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Subject: And just when we thought Bungie betrayed us...

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Recoton007
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ANYONE on that god-forsaken inbred love child of Console and PC has done proper research, the Xbox is a mere conglomerate of older generation PC parts which couldn't hold a candle to any seriously made computer, Halo 3 is a game in my opinion, good, but ultimately made to suck every last dollar possible from a blind fan base, oblivious to the inferiority to a decent computer.


Nice observation. I think its interesting to point out that the whole "Games for Windows" scheme is an example how Microsoft, excuse me "M$", is attempting to reform the PC gaming experience, in order to cash in on gamers that are used to playing videogames online for free, but with the rise of Games for Windows Live, realize that M$ is going to do everything in their power to tap into this market. The PC is the best gaming console because of the freedom. By Microsoft placing limitations and additional costs everywhere, they are only hurting the industry and subsequently themselves.

BTW: the xbox 360 LOOKS like a computer tower, but runs like a broken heep of junk. DON'T release consoles that are statistically proven to break. My friend's 360 broke a few weeks ago, so the rrod hits close to home for me.


GFWL is horrendous. Thank God we have Steam. Most larger PC gaming companies have signed deals to release on Steam. GFWL is basically DOA. Everything M$ touches turns to sheet, just look at Bungie.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
GFWL is horrendous. Thank God we have Steam. Most larger PC gaming companies have signed deals to release on Steam. GFWL is basically DOA. Everything M$ touches turns to sheet, just look at Bungie.
I completely accede with your opinion.

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Posted by: DusK
RIDICULOUS. If a game is developed or patched for the OS, it's more optimized for gaming that any other OS ever released. Learn how the OS works before you bash it.

I completely agree with you that that should be the standard. However, unfortunately it is not. Vista, in its efforts to be just as flashy as Apple's Leopard OS, has become one of the most inefficient operating systems of all-time. While my computer seems to be running the OS bug-free, framerates are typically lowered by about 10-20%ish because of Aero.

Vista Service Pack 1 was supposed to turn the OS into one that could compete with XP SP 2, but so far, that is not the case. There are even some reports that the new SP1 slows down your computer. For me, the computer seems exactly the same since I installed the massive update, except now I can use a new option that can more precisely defragment my computer.

Posted by: Doug52392
Halo 3 was not a good game at all! ...generic games (like Gears of War, just a mediocre game dressed up with the uber Unreal Engine).


Um...besides the handful of crazies on the Halo 3 forum, who wonder why they don't have Naruto armor (or whatever else they complain about over there), it has been generally agreed that Halo 3 is a "good game" financially for Bungie, and fun for gamers too.

You could argue that the game came out at the wrong time though. The story would have won a game of the year award, but Bioshock earned that hands down. The game would have also won a lot more best goty awards, if it wasn't for Call of Duty 4 (which is better than halo 3 btw, sry). There is a reason why 2007 is refered to as the golden age of the fps, even in as early as 2008. The cram of fps games was just so massive, that decent games got crushed in the mix, and awesome games were overshadowed by the "really awesome" ones. I've played Halo 3 too. It was awesome, and I can't think of anything that can be improved in it. Unfortunately it just came out at the wrong time.

BTW gears of war rocks, I beat the game, and thought that the worst part of the game, was the end, where you realize that Gears of War 2 isn't coming out any time soon, and you still have a thirst for alien bug blood. Argh...

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  • 04.12.2008 5:25 AM PDT

Posted by: Frnksnbns
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Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
ANYONE on that god-forsaken inbred love child of Console and PC has done proper research, the Xbox is a mere conglomerate of older generation PC parts which couldn't hold a candle to any seriously made computer, Halo 3 is a game in my opinion, good, but ultimately made to suck every last dollar possible from a blind fan base, oblivious to the inferiority to a decent computer.


Nice observation. I think its interesting to point out that the whole "Games for Windows" scheme is an example how Microsoft, excuse me "M$", is attempting to reform the PC gaming experience, in order to cash in on gamers that are used to playing videogames online for free, but with the rise of Games for Windows Live, realize that M$ is going to do everything in their power to tap into this market. The PC is the best gaming console because of the freedom. By Microsoft placing limitations and additional costs everywhere, they are only hurting the industry and subsequently themselves.

