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the ONLY effective weapon. hahahahaha good one. how about the shotgun ,sniper rifle or the plasma rifle? more then half of it is skill anyways the other 35% is the weapon you choose

  • 06.05.2004 1:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: PriceChild
Posted by: Reclaimer NL
THERE WILL BE A COVIE SNIPER IN THE GAME, bungie said so!
An update long ago said that; the AI from the marines now is much better they can even report if there is a "covenant sniper in the neigbourhoud"!!!


Congratulations, it's called a Carbine, Covenant Carbine, Covvie Carbine, you choice lol.


Quotes from OXM Halo 2 Issue,

"In addition, we're also able to unveil the Covenant's answer to the Battle Rifle. Apparently those Elites were paying attention during Halo 1. Called a Covenant Carbine, this bit of their alien technology smacks suspiciously of the enhanced Battle Rifle's power with a scope for getting the bead on enemies and a good firing rate. When you're unloading round after round, the Carbine will kick back on each shot, with bullet chambers that auto-eject when emptied."

"We got a load of some unconfirmed weaponry like a super-powerful Covenant Sniper Rifle. With its high powered, lightning-fast energy blast, we're hoping Bungie leaves this one in for good"

First off, the Carbine is confirmed but the Covie Sniper Rifle is not. Secondly, PriceChild, you should do some research befor you try to mock someone.

  • 06.05.2004 1:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: SUPERTOY
Posted by: PriceChild
Posted by: Reclaimer NL
THERE WILL BE A COVIE SNIPER IN THE GAME, bungie said so!
An update long ago said that; the AI from the marines now is much better they can even report if there is a "covenant sniper in the neigbourhoud"!!!


Congratulations, it's called a Carbine, Covenant Carbine, Covvie Carbine, you choice lol.


Quotes from OXM Halo 2 Issue,

"In addition, we're also able to unveil the Covenant's answer to the Battle Rifle. Apparently those Elites were paying attention during Halo 1. Called a Covenant Carbine, this bit of their alien technology smacks suspiciously of the enhanced Battle Rifle's power with a scope for getting the bead on enemies and a good firing rate. When you're unloading round after round, the Carbine will kick back on each shot, with bullet chambers that auto-eject when emptied."

"We got a load of some unconfirmed weaponry like a super-powerful Covenant Sniper Rifle. With its high powered, lightning-fast energy blast, we're hoping Bungie leaves this one in for good"

First off, the Carbine is confirmed but the Covie Sniper Rifle is not. Secondly, PriceChild, you should do some research befor you try to mock someone.


The Covenant Carbine is the Covenant's answer to the assault rifle, not the battle rifle. They haven't seen the battle rifle yet.

  • 06.05.2004 1:48 PM PDT
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Actually, in a weekly uptade, I think it was confirmed, and the carbine is the covie battlerifle

[Edited on 6/5/2004 1:51:23 PM]

  • 06.05.2004 1:50 PM PDT
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Oh, yeah. You're right. Sorry.

  • 06.05.2004 1:53 PM PDT
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No problom, don't say sorry, it's just a simple mistake.

  • 06.05.2004 2:40 PM PDT
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Ok then. I am not sorry. =P

  • 06.05.2004 3:16 PM PDT
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dude a covie weapon with scope-age! *drools on keyboard*

  • 06.05.2004 6:29 PM PDT
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Lol, I wanna see how the scope looks, and the laser.
[color="003247"]I will kick @ss with it.[/color]

  • 06.05.2004 7:05 PM PDT
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Awesome update Frankie!
Spartan 00029, how do u do the invisible writing???

  • 06.05.2004 11:29 PM PDT
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Great update, very thought provoking. But i was put into a state of awe when i heard someone against balancing the pistol out. I thought to myself, man this guy just doesn't understand the fundamentals of gameplay balance. Let me illustrate just how badly imbalanced the pistol was in Halo:Combat Evolved.

1. Controlled all mid-field ranged fights with impunity
2. The only maps that allow the sniper rifle to dominate the pistol at a further range are sidewinder, blood gultch and boarding action.
3. The only maps that allow close range guns to dominate the pistol their respective ranges are chiron, and chill out and longest.
4. If you play any gametype without shields the pistol is pretty much the staple primary weapon of choise.
5. Close range and long range weapons can both slaughter a pistol user when used at their proficient range. However some people may have noticed, the crazy little fact the at long distances the sniper rifle is extremely effective, even against the pistol, however when you pick up a sniper rifle you dont really end up with very much ammo do you? 12 shots, 3 reloads and you're out. The pistols ammunition is abundant. at closer range plasma weapons can dominate the pistol but as we've noticed same with the sniper rifle plasma weapons batteries dry out fast, and need to be discarded after only a short ammount of kills. In games where you start with a pistol you're already at an advantage, in game where you need to pick them up there's still an abundance of ammunition to go along with it.

So in short based on that information, you can either take one of two positions, Accept that the pistol is in halo:Combat evolved to stay, get very good with the pistol and abuse it's mid-range control to your benefit, thus eliminating the need for more than 50% of the weapons. Or you can take the other approach and accept the fact that it's imbalanced refuse to play gametypes with the pistol, and experience the fun and strategic approach to the game showing that deciding which two weapons to pick up for a fire fight does infact ultimately decide your success in the game.

