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"Hell, they should have done it at 320x240!! The 360 has the power to upscale it ALL THE WAY UP TO 1080p, so what's the problem? "

Try to play the game at 1280x1024...Bungie choosed to go fullscreen so the blockyness is even more noticeable.

- No antialias at all (even though pre-release screenshots shows AA),
- 30 (not always) fps....c'mon even bioshock runs at more than 30 fps when you disable the framerate limiter in the menu.
- Low resolution...
- Low poly models
- Low resolution textures
- Exacly the same gameplay than the previous games..

Seriously speaking, If I had worked in Bungie I would be embarrased of having released Halo 3 in its actual status. Is not doubt one of the worst looking FPS games on the Xbox 360.

Didn´t anyone at Bungie played Bioshock or Gears of War?

Since the very first image I saw I thought a game which such graphics would be running at 720p (or more) and 60 fps...and I was happy, for me framerate has always been more important than graphic quality (specially in FPS games)...I can´t understand how did they manage such bad perfomance from such a powerful hardware.

I hope bungie releases a patch soon....at least a patch to play letterboxed at 1280x1024.

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  • 09.29.2007 8:10 AM PDT
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*All of the above is the opinion of the user: WartHogRacerman3. Complaints can be forwarded to his secretary.

I own an HDTV [12/30/07]

Posted by: Shelby500KR
To: HeWhoLurksInTree & Agrestial

I am not pointing my finger at anyone as I clearly stated in my first post; I am simply trying to find answers. It appears as though neither one of you has even taken the time to really read what, just about all of the people who are experiencing DRE's with Halo 3, are even saying. We do not think it is a problem with the discs themselves. Below is my experience up to this point and mine alone. The severity of the DRE's and it's side effects vary from person to person. The one constant with all of us is, we are receiving DRE's with Halo 3. All I ask is that you hear me out and try to put yourself in our position...

My 360 worked completely fine until I put Halo 3 in for the first time. When I initially tried to play the game, I was notified that an update was needed in order to play Halo 3. Now, that didn't really leave me with much of a choice if I ever wanted to play the game that was the sole reason why I bought a 360. I DL'd the update and my console rebooted. To me, it did not seem as though it ran as long as past updates have but, I was not purposely timing it so I could not say for sure. So the '3' splash screen loads up and immdeiately I receive my first DRE. A couple of times, I got a message in about 8 different languages on a white screen with a message similar to 'To play this disc, put it in a 360 console'. I thought that was extremely odd since I had never received any DRE's (or any other errors like those) before.

Out of curiosity, I tried some of my other games that I knew always played perfectly fine for me. What I found puzzled me; Rainbow Six Vegas - audio suddenly cuts out now, Tiger Woods 07 - tries to load the main menu but locks up every time once two circles are filled in the progress bar, Dead Rising - sits at a completely black screen and does not even load the Capcom splash screen. Immediately I thought it may have to do with the update and tried to sign in to Xbox Live to see there was any way I could try to download it again. To my surprise, I now receieved a message stating that it could not connect. I look at xbox.com and notice that the servers are experiencing slow times due to heavy traffic. I called Xbox support and was on the phone with them for over 2 hours. We tried numerous possible fixes only to find none of them worked.

The next day, I exchanged my copy of Halo 3 for a brand new one and hoped for the best. I loaded the game and was thrilled once I was able to get to the main menu. I started up a campaign, watched the first few cut scenes then quickly experienced another DRE. There is not a single scratch, mark, speck of dust or imperfection anywhere on this disc that I can see, and I've inspected it thouroughly numerous times. The DRE problems I am experiencing now are not limited just to the Halo 3 disc. As I mentioned, my console no longer plays the majority of my games (that used to play perfectly fine) like it should anymore. I also tried to play a downloaded demo version of NHL2K7 with no disc even in the tray. To my utter disbelief, I received a DRE immediately after the NHLPA splash screen; a DRE telling me to clean the disc with a soft cloth for a demo that was running directly off of my HD.