BTW: the xbox 360 LOOKS like a computer tower, but runs like a broken heep of junk. DON'T release consoles that are statistically proven to break. My friend's 360 broke a few weeks ago, so the rrod hits close to home for me.


GFWL is horrendous. Thank God we have Steam. Most larger PC gaming companies have signed deals to release on Steam. GFWL is basically DOA. Everything M$ touches turns to sheet, just look at Bungie.
Agreed. GFWL was one of the worst things ever to happen to PC gaming. Thank God only what, 3 games (one of which was discontinued) ever used that piece of crap Live. When I look at GFWL or even Xbox Live, all I see is a cheap networking system designed to force users to fork over $ to play (Halo 2's nag screens that nag you to buy Live Gold, for example).

That's why I've committed to myself that I will NEVER pick up a game that bears the Live logo (I don't have an Xbox 360, thank God).

So Microsoft, if your planning to be cheap again and ruin Halo 3 for Windows 7 with Windows Live, I WILL NOT BUY IT!

And yes, Steam has to be one of the best online gaming programs ever. I've been using Steam because I just got Counter-Strike Source and HL2, and I must say, it's pretty sweet :)

Luckily, I doubt GFWL will go any further, I can't think of any company dumb enough to sign their game up to fail by using Live after what happened to Halo 2 PC and Shadowrun. GFWL will end up like Microsoft Bob, the laughingstock of Microsoft's failures... (However, a First Party Microsoft game made by Microsoft Game Studios could attempt to use Live, but I can't think of any game made directly by m$ I would ever want to buy)

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Heh well Age of emps was a nice game.
As for games, RTS is following the FPS trend as well.
CnC 3 much?
The PCs are still the most viable gaming platform of ANY and to say that the consoles beat a computer means you are as ignorant as the brainless zealots in the toxic pool that is the Halo 3 forums.
Or that you buy those -blam!- pre built comps with absolutely no ability to run decent games at all. Period.

  • 04.13.2008 7:16 AM PDT
Subject: Do you think that Bungie cares about it's Computer Gaming Fanbase?

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Bungie just doesn't like to realize that we are still here.

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Posted by: Burned Remains
Bungie just doesn't like to realize that we are still here.
Not only that, Halo was originally intended to be released on the PC, NOT the xbox.

  • 04.13.2008 11:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

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Posted by: Burned Remains
Bungie just doesn't like to realize that we are still here.
Not only that, Halo was originally intended to be released on the PC, NOT the xbox.


Well probably the Mac first. Halo made its first appearance at Macworld Expo '99. The orignal Bungie guys sold the rights to M$ for a number of rea$ons. They liked the Xbox platform, liked how M$ was going to pay top dollar, but also were dealing with a recall of Myth 2. Most of you aren't probably old enough to remember this, but it was legendary. Your entire harddrive would be erased! You can read a little about it at Wiki.

  • 04.14.2008 11:33 AM PDT
Subject: And just when we thought Bungie betrayed us...
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i disagree with all of you...i love halo 3
i own halo 3 and i love it....and my xbox had lasted over 4 months so far and consoles are not crap...yes there is a roumar of the so called "ring of death" for the xbox 360....those that don't know ring of death is a stage your console gets to before it brakes down and i hav had "ring of death and i had a warrenty so got a new xbox and that lasted over 4 months...so, i don't know y people say they only last a week.
your mate just didn't take care of his / her xbox 360 properly

  • 04.14.2008 12:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

^ I don't think anyone is really talking about Halo 3 for the 360 much in this thread, which makes sense since we are all PC gamers in this area.

Credit where credit is due though, M$ deserves praise for their excellent response to the 3ROD problem. There was like a 12-16 month window around late 2006 where M$ pretty much admitted that 100% of them would fail. Mine sure did. The repair program was well done however, and I got mine fixed free of charge (including shipping) despite being out of warranty.

Now if M$ and Bungie put that kind of effort into quality PC gaming, that would make me ever more happy.

[Edited on 04.14.2008 2:50 PM PDT]

  • 04.14.2008 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
Credit where credit is due though, M$ deserves praise for their excellent response to the 3ROD problem. There was like a 12-16 month window around late 2006 where M$ pretty much admitted that 100% of them would fail. Mine sure did. The repair program was well done however, and I got mine fixed free of charge (including shipping) despite being out of warranty.

