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Subject: Do you think that Bungie cares about it's PC Fanbase?
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Posted by: madkiller92
they said there was a guy who did a shoting then killed himself. they said "well we know he played counter strike a lot, so we think it's CS's fault!" wtf....
and i would like to know... why do people liek to blame video games for problems just beacusse theres no answer to y.


Because they're a relatively new form of media, and young people enjoy them. The same thing happened to rock and roll in the 50's, happened to sex in the 20's, and books in the 19th century. It's nothing new.
And "not zees" like Jack effing Thompson are going to make a living degrading our hobby. As far as I'm concerned, that guy can please me with his mouth.

  • 03.04.2008 2:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

I'm wondering out loud if Bungie even has people that can even write a PC game anymore...? Remember, Bungie hasn't made a PC game since Oni. That was like 10 years ago.

  • 03.06.2008 4:36 PM PDT
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SO!!! uh yea...well i think that they care about how much money they make. They only care about us when it comes to finacial reasons. Hell, if they did this for -blam!-s and giggles halo would be the would be the crappiest game ever, becuase no one would be making money... For example, i work at a sub shop, we like to greet our customers and be polite: we are only being nice, becuase we want their money and we want them to comeback and spend more money. I did not put alot of time in this so don't pay close attention to spelling errors or stuff like that. Me... well im just a player who plays the game, becuase it's fun, as for who is the best player and all that other candy ass crap i dont care. This is rare for me to post.

  • 03.07.2008 6:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Anton P Nym
who says you have to be an ace to have fun?

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Stupid parents let their stupid children play games that are rated M when they should be playing Big Birds Spelling Adventures

Posted by: Kira Onime
Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.

Remind me to never go to your craptastic sub shop.

When I worked at Wendy's, I actually cared about the customers and giving them good service; not because of their money, but because it's the RIGHT THING to do.

  • 03.07.2008 10:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Aj6627
Remind me to never go to your craptastic sub shop.

When I worked at Wendy's, I actually cared about the customers and giving them good service; not because of their money, but because it's the RIGHT THING to do.


Don't be so moralizing. Since I've ACTUALLY worked at a Subway, let me say that it's a far cry from Wendy's etc. The amount of customer interaction is much larger.
I could care less if the instituion I'm working at makes money, to be honest. However, I am an employee. I will do what I get paid to do - Try to accommodate as much as possible difficult customers while providing good service (and, in a sub shop case especially, food, since I determine the quality of the final product).
If you're an asshat at a place like subway, we have our ways. We won't spit in your food (mostly an urban myth tbh) but you might find slightly less meat, messier sandwiches, or sandwiches that have been crushed under the hand of the person that folded it. In extreme cases, we will refuse service (at my location, anyway)
If you're courteous, understanding, KNOW how to place an order at subway, you might find extra meat, information about discounts, be charged for a veggie, etc. etc.

My point is that the people behind the counter are humans, believe it or not. I take the highest classes offered at my high school, I work 10-15 hours a week to pay for plane tickets to Kansas (where my girlfriend lives). My parents no longer pay for most of my food and don't celebrate my birthday.
Don't be a jerk just because you're using mommy or daddy's money to get yourself some food.

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  • 03.07.2008 5:58 PM PDT
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Look guys. I think you people are misdirecting your arguments. Bungie is filled with a bunch of competent people who care about customers. Here is an example.

http://hawtymcbloggy.com/2008/03/07/bungie-unscrews-previousl y-screwed-gamer/

Did you see that original artwork on the brand new xbox 360? Did you see the awesome Halo swag? How about Marty's signature on the Halo 3 Soundtrack? It's MARTY! *drool* AND a Halo 3 Hackeysack. I didn't even know those existed.

Bungie cares about its games and its gamers. This is a clear fact.

However. And that's a big HOWEVER.

The computer gaming community has been left aside, playing 3 year old ports of Halo games, with little or no added bonuses. We have been abandoned.

All we hope for is to be thrown a bone.

A bone.

