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Subject: Dedicated forum for older residents

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simple question. i've been here since late '04, lost my account due to inactivity because h2 turned this site into a circus for a short time (deja vu Ninjas?), then i came back early '05. sorry for the life story, but i was wondering if a dedicated Ninja moderated limited access public forum (say that ten times fast) could be possible. if anything, it would give all the new members and/or mischievous members something to "work" for.

i'm at work and i don't have all day, but i did a quick search and didn't find anything conclusive. Just a post in a similar topic by Pink Menace back in '04...

  • 10.03.2007 12:56 PM PDT

because if seeing is believing,
then believe that we have lost our eyes

I don't think there would be anything to talk about other than arguments on who has been here longer.

Get a room! ...I mean group.

  • 10.03.2007 1:04 PM PDT
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That would be nice. I've been around since '03 with this same account.

  • 10.03.2007 1:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: phoenix67
I don't think there would be anything to talk about other than arguments on who has been here longer.

Get a room! ...I mean group.


groups have issues unless they're moderated by one of the Ninjas, even then...

i don't think the long time members are the type that would want to argue over such matters and that's the point.

this isn't a "let's make a forum for the bungie l337!!eleven!1!" idea.

  • 10.03.2007 1:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: deaf and dumb
Posted by: phoenix67
I don't think there would be anything to talk about other than arguments on who has been here longer.

Get a room! ...I mean group.


groups have issues unless they're moderated by one of the Ninjas, even then...

i don't think the long time members are the type that would want to argue over such matters and that's the point.

this isn't a "let's make a forum for the bungie l337!!eleven!1!" idea.

we are soooooo leet though... :-)

  • 10.03.2007 1:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: deaf and dumb
groups have issues unless they're moderated by one of the Ninjas, even then...

I have several groups that have 100+ members, no Ninja moderation, and no issues. I even have one group with over a hundred where everyone has some sort of moderating ability, and still no issues.

I can empathize with what your saying, but I dont think an 'older member' forum is a solution.

  • 10.03.2007 1:37 PM PDT

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i'm not really looking for a solution to anything. this recent circus was expected by us all. i guess i've just been wondering, for a while now, why this has never happened. But i guess "join a group..." is as far as this idea has gone.

there's pros and cons to it, but probably not worth the effort on the back end. just an idea.

  • 10.03.2007 1:46 PM PDT
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I don't think this is such a good idea... It really is identical to a group for old members. /:

  • 10.03.2007 2:20 PM PDT
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My guess is that it boils down to elitism which this forum seems to hate so much.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

I think that "join a group" is as far as the idea has gone because that is the answer to your question. I fail to see why there should be a publicly moderated forum only for certain members who gain some completely irrelevant status like length of membership. Some of the oldest members of this site are some of its worst and most destructive. You think the guy who stole a moderator account and deleted all those threads a couple of months ago was a new member?

Even if you ignored length-of-membership and had a restricted-access special forum using some non-objective qualifier such as quality of posting, it would, nearly automatically, be both under- and over-inclusive. Members who post seldomly but very intelligently would be excluded because nobody knew them (underinclusive), while members who arguably should not be accorded any special privileges may be granted access due to knowing somebody with the power to admit them (overinclusive). This over- and under-inclusiveness is fine in many other situations where even with the over- and under-inclusiveness, you are still giving newer members good examples (perhaps even role models, in some way) to follow. But a special forum removes those good examples and places them in their own area, leaving behind the dregs of the forum to establish and continue forum culture.

I have still never seen anybody state an issue or problem that would be a good reason for a "restricted access" forum that couldn't be solved through less restrictive means. If you want to encourage new members to be better posters, the more reasonable solution is to have something along the lines of the much-debated "Veteran Member" status that allows members to do things like use the rumored "Report Thread" button.

In the end, the only thing that a special public forum amounts to is some kind of status symbol that says "I've graduated from hanging out with you fools and moving on to bigger and better things." That kind of sentiment is fine when you're talking about unofficial private groups because, in some cases, the sentiment is wholly true. But any label or privilege accorded to a member in a public, official or semi-official way (such as moderator or "veteran member" status) should lead to and encourage MORE interaction in the public forums, rather than LESS. Once the "good members" are no longer encouraged to participate in the public forums, you will see the gap between the mess in the Halo 3 Forum and what we consider to be civilized discussion increase even further.

