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Subject: Halo 2: graphics letdown? Bungie Please Respond
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Hello everyone,
what I'm about to say, takes alot of guts in order for me to tell you. I know all of you, including myself are eager for Halo 2, but I feel it is my duty as a fan of Bungie to present an issue with the graphics of Halo 2. Sadly, the graphics in the latest screenshots didn't seem all that great. Please just hear me out. We were promised alot of detail.
Just look at this picture from the announcement trailer and compare it with one of the newer ones: http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/screenshots/scrn_111 .jpg
You guys can clearly see the difference. One being that there's no realtime reflections in the new screenshots on the MC's visor as promised. Bungie, please tell me it's because you are still in development and are still working on graphics. I do remember Frankie saying in one of the weekly updates that the second MP screenshot's graphics weren't maxed out. Is this the same case with the newer screenshots? Please respond Frankie, Sketchfactor, or any Bungie employee.

[Edited on 4/15/2004 9:06:00 PM]

  • 04.15.2004 9:03 PM PDT
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I wouldnt be worried if i were you, the graphics are going to be amazing in the end. As for the real time visor thats probably turned off in multiplayer, for connection reasons.

  • 04.15.2004 9:07 PM PDT
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All the graphical features weren't turned on.

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the picture here is from a video and its in SP the pics we are seeing now
are multiplayer shots and are ingame pics so maybe only in the movies will
all the bells and whissles be on.

  • 04.15.2004 9:08 PM PDT
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Well I'm glad you guys were willing to hear me out. Let's see what Frankie or somebody else says.

  • 04.15.2004 9:14 PM PDT
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I do really hope the ai,the grapichs,the motions all of it will be better than Half-Life 2,im very afraid that HL2 will be better,they said they have developed a unique physics engine,and i hope Bungie will make Halo 2 much better than that Gordon Freeman sucking piece of crap game.

  • 04.16.2004 5:27 AM PDT
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wort! wort! wort!! to that

::thats a good thing::

[Edited on 4/16/2004 5:29:54 AM]

  • 04.16.2004 5:29 AM PDT
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Well, considering that pic is practically all custom animation (cause its a cutscene dontcha know) it would be virtually impossible to get that to work on the xbox with minimal lag (online woha that would suck). Mabye the Xbox 2 could handle it....

  • 04.16.2004 7:47 AM PDT
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Well since HL2 physics are based on rag doll, we have all accomplished that it looks FAKE!

  • 04.16.2004 7:49 AM PDT
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Your trippin jumpmaster

  • 04.16.2004 7:49 AM PDT
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and that screen shot was like a yeay ago when they werent fully into the bump mapping

  • 04.16.2004 7:50 AM PDT
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I think it was just to get out to the public to show us, but it was not at the best detail because it doesn't really matter, as long as we get to get a sneak peek I'm all good. We will get to see the true amazement when it does come out for xbox this fall.

  • 04.16.2004 7:52 AM PDT
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E3 will be the real show. I still thought the screen shots were impressive however.

  • 04.16.2004 7:54 AM PDT
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Jeez...why the heck are people 'dissing' Half Life 2? Come on people, grow up. Half Life 2 is probably going to be awesome, Halo 2 is also probbaly going to be awesome. I love my games i can't wait for either, Halo 2 on my Xbox and HL2 on my fat PC...yum

I'm totally hyped about Halo2 but lets please not be silly and get into childish 'HL2 will suck cos Halo 2 is awesome'. The more well crafted games that are out there the better, let us not put down talented guys like those at Valve or Bungie.

  • 04.16.2004 8:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Necronomicon
Jeez...why the heck are people 'dissing' Half Life 2? Come on people, grow up. Half Life 2 is probably going to be awesome, Halo 2 is also probbaly going to be awesome. I love my games i can't wait for either, Halo 2 on my Xbox and HL2 on my fat PC...yum

I'm totally hyped about Halo2 but lets please not be silly and get into childish 'HL2 will suck cos Halo 2 is awesome'. The more well crafted games that are out there the better, let us not put down talented guys like those at Valve or Bungie.

Your on a H2 forum of course we are going to be extremly one sided here. Thats just common sense.

  • 04.16.2004 8:19 AM PDT
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Being a cutscene isn't an excuse for better looking graphics.

