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Posted by: halo is ok
Firstly, I recognize mods more my their salmon-colored text than by their custom avatars. Secondly, if it's a problem with obscenities then we can always restrict it to older members; Let's say three months or so? Thirdly, it's not going to "require more mods" or anything such as that. It would simply be added to the list of things mods need to look out for. I mean, did the rule against Halo 3 scans or the rules against Rick Roll vids require new mods to enforce? And Fourthly, almost every other forum on the web does this. So it's not like it can't work.


Here's the biggest problem with custom avatars: They are visible constantly, without the user having to do anything. While the current moderators can crack down on scans, and even obscene links, it takes time. If custom avatars were allowed, then we would be forced to see them for at least a little while. While I'm sure most of us could handle it, this site is supposed to maintain some sort of standard, and custom avatars would destroy that chance.

Almost every other forum on the web is smaller than this one, or is usually broken down into many subforums that have their own communities, which are easier to manage. Other sites are very large, but have no standards to enforce really (See SA).

In any case, Achronos said no. In this case, that really is all that matters.

  • 09.24.2007 12:27 PM PDT

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It would take half a second for a mod to realize whether or not a member had broken the rules with their avatar. If anything, a link to a shock-site would be harder to detect because spammers can label any offending link with a harmless sounding name causing some mods to, perhaps, pay no attention to it. But you can't hide an offending avatar.

  • 09.24.2007 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Because a few of you are morons who think it would be funny to upload something obscene. Never will happen, sorry. Blame the trolls.

Posted by: Cornett32
i dont see why bungie dosent give us the option to upload our own avatairs i have some cool ones ive made but i dunno what do you think
A FEW?

There would be LOADS. Just take a look at the Halo 3 forum!

Personally, I think the Halo emblems are custom enough. I rarely (if ever) see multiple people with the same Halo 2 emblem as their avatar.

  • 09.24.2007 1:12 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

It also helps nods stick out in the forum....well, except for stosh...he is always changing his avatar. It is a ODST Helljumper (I see it everywhere).

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  • 09.24.2007 1:18 PM PDT

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As a side thought, we technically do have custom avatars. I have one right now.

Excellent point. And based on my look at the account settings page, we are about to get hit with a veritable flood (no pun intended) of Halo 3 emblems as avatars.

I am almost to the point when I hear "custom avatar" or "custom sig" used in reference to these forums, I almost invariably think of a vBulletin or other forum package with huge, in your face, avatars and sigs. The demographic for this company and for online forums are not typically known for their restraint or taste for the subtle or subdued.

In other words, most forums that I have seen where avatars and sigs are an issue or member focus, those sites tend to make Las Vegas look like a Amish village. The forums where an avatar or sig is not the focus? Those tend to be more about what people say, instead of how they appear.


Yeah like he said there are alot of fourms that let you put whatever you want where ever you want it...it gets kinda old when your looking to the bottom of the page and someone has posted two or three comments to eachother with like 5 lines of immages as their signatures...

  • 09.24.2007 1:28 PM PDT

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I don't see what sigs have to do with anything. On Bnet they're hiddenish. So that whole "turn a post into a MySpace page" wouldn't apply here.

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I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.

  • 09.24.2007 1:52 PM PDT

then why not allow people who have been on this site for a while (maybe a year or two) have custom pics, thats a way to prevent trollers to put -blam!- on or somehting.

unless theres a super troll out there...

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Posted by: Yutaka541
I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.
What forum has "WAY" more than half a million active users split into less than a dozen forums with fewer than twenty active moderators? I think that you're sorely mistaken here, my friend.

  • 09.24.2007 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: halo is ok
It would take half a second for a mod to realize whether or not a member had broken the rules with their avatar. If anything, a link to a shock-site would be harder to detect because spammers can label any offending link with a harmless sounding name causing some mods to, perhaps, pay no attention to it. But you can't hide an offending avatar.

So what would you suggest? Moderators go through every post, first check for obscene pictures (including threads that have 100+ comments), and then have to go through it again to check for obscene content? It might work in this forum, but not The Flood or Halo 3 Forums.



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Posted by: Yutaka541
I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.
What forum has "WAY" more than half a million active users split into less than a dozen forums with fewer than twenty active moderators? I think that you're sorely mistaken here, my friend.

http://www.pbnation.com

Now that I think about it, this forum is behind in everything. You even have to type out the url codes.