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well, once could argue that was for a 360 gamer. We need more than a bone. I'm not asking for free stuff, nor something that would cause Bungie to lose money. A faithful recreation or Halo 3 with a small amount of added content would be profitable for them. I don't see why it hasn't been done before.

  • 03.08.2008 12:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
well, once could argue that was for a 360 gamer. We need more than a bone. I'm not asking for free stuff, nor something that would cause Bungie to lose money. A faithful recreation or Halo 3 with a small amount of added content would be profitable for them. I don't see why it hasn't been done before.


No absolutely not, PC gamers dont need that legendary crap, we just want a good, game, a game that doesnt turn out like an inbred love child. One wonders if Bungie even checks these forums, its probably the calmest of all of them... Heh imagine that... The Maw silent...

  • 03.08.2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Holy crap. That reaction makes me hate Bungie even more. We get descriminated against because we like to play on the PC. What a bunch of jerks.

  • 03.08.2008 3:44 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Oh, this thread is still alive? Wow, it must have been a lonely year here in what was once maw.

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Posted by: n357
Holy crap. That reaction makes me hate Bungie even more. We get descriminated against because we like to play on the PC. What a bunch of jerks.


Well, you have to admit that developers have a reason for favoring the console over the PC. Look at it this way. Bioshock on the consoles outsold Bioshock on the PC 5-1. Call of Duty 4 on the consoles outsold Call of Duty 4 on the PC 10-1. Why is this? Because of software pirating. It is estimated that about 70% of PC games being played, are pirated versions. Developers lose a lot of money here, so they have a reason not to develop for the PC.

However, on the flip side, one could argue that the consoles are pretty bad too. Cracked Xbox 360 Mod Chips are being sold everyday, with hundreds to thousands of pirated games being downloaded everyday.

Perhaps this is partially the reason for Bungie ditching the PC. However, I believe that they actually sold themselves out in order to expand, and Microsoft (being the microsoft that they have always been) used Bungie as a catalyst to boost sales in their products such as the 360 and Vista.

Either way, we got screwed in the process...and are getting screwed on a daily basis by gearbox and their crappy gamespy servers, and primarily by games for windows live, THE WORST IDEA THAT MICROSOFT COULD HAVE EVER CONJURED UP from their ivory corporate headquarters in their computer-generated sky.

We deserve better.

  • 03.09.2008 9:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
Well, you have to admit that developers have a reason for favoring the console over the PC. Look at it this way. Bioshock on the consoles outsold Bioshock on the PC 5-1. Call of Duty 4 on the consoles outsold Call of Duty 4 on the PC 10-1. Why is this? Because of software pirating. It is estimated that about 70% of PC games being played, are pirated versions. Developers lose a lot of money here, so they have a reason not to develop for the PC.

However, on the flip side, one could argue that the consoles are pretty bad too. Cracked Xbox 360 Mod Chips are being sold everyday, with hundreds to thousands of pirated games being downloaded everyday.


First, I think hundreds to thousands MIGHT be an exaggeration on the xbox.
But you are right. That's the reason. A bunch of people who have no sense of decency steal games every day. They argue that "they wouldn't buy the game anyway" or something like that.
On the flipside, you have me. I've gotten used to steam, I pay for every one of my games. I use cracked .exe's to run all my games without discs, but I have paid the full price for EVERY single one of them. Anyone who steals games after someone spent, oftentimes, MILLIONS of dollars developing them is killing my platform, and is therefore my enemy. I hate copy-protection schemes like safedisc and securerom, but what would I do if a bunch of ungrateful immoral jackasses started stealing the art I created? we only have ourselves to blame for most of the "anti-PC" feelings in the videogame market.

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  • 03.09.2008 12:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: Recoton007
Well, you have to admit that developers have a reason for favoring the console over the PC. Look at it this way. Bioshock on the consoles outsold Bioshock on the PC 5-1. Call of Duty 4 on the consoles outsold Call of Duty 4 on the PC 10-1. Why is this? Because of software pirating. It is estimated that about 70% of PC games being played, are pirated versions. Developers lose a lot of money here, so they have a reason not to develop for the PC.