Now, ask yourself a couple of questions...

Seeing that these DRE issues seem to have all emerged at roughly the same time, is it possible something that has to do with Halo 3 caused all of these issues?

Is it likely that there is much more to this than a simple batch of bad discs?

If either MS or Bungie was ABSOLUTELY sure they were not responsible in any way, shape or form for the DRE's so many people are experiencing, don't you think they would have released some form of statement/acknowledgement by now so as to clear their name as soon as possible?

Taking all of this into consideration (especially the last question), is it really that far fetched that we are looking for answers on this forum as well as in the Xbox forum?

What update? I didn't get one and I still get DRE's.

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Right, people are getting DRE's with and without the update. I was going through my personal experiences and what has led me to think that something having to do with Halo 3 has caused all of this. Many people still seem to think we are trying to say it is just bad discs. Like I said, the degree of side effects seems to vary from person to person.

  • 09.29.2007 9:42 AM PDT

Join Planet Reach
Hog sniping
Exalted is considered "the highest" because you can't get any bans or warnings of any kind for quite a long time, which is harder than just being a member for a long time.

Coolness - I played with someone who had that symbol a couple nights ago and didn't even think about it!

Hope I didn't talk much crap! LOL

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About this problem i rangmicrosoft and they told me that the halo 3 server in queensland Australia is currently down and that it will be up in a few hours it has nearly now being 5 days and i am starting to get pissed off.

I DO NOT BLAME BUNGIE I WAS WONDERING IF THEY KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE BACK WORKING DUE TO MIRCRSOFT KEEP SAYING IN A FEW HOURS

  • 09.29.2007 2:20 PM PDT

Pwning newbs since 01.
Spartan, assist!
Posted by: doctor woot
how the hell did you manage to join the site before the internet existed
did you submit your application by mail

yea how can you smack talk a bungie employee lolz. 1 they made the freakin game, kiss thier beloved feet g-blamnit! 2 thier helmets of sorts are on fire wut wut wut!! i figured once u got all the skulls and/or the IWHBYD skull u would have that crazy ass flaming helmet to keep your skills hot hot hot! but i was wrong cause i have the hyabusa helmet that is rewarded after finding the "daddy of all skulls" (my ass, bungie u should have hid it on deep into the level on one of the beams a tens of feet below the the last campaign run on "halo" much harder cause u die after too long of hunting) but hey i have them all now and no flaming helmet and all i can do i wish i worked for bungyboys. but to refute all my last remarks... LUKE!!! you owe me a g-blamnit steak dinner lol!

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"...and right now Luke, Sketch and I are all heading home to play you guys on Xbox Live. Look out for us. We're pretty easy to spot. we'll be on all day in all likelihood, but watch out for Bungie guys of various disciplines between 5 and 9pm. Look for the Bungie logo beside their name and remember that you shouldn't smacktalk a Ninja"


word. you guys made a KILLER game and will ALWAYS have the advantage over us

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Imwtf? not even a word about the thousands of ppl that cant play halo 3 cuse of " Disk is Unreadable " freind of mine has been through 7 disks and still isnt working for him...way to go bungie/microsoft. all we wont is a u guys to address that theres a problem and were working on it...

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a broken wrist
Dude, I think you've been using your 360 wrong...

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Whats up with the skulls, bungie? I found a youtube vid on where the skull is on Sierra 117, and when i went there, it wasn't there. I did everything the exact way. I tried it bot on campaign, and in metagame. Whats Up?

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Posted by: DARKHELMET
yea how can you smack talk a bungie employee lolz.

How about "Ha ha! You have to work with Frankie! Ha ha!"

(Note: does not work on frankie)

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Dunno, my disc had extremely minor scratches on it (limited edition) and I put it in, has been working fine since the night I brought it home

Oh and the skulls, you have to at least be on normal and play from the beginning, otherwords whatever youre doing should work

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bungie and microsoft dont want to address the issue with the disk is unreadable because they dont want their baby to get bad rep from the start/ damn it bungie get off ur ass and fix ur problem before its to late.

