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Subject: And just when we thought Bungie betrayed us...
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Posted by: Recoton007
It’s not just that Gaming PCs are expensive, but also that people do not know how to make computers that can play games well. Should I get a Nvidia 8400 gt oc or an ATI x50millionthousand 512mb special noob edition. There is no clean cut system that says, if you get this graphics card, it will run these games. The console saves a lot more stress because you know that you will be able to play EVERY game. Assuming you don’t rrod.


Recoton... you're wrong man. Straight up. I don't know where you've been, but you can get a PC that runs ANYTHING at greater than HD resolutions and absurd framerates for under a grand. Expensive? Not in my mind, considering you can do EVERYTHING on said PC including gaming.
There ARE clean cut systems. An 8800GT will run anything on the market, bar none. I have a suspicion that you've never built your own system, nor know very much about hardware. Of course an 8400 isn't the best! it's an entry level card aimed at HTPC users or those who don't have enough money to go for the value segment. Unfortunately for your argument, it will still run ANYTHING. Wether it runs it well or not is a different story entirely but it will do it.
There are a lot of things that make console gaming stressful, in my humble opinion. 60 dollar games? No open source software? inferior control scheme? a terrible community? inferior graphics? and of course, like you said, the RROD but to be fair MS does a decent job of repairing those systems. I've never had hardware fail on my PC but I might be lucky.

Sure I have to deal with drivers. But at least I get to choose my own experience while gaming, and I get free content everywhere. I could go on for years but your post is ignorant, in summary.


You misunderstand my comment. There is no doubt that you can get a decent gaming machine for under a grand. Crytek showed off a $700 computer that could run Crysis on high settings, and that was a while ago. When I named the 8400, I was not referring to it, so much as I was referring to the arbitrary numbering system. For example, to an outsider who is unfamiliar with graphics card specs, the title 8800 GT OC would seem just as confusing as a bunch of random numbers thrown together. Average consumers do not have the time or patience to try and understand the specs of a graphics card. Buying a xbox360, ps3, or n64 simplifies the process by assuring that the game will work on your console. Also, the game is designed for the console it is made for, so there will be no problems like "your graphics card does not support this game because of so and so." If you want an actual case of this, take the average graphics chip the Intel GMA X300. It is incompatible with half of the games out there, including TES4: Oblivion and COD2+4.

To clarify my own background, I have had all sorts of graphics cards and chips, and I know the satisfaction on the consoles, of knowing that you will not have to fuss with any settings to make the game run smoothly. Nevertheless I prefer the PC, because the same freedom which you like.

Let me also add that you seem completely ignorant of Starforce, which is a perfect example of PC gaming gone horribly wrong. Starforce, in case you don't know, is the crappiest CD protection program in existence, and became progressively worse as piracy on the PC became more and more of a problem. The Starforce protection program is now so bad, that everyone (game developers) refuses to use it, and those who do are boycotted. When Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory used the software, it became completely incompatible with Windows Vista, which left me with a game that was completely useless. The PC is plagued with all sorts of problems, which makes the console constantly tempting. Assuming the console does not have a rrod, the console is the most stable and stress-free choice, which was the purpose of my excerpt.

[Edited on 04.20.2008 3:21 PM PDT]

  • 04.20.2008 3:21 PM PDT
Subject: Do you think that Bungie cares about it's Computer Gaming Fanbase?
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Which 49 idiots voted "yes"?

  • 04.21.2008 11:55 AM PDT

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IF THEY DID CARE, THEN THEY'D MAKE A MORE DIRECT FORUM TO THE PC FORUM

  • 04.21.2008 1:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: EXTREME BSTL
IF THEY DID CARE, THEN THEY'D MAKE A MORE DIRECT FORUM TO THE PC FORUM


your capz are not appreciated

As for starforce... I have no frame of reference to deal with. The most restrictive copy protection I have dealt with so far was Bioshock's. I heard about it beforehand (and made a mental note not to purchase any more games from Irrational/2K with such protection in the future) but bought it anyway. It was minimally invasive but I still considered it an insult, especially since i've never stolen any game. Steam was, as we spoke earlier, terribad to start.
And you know what? we have to do something to fight it. For example, I purchased Sins of a Solar Empire with NO copy protection whatsoever. It was a kickass game and not having to jump through flaming hoops rocked. I agree with you in that it's a significant problem, but the only way to fix it is to have affirmative action by the community.

  • 04.21.2008 4:22 PM PDT
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I just want to point out to Reco that there really are some good games that are worth owning an Xbox.

  • 04.21.2008 5:11 PM PDT
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Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: EXTREME BSTL
IF THEY DID CARE, THEN THEY'D MAKE A MORE DIRECT FORUM TO THE PC FORUM

Maybe they just know that us PC users are smart enough to navigate a few menus without trouble.

  • 04.21.2008 7:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Which 49 idiots voted "yes"?


Lol, I think the more appropriate question is "Who were the 20 idiots who abstained?"

