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Posted by: Recoton007
I see Gearbox and Hired Gun as the most responsible in the final products of Halo PC and H2V, and this is why I blame them and not Bungie. I blame Bungie for ignoring the PC audience."


Dude, Bungie cares about PC gamers much more than Microsoft will ever care. Also, i'd like to remind you that the Mongoose was a vehicle back when Halo: Combat Evolved was a Real-Time-Strategy. Bungie didn't steal from HaloGen, HaloGen stole from Bungie. Dude, do you even pay attension to this thread? Also, I have absoloutly no idea why Microsoft took off HaloGen and there not doing it with Halo Wars.

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Bungie Studios departing from Microsoft?

Just came back online after a 2 month problem with the phone line. Sorry if this is old news but can't find anything on this forum about it. Just want to know if the rumor is true or not?

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Posted by: Hujgup
Dude, Bungie cares about PC gamers much more than Microsoft will ever care. Also, i'd like to remind you that the Mongoose was a vehicle back when Halo: Combat Evolved was a Real-Time-Strategy. Bungie didn't steal from HaloGen, HaloGen stole from Bungie. Dude, do you even pay attension to this thread? Also, I have absoloutly no idea why Microsoft took off HaloGen and there not doing it with Halo Wars.

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What? Do you have any proof to back up that claim? Because if you look at what's transpired in the intervening years since Bungie released Halo CE, it sure as hell doesn't look like they care too much about PC gamers. If Bungie did care about it's PC fanbase, why was Halo PC such a mediocre port? Why are only a handful of people playing Halo 2 Vista? And the big one: Why is this forum not on the main page like the Halo 3 forum? I don't think you even read the whole thread, since we've already discussed the mongoose and it's origins. I think you're full of -blam!- dude.

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What? Do you have any proof to back up that claim? Because if you look at what's transpired in the intervening years since Bungie released Halo CE, it sure as hell doesn't look like they care too much about PC gamers. If Bungie did care about it's PC fanbase, why was Halo PC such a mediocre port? Why are only a handful of people playing Halo 2 Vista? And the big one: Why is this forum not on the main page like the Halo 3 forum? I don't think you even read the whole thread, since we've already discussed the mongoose and it's origins. I think you're full of -blam!- dude.


Were being slowly removed from the forums, cause the PC fanbase just doesnt make enough money for the money lovers i mean we PC gamers take care of our disks, and we dont go and get red rings of death so we only buy the game, then we play, play and play till a better game comes out, nuff said. Look the PC community just cant keep pace with the money making corps, we get bored of a game, what do we do? WE MOD IT. Does that make anyone money? HECK NO, why? Mods are made by the fans, for fans. That is why were a community, been to the Halo 3 forums lately? its all -blam!- and whine about how they were cheated. All i can say is: You get what you pay for :D

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Posted by: Recoton007
I see Gearbox and Hired Gun as the most responsible in the final products of Halo PC and H2V, and this is why I blame them and not Bungie. I blame Bungie for ignoring the PC audience. I see Bungie as not being strongly involved with the productions of these games, which is why I'm confused when you agree with me in this respect, while you attempt to disprove me. I fully agree with you that Bungie is responsible for the net coding, however, what they offered Gearbox was the basic skeleton, the alpha version core elements, which should have been filled in and corrected as Gearbox saw fit. The coding they offered Gearbox was by no means, what should have been in the Final Product. So, in their inability in correcting this coding, and making a reasonable solid port, I see Gearbox as failing not only the community, but also the reputation of excellence which Bungie sought to uphold. I blame Bungie for not being in the picture to guard its own reputation.

Then you blame Bungie for all of the wrong reasons. When they say "mandate," they mean, "this is what Bungie limited us to do." Bungie was there, by their side, telling them what they could and could not do. Bungie is responsible for the first port because they did have a serious hand in it. You some how are under the impression that Bungie just "gave them the code and told them, 'good luck.' " This was NOT the case. They were there through each step telling them what they COULD and COULD NOT do. They weren't even allowed to patch the game after a certain amount of time, thanks to Bungie. Again, Bungie's "roots" are fictitious. I don't know of anyone who actually remembers playing Marathon BEFORE Halo came out, mostly because it was a Doom clone with its own plot. Their only true title they have that really made a difference was Myth, and like as if that's really going to see the light of day any more (especially with Seropian no longer being around). You give them more credit then what the company is truly worth, more so because they are responsible immensely for the faults in the first port.