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this is a list of people having the (disk is unreadable) problem
1. NinjaofTerror-Legendary,Pro Edition,120gb Hrd Drive dres in both SP and MP
2. xSlience 187
3. WavingLighter
4. Arsmetal
5. BattleAxe77
6 .ZandarBot
7. BulletToothMatt
8. Gamer13088
9. AkHenaton
10. The Legend Wonder
11. KoopaTrooper
12. M1 ARMOR SGT
13. De Real Biz
14. TD Darkone
15. Kodak MXS
16. bullydia
17. bse Fate
18. Bigmike8119
19. Spaceace24
20. uzisuicide138
21. Daddycheese
22. thechief92
23. jo cool 72
24. epic x dreadsr
25. xRCx KamGen
26. BADDASSS
27. Razor Shultz
28. AgentPabs
29. iTz MoN3Y
30. Iras
31. UberPrinny
32. OofIninja
33. A CurbSt0mp
34. Andy Craptonner
35. PoPoLikes2Party
36. Barce9296
37. a friendly face
38. xIIFeaRMexIIx
39. BahamutZ
40. Sorbet
41. dman8171
42. THUNDERSTUCK66
43. Kodak M XS
44. C4 LT1
45. BA COX
46. homer at home
47. RCO 12
48. TheLegendWonder
49. Shelby500KR
50. FALCON009
51.FullofSin
52.Clear Conscious
53.Elektro Dragon-reports freezin however no disc read errors yet
54.NullMind UK
55.Agent Pab
56.GrassyLeaf
57.Tideman
58.kilboypowerhead
59.BigBadWolf 727
60.SonDragon
61.Jmac82300
62.TandM13
63.Twin Panther-Cant even get to menu scree after replacin 1rst copy
64.Spaceace24
65.AOG Rebillion
66.You got racked
67.Ifandbut00
68.XDest
69.SrGTHILL
70.FullMetalJ0K3R
71.King Vin 35
72.EnderAgain
73.mattyboy06
74.o0O BlaziN O0o
75.AgentPabs
76.xDLx VeNoM
77.CRIME 843
78.MasterCookieJM
79.Ayo Jube-single player gets error reports no mp issues
80.WRBlueMeanieWRX
81.Not Triniboy
82.sKx I OsiRiSx2
83.Van Duren
84.Shank M Quietly
85.MONSTER ROBERT
86.ElektroDragon
87.Baker 308
88.Kejek
89.PhaKingUp
90.X5150DIAVOLO
91.WHO DATs POOPIN
92.Ariel Sharowned Hitatchi Dvd Drive just memory cards single player doesnt work, 1/2 multiplayer works
93.Vizzz
94.Shelby500KR
95.Dullvis
96.He4dsh0t King
97.Meglodon
98.CrazyCary
99. Waterboy 44 standard and limited editions - unplayable disc error
100. DarkAnimeGod9 - Got Disc Error. Was forced to trade in legendary case for standered. Another error. Won't let him exchange it back
101. Pink Marker
102. I Red Zero I - Seen the title Screen. Game froze up and messed up. Turned it off and back on and got my 2nd Red Ring of Death.
103.Got Grip
104.zarkothe
105.NyghtStorm
106.MAJORNL
107.Achilles Ninja
108.xCraigVilla
109.SlappyWags
110.Syd Inc
111.KichikuBeihei
112.EyeCrazy2
113.GCO Outkast71
114.Heftig
115.Sli3ntH
116.SP Measley Binkie
117.A Deadly Russian
118.The Nick316
119.Submelina
120.jessikaSimpson
121.yourDogsDead
122.JoCool
123.warcrarftgamer01
124.doggtired
125.David Animality
126.Milt1978
127.Sweenerdog32
128.Scottland89
129.ProLificDark
130.xCYMKx
131.Billkwando
132.ZapBranigan
133.Atticus063
134.A174generation
135.QSK Havok
136.Exogen06-brand new Halo 3 360, reports freezin and bars across screen
137.ImpactBluE5-simliar issues,RRoD
138.AQUAVELVA-freezes howver no dre
139.volkiller730
140.Jaundiced-disc read errors began after last dash update
141.Doctor Ed 1
142.Shockwave22
143.antigrimace
144.SpitfireVB
145.philby46
146.PhunnelCake
147.Ix Shaz xI
148.cnjtrinity-RRoD after playing halo3 for a couple of hours
149.SoySauceWFD-lags in menus and has had crashes
150.rumblybubble-xbox shuts off randomly during halo 3 play
151.Gravitysport
152.KREATOR600
153.ATHF14043
154.dirtag
155.MikeNJello
156.NuSigmaNu
157.DeepSnuggles
158.Socceroos2010
159.Kinn