However, on the flip side, one could argue that the consoles are pretty bad too. Cracked Xbox 360 Mod Chips are being sold everyday, with hundreds to thousands of pirated games being downloaded everyday.


First, I think hundreds to thousands MIGHT be an exaggeration on the xbox.
But you are right. That's the reason. A bunch of people who have no sense of decency steal games every day. They argue that "they wouldn't buy the game anyway" or something like that.
On the flipside, you have me. I've gotten used to steam, I pay for every one of my games. I use cracked .exe's to run all my games without discs, but I have paid the full price for EVERY single one of them. Anyone who steals games after someone spent, oftentimes, MILLIONS of dollars developing them is killing my platform, and is therefore my enemy. I hate copy-protection schemes like safedisc and securerom, but what would I do if a bunch of ungrateful immorals jackasses started stealing the art I created? we only have ourselves to blame for most of the "anti-PC" feelings in the videogame market.


You know ,,,, i dont think anyone at Bungie or any admin really reads the posts here, these posts make really good points, but no one seems to be listening, the words of the Maw are silent. Notice how the only Bungie employee ever to post here nowadays are usually mods, or just plain low level workers, either way, no PR Guy to my knowledge has replied to any posts in this forum, seems were just a bunch of people with alot of gas...

  • 03.10.2008 6:20 AM PDT
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well yeah. Because they DON'T care about their PC fanbase, because we're frankly not very large nor valuable.

I promise you no Bungie employee of any type has read this thread, or any of the others. Hell, MODERATORS don't come in here! Why would a Bungie man?
We're all the people who loved Halo PC, a game that's dead and gone long ago. We lost it to hackers, we lost it to terrible support, we lost it to key crackers and thieves. Halo 2 PC was not even of Bungie's own design. Like I said above, there's no reason for anyone at this developer to care about us in the slightest. We've done nothing for them, and they've done nothing for us. We continue to suck up their bandwidth and they tore away our name and identity without so much as one lone thread in protest. call me a sentimental jerk, but I missed back when this was a larger community and (even if it was only for a month or so) when a developer cared if we liked their game or not.

  • 03.10.2008 5:45 PM PDT
Subject: And just when we thought Bungie betrayed us...
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And just when we thought Bungie betrayed Computer Gaming as we know it...

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=167808

Tim Sweeny, you have now been dubbed the title of "Senior -blam!-."

I mean wtf? What are wrong with you people? Is the entire PC gaming community infected with an incurable disease? Does everyone suddenly have AIDS that will spread to developers if they make PC games? I mean come on.

The new cryengine2 can run well on a freakin $600 computer, that you are probably going to buy anyway, for doing work. So don't give me this bulls***. You don't need a "big bad computer" and spend $5000 on an alienware computer to get UT3 up and running. You can spend 300 bucks on a videocard, and you're set. That's $300 bucks compared to the $500 cost of the PS3 and Xbox 360.

If rampant piracy is the problem, just put on better security. The PC is the BEST CONSOLE for gaming.

Tim Sweeny, until he turns back, is a deserting unproductive jacka**.

  • 03.11.2008 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
And just when we thought Bungie betrayed Computer Gaming as we know it...

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=167808

Tim Sweeny, you have now been dubbed the title of "Senior -blam!-."

I mean wtf? What are wrong with you people? Is the entire PC gaming community infected with an incurable disease? Does everyone suddenly have AIDS that will spread to developers if they make PC games? I mean come on.

The new cryengine2 can run well on a freakin $600 computer, that you are probably going to buy anyway, for doing work. So don't give me this bulls***. You don't need a "big bad computer" and spend $5000 on an alienware computer to get UT3 up and running. You can spend 300 bucks on a videocard, and you're set. That's $300 bucks compared to the $500 cost of the PS3 and Xbox 360.

If rampant piracy is the problem, just put on better security. The PC is the BEST CONSOLE for gaming.

Tim Sweeny, until he turns back, is a deserting unproductive jacka**.