I disagree. M$ should not be praised for cleaning up its own mess. They did no less or more than exactly what was expected. They -blam!- with manufacturing the 360's, and had to pay the consequences of their failure. Any company would be expected to replace a product no-longer functioning due to a design flaw on the part of the manufacturer, wether in warranty or no. For some you may have to work a little to get your replacement, but you will at the end. All M$ did was own up to their failure without being bullied into it (to my knowledge).
If M$ was a quality company that truly deserved praise there would be no issues at all. Well, certainly at least not on the scale of the ROD.

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Posted by: RobJohnB95
i disagree with all of you...i love halo 3
i own halo 3 and i love it....and my xbox had lasted over 4 months so far and consoles are not crap...yes there is a roumar of the so called "ring of death" for the xbox 360....those that don't know ring of death is a stage your console gets to before it brakes down and i hav had "ring of death and i had a warrenty so got a new xbox and that lasted over 4 months...so, i don't know y people say they only last a week.
your mate just didn't take care of his / her xbox 360 properly


Ack the lack of grammar in this post is typical really.
As for his argument im pretty sure this is about Bungie not caring for the PC fanbase not whether or not Xbox warranty covers the breakdowns in that crap console or not...

  • 04.14.2008 6:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

yeah, sorry to go off topic:

Now that Bungie is independent again, lets hope they focus on PC gaming too again. It's not like the Xbox platforms are all that different from the M$ operating systems... I would like to see them hit the ball out of the park with Halo 3 on PC, but I'm also not getting my hopes up. I think Halo is kinda dead on the PC platform. H2v was not a good effort. The promise of cross platform, and then going back on this was a huge letdown IMO.

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I don't know if this was posted before me but I don't feel like looking through 400 messages.

Bungie does know there is a Halo PC at least if you listened to the most recent Podcast they mentioned how the Xbox version had a 1 way tele in Sidewinder while HPC had a 2 way.

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Posted by: RobJohnB95
i disagree with all of you...i love halo 3
i own halo 3 and i love it....and my xbox had lasted over 4 months so far and consoles are not crap...yes there is a roumar of the so called "ring of death" for the xbox 360....


well, first off, let me quash THAT BS. that "roumar" is quite true. happend to me in fact last week. And I'm not alone. Does greater than 33% ring a bell? yeah. That's the hardware failure rate for Xboxes from M$'s statistics. And not all of those were from people who covered their "box" with a heat blanket either, if you're going to try to blame it on neglect.

And I saw someone saying how awesome steam is. I dunno how long you've used the program but Steam used to BLOW lol. Now it's got GFWL and XBL by the neck, but when HL2 came out it was a god awful mess. Lets not count steam up as a victory until the last year or so lol.

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Hell, I still can't stand Steam. Since the updates of a little over a year ago, my Source games run slow as hell.

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Posted by: Ryanman7
[quote]Posted by: RobJohnB95
And I saw someone saying how awesome steam is. I dunno how long you've used the program but Steam used to BLOW lol. Now it's got GFWL and XBL by the neck, but when HL2 came out it was a god awful mess. Lets not count steam up as a victory until the last year or so lol.

Well everything takes time to develop, however there is a difference between a graphics engine and a online system developed by microsoft with really only one concept and cause behind it, making money. I haven't followed this thread so pardon me if I'm wrong, but those trying to relate GFWL and Steam are far off. Different concepts, and surly different life spans.

  • 04.18.2008 10:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: DusK
Okay, Doug, usually I don't do this, but your post just pissed me off with its stupidity.

Posted by: Doug52392
Microsoft released Vista, the WORST OS to ever try to game on...

Vista + PC game == disaster, nothing much to say there...

RIDICULOUS. If a game is developed or patched for the OS, it's more optimized for gaming that any other OS ever released. Learn how the OS works before you bash it.


Posted by: Doug52392
Halo 3 was not a good game at all! ...

...generic games (like Gears of War, just a mediocre game dressed up with the uber Unreal Engine).

I'm sorry if you can't recognize good games when you see them, but just because you suck at them is no reason to bash them. BTW, that "mediocre game dressed up with the uber Unreal Engine" was created by the greatest UT mapper of all time; Cliffy B. Show some respect, scrub.