160.DPhunkT-was playing halo3 got RRoD took Discs out and now 360 is working again
161.Anakin2Solo
162.DarkPixel-freqeunt freezing,xbox360 RRoDs after playing Halo3
163.Axxeman30008-RRoD n 26 Days old after playing Halo3
164.Frenzy2001
165.Gagesta-5copies all dre
166.TheGiant89
167.ViewDrix-Game works fine in Friends console
168.GhostofCho
169.WHO DATs POOPIN
170.R3t4r3dYoshi
171.One L Bil
172.SilentKi11a
173.KALAKAS GUY
174.HippyD
175.PieMonkey360
176.DoG Prism
177.XxTIME2ROCKxX
178.Anirask
179.Shuhya
180.Xx MadMisfit xX
181.RSDSyndicate
182.ToKeN2K6
183.EleKtrikkHeaT
184.Chr0m3 C0y0t3 Doesnt ruin other games or corrupt HD Samsung DVD Drive Halo3 only game DRE
185.Major Bowman
186.KhaosFreyr
187.SpankedEagle
188.MineDoesntWork
189.Ayumex 1.5 to 3 hours of play before freeze all oter games work fine No DRE only happens with Halo
190.JorkenL
191.JombieZeus
192.Orinani-RRoD after playing Halo 3
193.H8theDrake
194.Silc0nLifef0rm
195.PVT PARTTS
196.Malcs wrote it-disc wont even read
197.Sk0m
198.xits SHOWTIMEx
199.trueAXISofEVIL-played halo got dres,RRoDs,freezes
200.Sham2lock
201.Slayr8
202.Anakin2Solo
203.Roostex-elite no longer reads ne discs after playing halo3
204.Durette
205.Xyxzor
206.ColvinCat
207.Zombie Wafflez-Got RROD from Halo 3
208.BUDCHOOFER
209.Niictar
210.zarkothe
211.NESTS 13
212.Worthless Cat
213.Syrtis Major
214.PED0BEAR
215.Shazbot
216.carrionbettle Will not read any discs since halo 3
217.gruntythirst7891
218.Lacarious
219.leisurepirate
220.SK37CH
221.Franki3
222.Agt Oranges
223.topdogfive
224.FULLTILT907
225.Norwegian Raven
226.halo651
227.D1ES IRAE
228.OvernightSilver
229.iMiles
230.nickitu
231.PresidentBatman
232.cjeffro
233.slayer0667
235.Paul Beattie
236.SquidBoy
237.MrMarksman
238.CCCBIllDoe
239.El FFrey
240.PBK Dread9
241.AndroidLand
242.Toned Duckling
243.Falcon009
244.andygabby
245.MopeyJoe-gets red ring of death from halo3 and gets freezing
246.Destr0yer666
247.Elliot954
248.neushane
249.Zexcin
250.random66
251.Zestee
252.ScottR251
253.darkonimus
254.sharp kid
255.Roadrunner2348
256.FoolishGoiter
257.FOXER12
258.jayin805 standard edition xbox premium DRE on fourth level
259.Wags NYC
260.Bunnyears
261.slipkornotpsu
262.Dreamcasted60
263.slayer0667
264..Quadropwned
265.Hunter C
266.Ninja Takeshi
267.sol reaver
268.SteveB
269.LateNightDC
270.Chimwolf
271.anephric
272.xSilentkayosx
273.Yarcod
274.ynt12
275.babys Eater
276.Pooblaster sc
277.nick5892
278.Specter 205
279.Holdoboldo
280.Doctor Ed 1
281.KLam mon
282.Jordanbean
283.Herkyhawk2005
284.Si1verTyrant
285.BrimstoneH2
286.JwBooth
287.Gonzo 210
288.HOLYcrapURDead1
289.xits SHOWTIMEx
290.Hawaii Jeff
291.DIRTBIKESURFER
292.dojadoug
293.Blackarrow2
294.Calacorm
295.PUNX4LIFE
296.pi thagoras
297.King Jew Bot
298.Denomanater1212
299.Chech0
300.rfbarr
301.Chaolic STR
302.X Evil Sheep X
303.Wes2000 GT
304.N3WY0RKS F1N3ST
305.PochoKing
306.halo651
307.xRIPx Ghost
308.Krisis BTM
309.Pass The Sticks
310.KiLLMasTer20
311.Shinobi Skillx
312.Hunter C
313.me3334
314.Evilrabbit500
315.MRMOTOSUWA
316.The Hoss
317.bonghorn
318.Kilboypowerhead
319.ICoN821
320.DevilsReject84
321.fernandez20
322.PresidentBatman
323.ParAl1zinG
324.Gagesta
325.BeakerMikeM RROD
326.vRAGmAZTER
327.GeneralIzor
328.SEDD0
329.crackedactor
330.DrasticShotGun
331.InbredSheepman
332.juceman32746
333.Razor Shultz
334.Godsblink
335.KamikazePants
336.Nill Chartz
337.Frenzy2001
338.Phantom Shake
339.Eros 360
340.IX xSTEEL3Rx XI
341.FOXER12

