out of their enviroment. Playing one step ahead of an opposing team or person is a big factor at the highest skill levels. Its just as bit as important as focus, mental control and hand eye coordination.

If you talk to the EXTREMELY good players out there youll come across stories about that player being in games and the game feeling like it suddenly started to move in slow motion. I expirence this all the time when im extremely focused. All these are absolutely key to being good. Button glitches are very minor compared to this.

  • 09.17.2007 12:20 PM PDT