Posted by: Doug52392
And then theres Halo 3... fail. Since they targeted 10 year olds, and the 10 year olds came, they destroyed the Halo community. Those kids just throw tempertantrum after tempertautrum... Then theres DLC. Even more of a scam! $10 for 3 stupid maps? WTF?

Once again, you obviously don't see a good game when it's slammed in your face. There are countermeasures to those whiny 10-year-olds; A handy mute feature and a player review system to ensure you don't play with those whiny 10-year-olds again. Not only that, but the DLC is priced as such because those aren't some 3rd party crap like you'd find with UT, CS, or similar games; The DLC maps are created by Bungie themselves, and nobody knows their game better than they do, so it's gonna be quality work that's worth forking over some cash for, if you want it early. They always go free eventually.

Posted by: Doug52392
Plus, PC makers don't exactly help the situation. Most regular PCs have Intel graphics cards in them (which CAN NOT RUN ANYTHING), so you literally can't play games! Dell used to offer customization, but now they're taking that out (and I checked their "prebuilt" computers, 2 out of the 3, and even the so-called "performance computers" can not run ANY GAMES).

So you're blaming Microsoft for the fact that you can't find a PC powerful enough to run cutting-edge PC games, but the reality is that YOU'RE to blame for your obvious lack of the technical knowledge required to build or buy a gaming PC. You might look like less of a dumbass if you don't get pissed off at Microsoft and Bungie just because you suck at everything +1.
Dude, DusK, you just epically won. Wow, just wow. You don't see this type of ass ownage every day. Well, you used to in The Maw, but that is just a fading memory now...

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Doug, I would diagnose you with Idiot C, fortunately unlike Idiot A there is a cure. That cure being DusK and several other people. Keep showing the symptoms of Idiot C to them and they might eventually cure you Congratulations.

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Posted by: Beowul7
Dude, DusK, you just epically won. Wow, just wow. You don't see this type of ass ownage every day. Well, you used to in The Maw, but that is just a fading memory now...[/quote]

He didn't “win” entirely. Though I somewhat agree with most of his statements, his argument is not entirely accurate.

Posted by: DusK
Okay, Doug, usually I don't do this, but your post just pissed me off with its stupidity.

Posted by: Doug52392
Microsoft released Vista, the WORST OS to ever try to game on...

Vista + PC game == disaster, nothing much to say there...[/quote]
RIDICULOUS. If a game is developed or patched for the OS, it's more optimized for gaming that any other OS ever released. Learn how the OS works before you bash it.[/quote]

That is entirely wrong. In your words, you should “Learn how the OS works” before you support it. Vista is one of the most graphically demanding and inefficient operating systems of all time. If you look at games like Crysis that are “optimized” for the Windows Vista operating system, the game runs about 10% faster on Windows XP, than it would on Vista. This is NOT because of directx10, but because Vista hurts game performance. VistaSP1 doesn’t help this problem at all, for those who are running to it for help. However, XPSP3, coming out later this April, should help performance some for XP owners.


Posted by: Doug52392
Halo 3 was not a good game at all! ...

...generic games (like Gears of War, just a mediocre game dressed up with the uber Unreal Engine).

I'm sorry if you can't recognize good games when you see them, but just because you suck at them is no reason to bash them. BTW, that "mediocre game dressed up with the uber Unreal Engine" was created by the greatest UT mapper of all time; Cliffy B. Show some respect, scrub.


Gears of War is generally underappreciated by those who have not played it. If I wanted to, I could argue that a mediocre game dressed up in the “uber Unreal Engine” is America’s Army, but that is a bit of a stretch, as their technology has minimal bump-mapping, an aspect that has now shined with the next-gen UE games. Even with the Unreal Engine, AA still sucks some…Games are more about the engines that power them. Games are about the whole package.

Posted by: Doug52392
And then theres Halo 3... fail. Since they targeted 10 year olds, and the 10 year olds came, they destroyed the Halo community. Those kids just throw tempertantrum after tempertautrum... Then theres DLC. Even more of a scam! $10 for 3 stupid maps? WTF?

Once again, you obviously don't see a good game when it's slammed in your face. There are countermeasures to those whiny 10-year-olds; A handy mute feature and a player review system to ensure you don't play with those whiny 10-year-olds again. Not only that, but the DLC is priced as such because those aren't some 3rd party crap like you'd find with UT, CS, or similar games; The DLC maps are created by Bungie themselves, and nobody knows their game better than they do, so it's gonna be quality work that's worth forking over some cash for, if you want it early. They always go free eventually.