Posted by: Recoton007
Hired Gun is a different issue. They were so focused on incorporating Windows Live (which is c*** compared to Xbox Live,) that they ended up making a disappointing game at best. Once again, Bungie was nowhere to be seen, except sometimes dropping in during production to offer minor tips to the developers. These 10 people did the best they could, and no doubt there was much sweat dripping into the keyboards, however the final product was also disappointing at best.

No one actually knows the story with Hired Gun. We've heard no official statement from the team nor any hints from team members as well. All we know is that there is at least one or two developers who try as hard as they can to fix people's problems with the game. What we do know is that Bungie ended up ignoring the project back in November of last year and claiming that "they had nothing to do with the project." That's about all we know of Halo 2 Vista as of now.

Posted by: Recoton007
I don't need to register in the Gearbox Forums and speak with him, to know that he is not well intentioned and overall a nice guy. However, I feel that there is a great difference between how he views his team's final product, and the critic's view. I'm not saying that he is spewing propaganda, but I'm saying that because he works in the company, he has a bias.

EVERYONE is biased. It would be foolish to think anyone isn't. Even someone who is unaware of a situation is still biased, because the only way they can have an opinion on each conflicting side is to hear what each side say, and, therefore, he forms his own biased opinion. I'm not entirely sure why you're having such a hard time accept this as fact. Gearbox actually gave a damn about us PC gamers. THEY were the ones that made the new maps. THEY gave us HEK. THEY gave us patches. THEY did all of this even after Bungie had left and didn't give two damns about the game. And they STILL help out with people who have trouble with the game, despite the fact they aren't even allowed to touch it any more.

So I'm not entirely sure what your problem is. Three days ago you didn't even know that the Mongoose or that Bungie mandated many of the problems with Halo 1 PC. You obviously lacked the knowledge of independent research, and yet when you're provided with common knowledge you scoff at it and question its credibility. Rather, I'm surprised no one has scoffed at you for writing ten paragraphs to prove a faulty point with a lack of research. You are really in no position to question anyone's credibility except yourself's.

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Posted by: Fake
Bungie Studios departing from Microsoft?

Just came back online after a 2 month problem with the phone line. Sorry if this is old news but can't find anything on this forum about it. Just want to know if the rumor is true or not?


Hasn't been confirmed but might be in the next couple of days. My only problem with the original e-mail that started the rumor is that it mentions Halo4 which everyone knows is not happening

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What?! Bungie can't just leave! Their supposed to stage a bloody coup! How will we acheive world domination now?

To retocon: sick of arguing with you, I don't know if you are just ignorant or just love to argue with people, I wont be posting on this thread any more.

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EVERYONE is biased. It would be foolish to think anyone isn't. Even someone who is unaware of a situation is still biased, because the only way they can have an opinion on each conflicting side is to hear what each side say, and, therefore, he forms his own biased opinion. I'm not entirely sure why you're having such a hard time accept this as fact. Gearbox actually gave a damn about us PC gamers. THEY were the ones that made the new maps. THEY gave us HEK. THEY gave us patches. THEY did all of this even after Bungie had left and didn't give two damns about the game. And they STILL help out with people who have trouble with the game, despite the fact they aren't even allowed to touch it any more.

So I'm not entirely sure what your problem is. Three days ago you didn't even know that the Mongoose or that Bungie mandated many of the problems with Halo 1 PC. You obviously lacked the knowledge of independent research, and yet when you're provided with common knowledge you scoff at it and question its credibility. Rather, I'm surprised no one has scoffed at you for writing ten paragraphs to prove a faulty point with a lack of research. You are really in no position to question anyone's credibility except yourself's.


I definitely agree that everyone has some bias. I agree that Gearbox gave a damn about PC gamers. I agree with the fact that they gave us HEK, patches, etc. I am not complaining of what Gearbox tried to do, I am complaining for what they did.

BTW, something like eight of the ten paragraphs were background history. So saying that I spent ten paragraphs bashing Bungie isn't accurate. I realize now that Bungie probably devised the Mongoose before anyone else. I DO NOT believe that Bungie was responsible for the Halo port that was released for the PC. I am always questioning my credibility, which should be understood. As I said, I found no information on the Mongoose prior to Halo 3, before this thread. I have learned that much. What I have also learned is that you agree with me in thinking that Bungie wasn't really involved with the production of the ports, yet at the same time, you blame Bungie for the port's faults. If Bungie gave Gearbox c***py guidelines to follow, that doesn't mean that Gearbox should be satisfied with the c*** they put their name on.