Agreed, heck a 2000$ computer would make our dear friend the Xbox look like something that we dragged out of the gutter.
What we know as the Xbox is NOT a true console, What?? Yes Xbox is not a console, but it is the horrible combination of the Console and PC, PS3 and its predecessors were great, yes, but our platform is not something that can be compared with consoles.
Xboxes have tried to do so, they have succeeded with consequences that has cost many any decent entertainment, of course most of us should know an Xbox is merely taking the obsolete components of the PC's past and cobbling together something using crappy programming to pass it off as a console.
Now that the PC has been "Shown up" Because of the games like Halo 2, Halo 3, we ask ourselves are we that insufficient? I tell you No absolutely not. PC ports from Xbox are ALL not very well optimized as a smear campaign to this great platform. Thinking rationally, how did Halo 1 PC run on your machines when its port came out?
Except for the net, like a charm?
Of course, because back in 01' the original Xbox used very old components of computers, i would estimate 2 generations behind, still Halo 1 ran smoothly, now in 08' the Xbox 360 has been released, handling Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4, still it's component's specs are no match for ENTRY level cards of the 6th NVidia series.
Once again due to active optimization the Xbox has been able to construct a working game, that doesn't look too shabby.
Jump back to PC, we have the 9 series, a MID RANGE card the, the 9600 GT can match the specs of a stock 8800 GT, albeit slower, but that is besides the point, now it is the other way around, computer games are being developed for Xbox SIMULTANEOUSLY where as Xbox games are PORTED not developed in the making, but PORTED to PC.
That is a serious insult, the PC's latest developments should be a bloody flare aginst the Xbox 360's candle. When was 360 released? 2005
Less than a year later in 06 our good friends Nvidia come up with the 8 Series, first to come out? The still top dog on the market, the 8800 GS and its GT brothers, back then buying the card meant a 400$ + price tag.
Today we have such games like CoD 4, CnC 3, UT 3 and a host of other high end games.
The card released 2 years ago can still handle these games with change to spare.
I could go on and on, but the fact remains, publicly denying the PC of its gaming glory, is a grave insult, and the perpetrator should be dragged out onto the street and made an example of

  • 03.12.2008 12:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
The new cryengine2 can run well on a freakin $600 computer, that you are probably going to buy anyway, for doing work. So don't give me this bulls***. You don't need a "big bad computer" and spend $5000 on an alienware computer to get UT3 up and running.


Actually, that would be incorrect until this chipset:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3258

Despite what some guys on here may tell you guys, you do need a videocard to run a game. We had a huge argument about it earlier and a couple guys spewed a buncha BS about gaming being able to work without a Chipset, namely staticx. After software rendering died, you couldn't run a game without a chipset.

Thanks to intel flooding the market with incapable, mass-produced chipsets PC gaming has taken a huge hit. Even casual gamers couldn't get hooked. Intel provides the majority of graphics solutions in the world (incorporated into the motherboard of course) which means, righ off the bat, that half of all computers can't run high-end games.
But with this chipset from AMD it looks like if the big computer makers get their brains back in we can see a revival. UT3 Screenies ftw.

  • 03.12.2008 1:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: Recoton007
The new cryengine2 can run well on a freakin $600 computer, that you are probably going to buy anyway, for doing work. So don't give me this bulls***. You don't need a "big bad computer" and spend $5000 on an alienware computer to get UT3 up and running.


Actually, that would be incorrect until this chipset:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3258

Despite what some guys on here may tell you guys, you do need a videocard to run a game. We had a huge argument about it earlier and a couple guys spewed a buncha BS about gaming being able to work without a Chipset, namely staticx. After software rendering died, you couldn't run a game without a chipset.

Thanks to intel flooding the market with incapable, mass-produced chipsets PC gaming has taken a huge hit. Even casual gamers couldn't get hooked. Intel provides the majority of graphics solutions in the world (incorporated into the motherboard of course) which means, righ off the bat, that half of all computers can't run high-end games.
But with this chipset from AMD it looks like if the big computer makers get their brains back in we can see a revival. UT3 Screenies ftw.