  • 09.29.2007 6:28 PM PDT
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Bungie,

You guys did such an incredible good job, I just dabbled in the forge and saved film stuff...it is so perfect. You guy's really out did yourself. Thanks for all of the hard work you guy's put in.

Best,
Late 20's Halo fan.

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Posted by: FOXER12
this is a list of people having the (disk is unreadable) problem
341

Wow... 341 people out of how many people on this site?

My god, it's an epidemic!!!

Hell, even a thousand, or 10,000 people getting DREs is statistically insignificant compared to the total number of games out there. at least 2 million copies sold (based on 1.7 presales in the US alone).

It's smaller than the margin of error, for pete's sake...

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nice

[Edited on 09.29.2007 7:30 PM PDT]

  • 09.29.2007 7:30 PM PDT

I love pink.

My 360 got the ring of death on Halo 3 day. Isn't that unfortunate?

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luke! i'm a regular podcast listener and i just thought you might find this funny to bring up on the next podcast..

while i was waiting in line for 3 hours to pick up my legendary edition of halo 3 at a nearby gamestop.. they started giving out prizes for certain activities we could participate in..

"who can draw the best master chief on a post-it note" was the one i decided to enter.. and being the smartass that i am, i did the best rendition of Mister Chief waiting in line you could ever imagine.. i wish i could post a pic of it or something, but alas, a camera was nowhere to be found (at the launch of the greatest entertainment release in history?? no way!!)

unfortunately i did not win the challenge.. i guess no one in line was familiar with bnet... and thus, my 2 minute piece of art geniusery was considered trash!

what a world is this when a simple mister chief can't win me free stuff?!!?

keep up the good work guys... you rock!!

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Hey Ablative, by the sounds of it, you sound like a bungie employee

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I seriously hope Bungie is taking a nice vacation and ignoring most of the whining here. If you don't like the game, seriously, return/sell it and go back to playing Bioshock or looking at high-res artwork. The game is what it's meant to be, get over yourselves.