Should Halo2 be about exploiting primarily the control of one weapon? Or should it be a endlessly deep game where skill in knowing the strength and weaknesses of all weapons plays a key role in your success. Where someone can kill just as effectively with the shotgun as they can with the smg, where someone can say, i'm soo good this round i'm just gonna kill with the needler, or the plasma sword. There lies and extreme depth to a game where weapon balance is perfected. These games allow for each person to play the game how they see fit and still be successful.


  • 06.06.2004 5:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mikey
Awesome update Frankie!
Spartan 00029, how do u do the invisible writing???


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There shouldn't be a space between [ and color.

  • 06.06.2004 7:57 AM PDT
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[color="003247"]It should look like this. =P[/color]

  • 06.06.2004 7:57 AM PDT
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[color=003247]So we meet again invisible. You can't beat me[/color]

  • 06.06.2004 8:08 AM PDT
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From now on. I am always going to press Ctrl + A before I go on to any post so I can read the hidden messages. [color="003247"]Like this one. =P[/color]

[Edited on 6/6/2004 8:14:47 AM]

  • 06.06.2004 8:14 AM PDT

My thumbsticks will be your Doom.... sorry 'bout that.
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In response to the long post by Creep:

I think the pistol is arguably the most powerful weapon in the game (especially in Campaign... i feel naked without one), however it does not give you total advantage over others in MP.

I can routinely beat anyone who solely uses the pistol on -lets say Battle Creek (I play that one a Lot... a good mid size level) using ANY other weapon. Bungie has created such a balanced game with Halo that no one weapon in my opinion gives you total domination (even the rocket launcher can be thwarted with an oversheild. In the case when you are not playing with an shields then yes a pistol does fit in perfectly between the AR and the Sniper Riffle. However a sniper riffle by far has the most powerful single shot (launcher aside) and therefore in the right hands can be a truly devasting weapon. And the AR has such a rapid rate of fire that, in close, it should be no match for the handgun (keeping in mind that no one should play as a sitting target!).

Game modes that I often play with friends are:

Pistol -blam!-- no shields, pistols, 100% or 50% health, usually solely on Wizard.
(this mode is all about the might of the pistol and using the plamsa pistol and killing someone is the ultimate method of humiliating them, grenades should play a large role on this level& setting too). This is can also be used to play Pistol Tag.

Snipes- no shields, scope weapons (pistol and sniper riffle), 200% health if shields are off, 50% if shields are on, usually solely on Derelict, Wizard (if just 2Players), and Blood Gulch with just Warthogs and Hang'em High is really fun. Again another good Tag game setting.

Human- shields, human weapons, pretty much any level (Chill Out is generaly more fun with plasma weapons thrown in da mix)

Not only will you find through extensive play in these modes; how deadly the pistol can be but also it's weaknesses, in that there are various methods of getting around a pistol-blam!- if played right (keep your distance or get in up close -so yes I guess Bungie has created weapons that are dominant in all 3 ranges, close, medium and far).
These are all just my opinions based on my experience from playing the game for so long and I hope Halo 2 is as balanced (with all these new and different weapons!) and as fun as halo 1 was. I'm confident it will delight us all.

[Edited on 6/7/2004 7:39:08 AM]

  • 06.06.2004 11:43 AM PDT
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Reading all of this makes it seem even longer before Halo 2 is released.

  • 06.06.2004 12:17 PM PDT
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Haha, just 5 more months. Just 5 more months. [color="003247"]Aww man, I can't wait that long![/color]

  • 06.06.2004 12:33 PM PDT
Subject: NEWS ON THE NEW UPDATE TODAY-weaker pistol

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[color=003250]pistols are balanced in Halo 1, and will probably be more so in Halo 2.[/color]
[color=red]Anyway, stop being babies people, pistols aren't too powerful, you probably suck with them.[/color]

[Edited on 6/6/2004 1:02:18 PM]

  • 06.06.2004 12:47 PM PDT
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Me, I personally hate pistols not because I think they're strong, I think they stink. I barely ever use them. [color="003247"]I am all sniper rifle baby[/color]

  • 06.06.2004 12:52 PM PDT
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it might be a shotgun, double blast fire!

ohh the new pistol will have NO SCOPE and be WEAKER? is that what he's trying to say?

Remember Perfect Dark's shotgun. that was either BANG, or BAN.BANG! double or single shot so maybe the new shotgun does that? that would own. shot 1 takes the shields, and shot 2 kills 'em!

  • 06.06.2004 12:57 PM PDT
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It's probably a weakened pistol with no scope, but is dual wieldable.

  • 06.06.2004 1:03 PM PDT
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  • 06.06.2004 1:15 PM PDT
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What the [color="003247"]hell[/color] are you doing?

  • 06.06.2004 1:20 PM PDT
Subject: NEWS ON THE NEW UPDATE TODAY
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This is personally the best update so far... The fact that it stats that they listen to what we say (most likely off this message boad, as well as emails and other such) and possible use our idea's as possible things to happen in Halo 2...

  • 06.06.2004 7:21 PM PDT