Actually it is already the case:
http://kotaku.com/350097/cryengine-2-shown-on-ps3-360-at-gdc

"Frankfurt, Germany, Jan 29 - Crytek GmbH will demonstrate their multi award winning CryENGINE® 2 game development middleware and their Sandbox 2TM game editor again at this year's Game Developer Conference on February 18 - 22 in San Francisco. First publicly shown at last year's conference, and recently released as the technology underlying their critically acclaimed PC game, Crysis, this year's engine will be shown for the first time running on multiple hardware platforms such as the PS3 and Xbox 360, to a select audience. In addition, there will be a public demonstration showing how well the fully optimized engine can perform on a budget PC which can be put together for around 600 dollars complete, including keyboard and mouse. Visitors will be able to see for themselves the extremely high quality that can be achieved on relatively inexpensive consumer hardware today using the CryENGINE® 2."

Integrated videocards are not cutting it. This system has a dedicated card, and so should all gaming pcs.


Look at the argument this way:

You get a $1000 computer because your old one broke or something.

Now instead of buying a $500 xbox 360, you instead buy a $300 dedicated video card. You save $200 bucks, and get equal if not better quality gaming. Case closed, Epic Games is full of it.

  • 03.12.2008 2:25 PM PDT

The 360 is only $280 for the Arcade and $350 for the Premium

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Posted by: Anton P Nym
who says you have to be an ace to have fun?

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Stupid parents let their stupid children play games that are rated M when they should be playing Big Birds Spelling Adventures

Posted by: Kira Onime
Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.

Yep. And I believe only $400 for the Elite or the H3 one.

  • 03.12.2008 2:34 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Ryan, modern video games do need GPUs yes. But video games used to run on software rendering, not dedicated chip sets, so yes, Static was right.

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The 360 is only $280 for the Arcade and $350 for the Premium


For 286 bucks i get a Gainward 9600 GT golden sample, it makes a mockery out of the XBox 360's capability on its own >.>

  • 03.12.2008 9:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Ryan, modern video games do need GPUs yes. But video games used to run on software rendering, not dedicated chip sets, so yes, Static was right.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Despite what some guys on here may tell you guys, you do need a videocard to run a game. We had a huge argument about it earlier and a couple guys spewed a buncha BS about gaming being able to work without a Chipset, namely staticx. After software rendering died, you couldn't run a game without a chipset.

kk.

As for the 360 "argument" be sure to factor in 60 bucks a year for XBL, Microsoft points to buy mods and expansions instead of downloading them for free, and the extra 10 bucks per game you're going to spend. And don't mention the "arcade" SKU, please, for the love of god. You all know full and well that's not legit.

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Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Ryan, modern video games do need GPUs yes. But video games used to run on software rendering, not dedicated chip sets, so yes, Static was right.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Despite what some guys on here may tell you guys, you do need a videocard to run a game. We had a huge argument about it earlier and a couple guys spewed a buncha BS about gaming being able to work without a Chipset, namely staticx. After software rendering died, you couldn't run a game without a chipset.

kk.

As for the 360 "argument" be sure to factor in 60 bucks a year for XBL, Microsoft points to buy mods and expansions instead of downloading them for free, and the extra 10 bucks per game you're going to spend. And don't mention the "arcade" SKU, please, for the love of god. You all know full and well that's not legit.


On the PC market, but the Consoles are very readily available to be raped clean of money...

  • 03.13.2008 10:14 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Ryan, modern video games do need GPUs yes. But video games used to run on software rendering, not dedicated chip sets, so yes, Static was right.

Posted by: Ryanman7
Despite what some guys on here may tell you guys, you do need a videocard to run a game. We had a huge argument about it earlier and a couple guys spewed a buncha BS about gaming being able to work without a Chipset, namely staticx. After software rendering died, you couldn't run a game without a chipset.

kk.

As for the 360 "argument" be sure to factor in 60 bucks a year for XBL, Microsoft points to buy mods and expansions instead of downloading them for free, and the extra 10 bucks per game you're going to spend. And don't mention the "arcade" SKU, please, for the love of god. You all know full and well that's not legit.
You are running off the assumption that software rendering is completely dead, which is an incorrect assumption.

  • 03.14.2008 2:08 PM PDT