Man, they're handing out soapboxes for free these days....

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If I'm a bungie employee, there are a couple of problems...

1 - where's my damn yellow text?
2 - I've yet to recieve a paycheck, what gives.
3 - I'm not Frankie, and yet I complely suck at multiplayer. Where are those leet skillz I was upposed to be getting. You have your token handicap, why you gotta make me suffer?
4 - you are a freaking moron.

Take a class on probability and statistics, and then get back to me, ok?

No, you know what, don't bother. I try to not have ongoing corespondence with -blam!-hats.

PS But seriously Bungie, who won't you hire me? Do I smell funny? Is that it? Cause I told yer mom I didn't like that aftershave she got me, but she insisted, and you know I can't refuse her.

:)

Nothin' but love for ya, Bungie. Love yer game.

[Edited on 09.30.2007 3:30 AM PDT]

  • 09.30.2007 3:29 AM PDT
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"We owe you 80 pixels"....

In fact they owe us 184320 pixels...

1280x720 = 921600 pixels
1152x640 = 737280 pixels

Do the math..that´s exactly a 20% less resolution than promised. And considering Microsoft made standart 4x antialias they really owe us:

(1280x720)x4 = 3686400 - 737280 = 2949120 pixels

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Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
If I'm a bungie employee, there are a couple of problems...

1 - where's my damn yellow text?
2 - I've yet to recieve a paycheck, what gives.
3 - I'm not Frankie, and yet I complely suck at multiplayer. Where are those leet skillz I was upposed to be getting. You have your token handicap, why you gotta make me suffer?
4 - you are a freaking moron.

Take a class on probability and statistics, and then get back to me, ok?

No, you know what, don't bother. I try to not have ongoing corespondence with -blam!-hats.

PS But seriously Bungie, who won't you hire me? Do I smell funny? Is that it? Cause I told yer mom I didn't like that aftershave she got me, but she insisted, and you know I can't refuse her.

:)

Nothin' but love for ya, Bungie. Love yer game.



wow you totally didn't get it did you.....

[Edited on 09.30.2007 5:41 AM PDT]

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Re: You owe me 80p
Wow, the Bungie rep that wrote that post has quite an elitist attitude and a few *facts* are intentionally misleading. For the record I do believe that rendering Halo 3 in 1152x640 is *not* a disaster, but the response from Bungie *is*.

Bungie:
Naturally it’s more complicated than that. In fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers – both of which render at 1152x640 pixels.
So does that mean that video cards that use 16x anti-aliasing can claim 16x the final resolution of the image? Of course NOT. So therefore since the final unscaled result for HALO 3 is still 1152x640 in resolution no matter what other frame buffers are used in its rendering it's still 640 pixels of vertical information. "1280 pixels of vertical resolution" -- NOT! I call shenanigans on that one.

Bungie:
In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference.
No kidding sherlock, scaling up a lower resolution picture *should* result in a picture that's practically the same. Notice how Bungie did not say that they could not discern a difference in a frame rendered NATIVELY in 1280x720 vs. one rendered natively in 1152x640.
Also, scaling an image up to a non integer multiple is *never* as sharp as 1:1 pixel mapping. I'd like to know how many Bungie graphics designers are willing to work on screens with a native resolution of 1280x720 using video information scaled up from 1152x640? How many would rather the image be left as 1152x640 with 1:1 pixel mapping in the middle of the 1280x720 screen?

As I've said before, I don't think that rendering at a resolution of 1152x640 then scaling up to 1280x720 or 1920x1080 is that big of an issue for my enjoyment of Halo 3. The "tinfoil hats" did over-react, but having an OFFICIAL statement from Bungie address these valid (although minor) complaints with such a demeaning attitude and with so much PR truthiness and hand waving has disappointed me even more. I expected a straight forward, technically accurate and professional response from Bungie.

  • 09.30.2007 7:25 AM PDT