According to Bungie, All Halo 2's cut scenes are rendered in-engine (like Halo), so it should look just like the game.

My guess is that the Trailer wasn't rendered in-engine. Which is fine with me so long as its not claimed to be.

  • 04.16.2004 8:24 AM PDT
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Your on a H2 forum of course we are going to be extremly one sided here. Thats just common sense.


Whoops, sorry...I did it again, expecting a fair level of maturity on internet forums. I should really stop doing that in future, ahh well.

  • 04.16.2004 8:28 AM PDT

I hate everything, but it's not my fault.

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Posted by: Necronomicon
Jeez...why the heck are people 'dissing' Half Life 2? Come on people, grow up. Half Life 2 is probably going to be awesome, Halo 2 is also probbaly going to be awesome. I love my games i can't wait for either, Halo 2 on my Xbox and HL2 on my fat PC...yum

I'm totally hyped about Halo2 but lets please not be silly and get into childish 'HL2 will suck cos Halo 2 is awesome'. The more well crafted games that are out there the better, let us not put down talented guys like those at Valve or Bungie.

Your on a H2 forum of course we are going to be extremly one sided here. Thats just common sense.

But just because you are one-sided in favor of Halo 2, doesn't mean you have to say every other game will suck. You can just say that Halo 2 will be better, but that doesn't mean Half-Life 2 will suck.

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Go watch the E3 demo if you need re-assurance. The video wants to make me cry whenever I see it. Cry in happiness. Also I don't want to personally bash HL-2 but I mean it pisses me off whenever I read some game magazine and saying that HL-2 is going to be the killer-app that will slay Halo. I read with my own eyes in a Computer Gaming World (sp?) magazine that HL-2 will beat Halo 1. Well, he's comparing a game that was made 2-3 years ago to one that Valve has been working on forever. Some people eh?

  • 04.16.2004 8:31 AM PDT
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The trailer is highly polished. The new MP screens are still a work in progress. Also I believe the purpose of the most rescent shot is to show off the dual weapon animation not the graphics.

  • 04.16.2004 8:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Duce11
Posted by: Necronomicon
Jeez...why the heck are people 'dissing' Half Life 2? Come on people, grow up. Half Life 2 is probably going to be awesome, Halo 2 is also probbaly going to be awesome. I love my games i can't wait for either, Halo 2 on my Xbox and HL2 on my fat PC...yum

I'm totally hyped about Halo2 but lets please not be silly and get into childish 'HL2 will suck cos Halo 2 is awesome'. The more well crafted games that are out there the better, let us not put down talented guys like those at Valve or Bungie.

Your on a H2 forum of course we are going to be extremly one sided here. Thats just common sense.

But just because you are one-sided in favor of Halo 2, doesn't mean you have to say every other game will suck. You can just say that Halo 2 will be better, but that doesn't mean Half-Life 2 will suck.

I didnt say every other game sucks, all i said was this is a H2 forum of course its gonna be onesided, this isnt a question of maturity.

  • 04.16.2004 8:35 AM PDT
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Err....how on earth can a STATIC screen shot demonstrate a DYNAMIC element such as animation?... heh :-p

  • 04.16.2004 8:36 AM PDT
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In the way he holds the weapons. Not the actual movement but more of the pose and the stance of using them. Also proves to those who did not believe you can dual wield different weapons.

  • 04.16.2004 8:37 AM PDT
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When we first saw the Halo 2 Trailer it was in all its glory. But it was a cut scene. Now I don't need to define cut scene but when a game has one it seems to be more detailed. It has different camera angles and will focus on one thing leaving others out of focus. That is was I think is going on here.

Plus I feel that you are comparing apples to oranges. The cut scenes are from a single player game and the screen shots are from Multi. What I'm trying to say is in the single player game there is only one MC. The only time you will be able to see him is during a cut scene. But during a Multi game there will be several MCs. The effects that are present during a single player cut scene will not be reflected during a Multi game.

Besides...this game is still being developed. And I am sure there are several bells and whistle that have not been added.

  • 04.16.2004 8:38 AM PDT
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What I'm trying to say is in the single player game there is only one MC. The only time you will be able to see him is during a cut scene.


Aside from when the perspective swtiches to 3rd person when u are driving or manning a turret...heh.......I'm in a pedantic mood today.

  • 04.16.2004 8:41 AM PDT

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