[Edited on 10.03.2007 5:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.03.2007 2:20 PM PDT

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good stuff Foman, i can see you've put much thought into this and i agree with you all. i just don't have the brains to put it down the way you do.
this report button is the kind of thing i was hoping to hear from a thread like this.

if you could send me a link to a thread about this report button, or give me any info please, that would be great.

  • 10.03.2007 3:31 PM PDT
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Once again, Foman's blinding wall of logic has eradicated all trace of what I was going to say.
So I'll just say 'no'.

  • 10.03.2007 4:08 PM PDT
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No.

  • 10.03.2007 4:45 PM PDT

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Well, public join dates were removed due to ridiculous elitism. So.. think what a "VIP forum" would cause!

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: deaf and dumb
good stuff Foman, i can see you've put much thought into this and i agree with you all. i just don't have the brains to put it down the way you do.
this report button is the kind of thing i was hoping to hear from a thread like this.

if you could send me a link to a thread about this report button, or give me any info please, that would be great.


Sure, just click this link or read the quote below:
Posted by: Achronos
Oh, and btw, a "report thread" feature has been designed, all that remains is the implementation part. Unfortunately, Halo 3 is taking up all of my time, so no ETA on that... probably not until a release after the Halo 3 launch, but hopefully this year. And don't worry, everyone will be able to use it, and no, it won't be abusable, even though it will appear to be easily abused, partially for my amusement and partially to trap those that think they will be able to abuse it. :)

  • 10.03.2007 5:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: phoenix67
I don't think there would be anything to talk about other than arguments on who has been here longer.



Because we don't have that already? Besides, what is most of the Halo 3 forum besides "How can you insult someone worse than the other?" or quite possibly "What new and equally lame way can you use kittens to convey something entirely irrelevent?"

I've been an advocate for a new forum geared towards (NOT RESTRICTED TO...) fans who would prefer controlled and progressive discussion of the Halo-verse. Unfortunately, most of what I get in return is anti-elitism, anti-Prometheus25, or anti-read-and-comprehend-topic posts

  • 10.03.2007 6:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I don't care how old I am, you kids are NOT putting me into a nursing home!

But you'd look so cute! And you'd smell!

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I don't care how old I am, you kids are NOT putting me into a nursing home!


We're going to Disney Land, I promise!

I'm against the idea for the same reasons listed above.

[Edited on 10.04.2007 12:26 AM PDT]

  • 10.04.2007 12:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: deaf and dumb
good stuff Foman, i can see you've put much thought into this and i agree with you all. i just don't have the brains to put it down the way you do.
this report button is the kind of thing i was hoping to hear from a thread like this.

if you could send me a link to a thread about this report button, or give me any info please, that would be great.


Sure, just click this link or read the quote below:
Posted by: Achronos
Oh, and btw, a "report thread" feature has been designed, all that remains is the implementation part. Unfortunately, Halo 3 is taking up all of my time, so no ETA on that... probably not until a release after the Halo 3 launch, but hopefully this year. And don't worry, everyone will be able to use it, and no, it won't be abusable, even though it will appear to be easily abused, partially for my amusement and partially to trap those that think they will be able to abuse it. :)


thanks dude

  • 10.04.2007 11:31 AM PDT

Posted by: dalmedya
Once again, Foman's blinding wall of logic has eradicated all trace of what I was going to say.


And he kept it down to only four paragraphs. Which is always a Foman bonus.

On topic, I'd rather not have a forum dedicated to old B.net members who roll their eyes if you didn't play the Marathon beta and wax poetic about the good ol' days.

No offense Recon.

  • 10.04.2007 11:36 AM PDT

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No offense Recon.

None taken.

Unless I do that? I certainly hope that I don't come across that way.

ZOMG, Recon iz teh l337izt!


No, you don't. Other than being really old, which was none of your doing. FIX YOUR CONCEPTION RECON'S PARENTS!!!!!!

  • 10.04.2007 12:01 PM PDT

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