IMHO, the DLC pack should be free. Then again, I am a gamer, and bonus maps and updates are expected to be free. However, because the PC “console” has received so much attention as of late because of GFW and other programs that want to suck gamers of their money, expect for your entire online gameplay to be cut off, unless you have GFWL Gold, or a Mac…

Posted by: Doug52392
Plus, PC makers don't exactly help the situation. Most regular PCs have Intel graphics cards in them (which CAN NOT RUN ANYTHING), so you literally can't play games! Dell used to offer customization, but now they're taking that out (and I checked their "prebuilt" computers, 2 out of the 3, and even the so-called "performance computers" can not run ANY GAMES).

So you're blaming Microsoft for the fact that you can't find a PC powerful enough to run cutting-edge PC games, but the reality is that YOU'RE to blame for your obvious lack of the technical knowledge required to build or buy a gaming PC. You might look like less of a dumbass if you don't get pissed off at Microsoft and Bungie just because you suck at everything +1.


It’s not just that Gaming PCs are expensive, but also that people do not know how to make computers that can play games well. Should I get a Nvidia 8400 gt oc or an ATI x50millionthousand 512mb special noob edition. There is no clean cut system that says, if you get this graphics card, it will run these games. The console saves a lot more stress because you know that you will be able to play EVERY game. Assuming you don’t rrod.

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Wow, this forum does not seem to be coded properly. Why does my post look like a giant blob with my comments stuck in the quote?

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Posted by: Recoton007
Wow, this forum does not seem to be coded properly. Why does my post look like a giant blob with my comments stuck in the quote?


Yeah i had that
Works again now.

Also on the above posts
Doug just got whacked, bad i hope he constructs his posts a bit better in later times

  • 04.19.2008 6:54 AM PDT
Subject: Do you think that Bungie cares about it's PC Fanbase?
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they care but its not whats hot. halo 3 is what is hot and tens of thousands of people are playing it daily and i'm sure not that many people are playing halo 2 pc or halo 1 pc

  • 04.19.2008 9:10 AM PDT
Subject: And just when we thought Bungie betrayed us...
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Posted by: Recoton007
It’s not just that Gaming PCs are expensive, but also that people do not know how to make computers that can play games well. Should I get a Nvidia 8400 gt oc or an ATI x50millionthousand 512mb special noob edition. There is no clean cut system that says, if you get this graphics card, it will run these games. The console saves a lot more stress because you know that you will be able to play EVERY game. Assuming you don’t rrod.


Recoton... you're wrong man. Straight up. I don't know where you've been, but you can get a PC that runs ANYTHING at greater than HD resolutions and absurd framerates for under a grand. Expensive? Not in my mind, considering you can do EVERYTHING on said PC including gaming.
There ARE clean cut systems. An 8800GT will run anything on the market, bar none. I have a suspicion that you've never built your own system, nor know very much about hardware. Of course an 8400 isn't the best! it's an entry level card aimed at HTPC users or those who don't have enough money to go for the value segment. Unfortunately for your argument, it will still run ANYTHING. Wether it runs it well or not is a different story entirely but it will do it.
There are a lot of things that make console gaming stressful, in my humble opinion. 60 dollar games? No open source software? inferior control scheme? a terrible community? inferior graphics? and of course, like you said, the RROD but to be fair MS does a decent job of repairing those systems. I've never had hardware fail on my PC but I might be lucky.

Sure I have to deal with drivers. But at least I get to choose my own experience while gaming, and I get free content everywhere. I could go on for years but your post is ignorant, in summary.

Posted by: No Refunds
Well everything takes time to develop, however there is a difference between a graphics engine and a online system developed by microsoft with really only one concept and cause behind it, making money. I haven't followed this thread so pardon me if I'm wrong, but those trying to relate GFWL and Steam are far off. Different concepts, and surly different life spans.


Actually, you are wrong : ( SOURCE is a graphics engine, used by Valve to make their games. Steam is simply a anti-piracy and distribution service. It's exactly like GFWL except you can buy games if you so desire. And of course it's better. I used to get them mixed up too.

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  • 04.19.2008 12:02 PM PDT
Subject: Do you think that Bungie cares about it's Computer Gaming Fanbase?
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