- last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT
Posted by: Recoton007
I see Gearbox and Hired Gun as the most responsible in the final products of Halo PC and H2V, and this is why I blame them and not Bungie. I blame Bungie for ignoring the PC audience. I see Bungie as not being strongly involved with the productions of these games, which is why I'm confused when you agree with me in this respect, while you attempt to disprove me. I fully agree with you that Bungie is responsible for the net coding, however, what they offered Gearbox was the basic skeleton, the alpha version core elements, which should have been filled in and corrected as Gearbox saw fit. The coding they offered Gearbox was by no means, what should have been in the Final Product. So, in their inability in correcting this coding, and making a reasonable solid port, I see Gearbox as failing not only the community, but also the reputation of excellence which Bungie sought to uphold. I blame Bungie for not being in the picture to guard its own reputation.
Then you blame Bungie for all of the wrong reasons. When they say "mandate," they mean, "this is what Bungie limited us to do." Bungie was there, by their side, telling them what they could and could not do. Bungie is responsible for the first port because they did have a serious hand in it. You some how are under the impression that Bungie just "gave them the code and told them, 'good luck.' " This was NOT the case. They were there through each step telling them what they COULD and COULD NOT do. They weren't even allowed to patch the game after a certain amount of time, thanks to Bungie. Again, Bungie's "roots" are fictitious. I don't know of anyone who actually remembers playing Marathon BEFORE Halo came out, mostly because it was a Doom clone with its own plot. Their only true title they have that really made a difference was Myth, and like as if that's really going to see the light of day any more (especially with Seropian no longer being around). You give them more credit then what the company is truly worth, more so because they are responsible immensely for the faults in the first port.
Posted by: Recoton007
Hired Gun is a different issue. They were so focused on incorporating Windows Live (which is c*** compared to Xbox Live,) that they ended up making a disappointing game at best. Once again, Bungie was nowhere to be seen, except sometimes dropping in during production to offer minor tips to the developers. These 10 people did the best they could, and no doubt there was much sweat dripping into the keyboards, however the final product was also disappointing at best.
No one actually knows the story with Hired Gun. We've heard no official statement from the team nor any hints from team members as well. All we know is that there is at least one or two developers who try as hard as they can to fix people's problems with the game. What we do know is that Bungie ended up ignoring the project back in November of last year and claiming that "they had nothing to do with the project." That's about all we know of Halo 2 Vista as of now.
Posted by: Recoton007
I don't need to register in the Gearbox Forums and speak with him, to know that he is not well intentioned and overall a nice guy. However, I feel that there is a great difference between how he views his team's final product, and the critic's view. I'm not saying that he is spewing propaganda, but I'm saying that because he works in the company, he has a bias.
EVERYONE is biased. It would be foolish to think anyone isn't. Even someone who is unaware of a situation is still biased, because the only way they can have an opinion on each conflicting side is to hear what each side say, and, therefore, he forms his own biased opinion. I'm not entirely sure why you're having such a hard time accept this as fact. Gearbox actually gave a damn about us PC gamers. THEY were the ones that made the new maps. THEY gave us HEK. THEY gave us patches. THEY did all of this even after Bungie had left and didn't give two damns about the game. And they STILL help out with people who have trouble with the game, despite the fact they aren't even allowed to touch it any more.
So I'm not entirely sure what your problem is. Three days ago you didn't even know that the Mongoose or that Bungie mandated many of the problems with Halo 1 PC. You obviously lacked the knowledge of independent research, and yet when you're provided with common knowledge you scoff at it and question its credibility. Rather, I'm surprised no one has scoffed at you for writing ten paragraphs to prove a faulty point with a lack of research. You are really in no position to question anyone's credibility except yourself's.