Seriously though, this is the ONLY forum I've seen that doesn't allow custom avatars. Seeing the same crap over and over is lame, as is the gamer symbols.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

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Posted by: Yutaka541
I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.
What forum has "WAY" more than half a million active users split into less than a dozen forums with fewer than twenty active moderators? I think that you're sorely mistaken here, my friend.

http://www.pbnation.com
This site demonstrates my point perfectly. Fewer than 360,000 accounts ever created (this site has 3 million), 60 forums, and a couple hundred moderators. That's the exact point that I was trying to make, man. Custom avatars would not work here.
Seriously though, this is the ONLY forum I've seen that doesn't allow custom avatars. Seeing the same crap over and over is lame, as is the gamer symbols.This site is not "behind" -- it's actually extremely advanced in the integrations with video games that it can do behind the scenes that no other site on the internet can. Its discussion forum is in the true tradition of a discussion forum in that people are distinguished by their words rather than their pictures.

That's kind of the repeating theme throughout this thread, but you appear not to want to read it (probably because you're the kind of person who likes pictures better than words -- and that's fine). I am not trying to get you to stop coming here or anything, but perhaps you need to admit to yourself that if you want to see custom pictures and varying graphical forum signatures, maybe BNet's discussion forums aren't the place for you?


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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Yutaka541
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Yutaka541
I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.
What forum has "WAY" more than half a million active users split into less than a dozen forums with fewer than twenty active moderators? I think that you're sorely mistaken here, my friend.

http://www.pbnation.com
This site demonstrates my point perfectly. Fewer than 360,000 accounts ever created (this site has 3 million), 60 forums, and a couple hundred moderators. That's the exact point that I was trying to make, man. Custom avatars would not work here.



Ok, so maybe Bungie is more popular. They should get more mods. It's worked everywhere else, no reason it can work here. They can have regular posters here become avatar enforcement people.

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  • 09.24.2007 2:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Yutaka541
I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.
What forum has "WAY" more than half a million active users split into less than a dozen forums with fewer than twenty active moderators? I think that you're sorely mistaken here, my friend.

http://www.pbnation.com
This site demonstrates my point perfectly. Fewer than 360,000 accounts ever created (this site has 3 million), 60 forums, and a couple hundred moderators. That's the exact point that I was trying to make, man. Custom avatars would not work here.



Ok, so maybe Bungie is more popular. They should get more mods. It's worked everywhere else, no reason it can work here. They can have regular posters here become avatar enforcement people.


Suck it up and get on with it. I hate to be blunt, but custom avatars are never going to happen. You can justify this and example that, but it's not going to happen.

  • 09.24.2007 3:02 PM PDT

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I personally think that custom avatars could work if given the proper method. Though this would indeed probably call for more moderators and tons of extra work that probably isn't worth it in the end. It's quite clear that it'll never happen, as Achronos has explained many times.

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Posted by: Achronos
Because a few of you are morons who think it would be funny to upload something obscene. Never will happen, sorry. Blame the trolls.


I'm not a moron or a troll (most of the time) and even i have a 10 MP picture of my own arse ready for when the day comes.

^^.

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Posted by: Yutaka541
I think that you should be allowed. The mods should actually do something if they see an offensive avatar. Every other forum I've used allows avatars, why not Bungie's? I've only seen one offensive avatar in my life on a forum WAY larger than this one, and it was removed within a minute and the user perma banned. It's just pure laziness on the mods part. That's why they don't want us to have custom ones.

You don't know how many accounts we ban daily that are made to spam the forums. Imagine how much more effective it'd be for those people if we gave them a free 90x90 space to post their -blam!-, as opposed to making people click a link (a link which can easily be avoided by members- an avatar cannot be).

That's what it boils down to. We have loads of people making accounts PURELY to make our job harder, posting links to shock sites and the like. When someone sees a link to "balls-on-your-chin.com" or something, they can avoid it. Having the avatar preload when someone opens the page and having it THERE without any prior knowledge is wrong. As I understand it, if someone is going to see -blam!- on this forum, they'll have to bring it upon themselves by clicking a bad link.

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  • 09.24.2007 4:03 PM PDT

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  • 09.24.2007 4:20 PM PDT

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  • 09.24.2007 4:21 PM PDT

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Pictures, avatars, signatures.
NOISE. Too noisy.

This forum is so smooth and such. :D
Exactly. The Bungie.net forum is very "uniform" and neat, and should stay that way!

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actually, you aren't allowed to upload avatars because it increases server load. Though Microsoft probably has tons of servers dedicated to this website and the halo games, they still wanna be cheap. A way around this, which Microsoft fails to acknowledge is by using a web-based storage for you avatars so the servers pull the image from a website (like imageshack.us) rather than having to store the images in the server and pulling them from there.

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