A company does not want to be associated with c***, so Gearbox obviously released this game thinking that they had done a good job, which they did not. They did an "eh" job. I remember how a while back when Sid Meier was starting out, he had his name on everything, from Civilization to Pirates to what have you. One game that he had his name on was a game called "Covert Ops." All you need to know about this game is that it sucked, and that even when it was called "Sid Meier's: Covert Ops," he had nothing to do with it's production. It was a crappy game that tarnished his good name. Such is the case with Halo PC and H2V. So there's some videogaming background that you can chew.

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Posted by: Hujgup
Dude, Bungie cares about PC gamers much more than Microsoft will ever care. Also, i'd like to remind you that the Mongoose was a vehicle back when Halo: Combat Evolved was a Real-Time-Strategy. Bungie didn't steal from HaloGen, HaloGen stole from Bungie. Dude, do you even pay attension to this thread? Also, I have absoloutly no idea why Microsoft took off HaloGen and there not doing it with Halo Wars.

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What? Do you have any proof to back up that claim? Because if you look at what's transpired in the intervening years since Bungie released Halo CE, it sure as hell doesn't look like they care too much about PC gamers. If Bungie did care about it's PC fanbase, why was Halo PC such a mediocre port? Why are only a handful of people playing Halo 2 Vista? And the big one: Why is this forum not on the main page like the Halo 3 forum? I don't think you even read the whole thread, since we've already discussed the mongoose and it's origins. I think you're full of -blam!- dude.


To TUI_Obi_Wan: What you said goes double for me. Amen brotha.

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Posted by: Recoton007
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Dudes, what does the Starship Enterprise and toilet paper have in common? They both get sent to Uranus to wipe out the Klingons!
Posted by: Recoton007

To TUI_Obi_Wan: What you said goes double for me. Amen brotha.


Yeah man, this guys a fanboi. He needs to wake up and smell the mediocrity. If Bungie cares so much about it's PC fans, why don't they develop the freakin PC versions of their games themselves? If Bungie cares so much for it's PC fans, why did they let themselves be turned into an Xbox developer? The answer is only three characters long people. $$$. Now that the Halo arc is complete we get this rumor that Bungie is parting from Microsoft, maybe, just maybe, they'll start making some PC games again. Personally I'd like to see an Oni II. Cuz purple haired asian chicks who kick mondo ass are hawt.

  • 10.04.2007 5:17 PM PDT

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The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Fake
Bungie Studios departing from Microsoft?

Just came back online after a 2 month problem with the phone line. Sorry if this is old news but can't find anything on this forum about it. Just want to know if the rumor is true or not?


Check page 2 of this thread. :)

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This is what Bungie should have done. Epic Games shows strong dedication in making an amazing port. I'm not sure as of how good the final product will actually be at the end of the day. But they definitely seem to show some affinity with PC gamers, and they seem to want to make an "evolution" of the original game. For Gears of War PC, they are gonna push the envelope further than just boosting some of the graphics a tad bit. This is how H2V should have been handled, and I have strong confidence in Epic Games in making an awesome PC version of a kicka** 360 game.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/942000/6180422/videoplayerpop?

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Posted by: Recoton007
This is what Bungie should have done. Epic Games shows strong dedication in making an amazing port. I'm not sure as of how good the final product will actually be at the end of the day. But they definitely seem to show some affinity with PC gamers, and they seem to want to make an "evolution" of the original game. For Gears of War PC, they are gonna push the envelope further than just boosting some of the graphics a tad bit. This is how H2V should have been handled, and I have strong confidence in Epic Games in making an awesome PC version of a kicka** 360 game.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/942000/6180422/videoplayerpop?


If only they were gunna port Halo 3 to PC :(

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It is confirmed guys. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/123091. asp

THANK GOODNESS!!!

We might get a good port of Halo 3 after all.

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Posted by: Recoton007
This is what Bungie should have done. Epic Games shows strong dedication in making an amazing port. I'm not sure as of how good the final product will actually be at the end of the day. But they definitely seem to show some affinity with PC gamers, and they seem to want to make an "evolution" of the original game. For Gears of War PC, they are gonna push the envelope further than just boosting some of the graphics a tad bit. This is how H2V should have been handled, and I have strong confidence in Epic Games in making an awesome PC version of a kicka** 360 game.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/942000/6180422/videoplayerpop?


Too bad they coded in ways to cripple the mouse and keyboard combo : D I wrote a short poem to show how this works:

Epic games, how we love thee...
Screw over control schemes
For the PC

For xbox noobs
with too much dough
will buy the port
and whine and moan

*takes bow, then dances into the sunset

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