Posted by: Ryanman7
As for starforce... I have no frame of reference to deal with. The most restrictive copy protection I have dealt with so far was Bioshock's. I heard about it beforehand (and made a mental note not to purchase any more games from Irrational/2K with such protection in the future) but bought it anyway. It was minimally invasive but I still considered it an insult, especially since i've never stolen any game. Steam was, as we spoke earlier, terribad to start.
And you know what? we have to do something to fight it. For example, I purchased Sins of a Solar Empire with NO copy protection whatsoever. It was a kickass game and not having to jump through flaming hoops rocked. I agree with you in that it's a significant problem, but the only way to fix it is to have affirmative action by the community.


Oh yes. I agree with you that Bioshock's protection software was bad. It placed some limit saying that it could only be installed 3 times, or on 3 computers, or something of that nature. It sometimes didn't even work during installation. I managed to get it working, and experience Andrew Ryan's Rapture, which is a MUST BUY for all pc/console gamers. Long story short regarding starforce, it's copy protection gone horribly wrong.

I really appreciate Steam though, and think the concept behind it is marvelous. Though the follow through is plagued with errors and bugs, and of course the requirement of an internet connection in order to play a game, the overall product is very effective as serving as a game organizer and distribution system. EA copied the system when they came out with the "EA Link" distribution system, proving that Steam succeeded in getting developers aware of online distribution. If developers are concerned about piracy, I think the best tactic to avoid such a thing is to increase online distribution.

Few of us here probably remember "The Phantom" console from a couple E3s ago, which was supposed to be a new console with completely downloadable games, however it was scrapped before final release. I believe that despite early failure, that expansion in online distribution will occur in the near future. Just look at the xbox marketplace and direct2drive systems, and we can see major growth in online distribution. If piracy is the reason for avoiding the PC, its time to revolutionize distribution tactics rather than leaving an unsaturated pc gaming market of Halo hungry fans. Bungie, GIVE US HALO 3, or at least some indication that something is in the works. ARGH!!!

(Because there is no Halo 3, and H2V sucks, I've been reduced to playing Flatout 2, which is actually a surprisingly entertaining game.)


Posted by: # TUI_Obi_Wan
I just want to point out to Reco that there really are some good games that are worth owning an Xbox.


Hells yeah. Mass Effect, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed (disputably good), DOA, and Forza to name just a few good ones, not to mention GTA IV coming early next week. The main problem I see is the rrod and the insane $60 price tag, which are major setbacks. The main reason why I don't have an xbox (and why I leech off my neighbor's instead) is because every game that I would ever want is coming to the PC eventually. Because I don't have enough money for both an awesome PC and an Xbox 360, I only have a PC. Starcraft 2 is coming out soon, and will certainly not be ported to the console (unless they are retarded), so I'd rather have freedom and compatibility on the PC, rather than stress-free gaming on the Wii60. My neighbor has a 360, and my friend has a Wii. All I need now is a friend with a PS3 and I'll have cross-console PC awesomeness, as well as money in my pocket.

  • 04.21.2008 7:08 PM PDT
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Why Xbox is the worst possible way to game:
1. First and foremost, just like fresh piss it is sterile fresh, then the little bacteria get in it and suddenly it is a cesspool full of disgustingly dirty mouthed kids.
2. HORRIBLE tech support, i mean seriously how many people complain that M$ doesn't return the favor for the purchase?
3. Games that are over advertised, they all boast about something revolutionary then they don't deliver!!! Of course there are good games, but when you talk about something you have to FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT PROMISE DAMMIT!!!
4. Cocky bastards who wave the selling points for that piece of Gou Se (Dog shat) they call a console.
5. Above statement, its a crappy piece of hardware! Anyone who has done any research on decent computer parts would know its easy to make something for a budget that does infinitely better.

Is it the PC's fault someone isn't smart enough to research what parts offer the best bang for buck? NO!
So why must a PC gamer pay for some idiot's mental short comings? WHY?!

  • 04.22.2008 2:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
Few of us here probably remember "The Phantom" console from a couple E3s ago, which was supposed to be a new console with completely downloadable games, however it was scrapped before final release. I believe that despite early failure, that expansion in online distribution will occur in the near future. Just look at the xbox marketplace and direct2drive systems, and we can see major growth in online distribution. If piracy is the reason for avoiding the PC, its time to revolutionize distribution tactics rather than leaving an unsaturated pc gaming market of Halo hungry fans. Bungie, GIVE US HALO 3, or at least some indication that something is in the works. ARGH!!!


Funny fact... the Phantom was actually a hugely elaborate scam brought together by the same guy who brought down WorldCom. Look it up ; ) I think IGN or Gamespy did a huge expose on the console.

Edit: Oop! a rare proof of my statements. Here it is. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTEy

[Edited on 04.22.2008 3:06 PM PDT]

  • 04.22.2008 2:56 PM PDT
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just go play Halo 3, its 2008 halo 2 is old

  • 04.22.2008 4:15 PM PDT
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I would say.....if there was such overwhelming care (or a real demand), bungie would FIND a way to provide multi-player support between both PC and Console versions of Halo 2. Sometimes I go back and play Halo 2 and, I find myself very surprised at how many dedicated players still play. This would surely increase with the release of Halo3 for the PC.

  • 04.22.2008 5:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: x 413Josh x
just go play Halo 3, its 2008 halo 2 is old


Once again my faith in humanity's intelligence has been tarnished, why oh god why?
Why the hell did evolution have to make some people who are dedicated to be stupid?
WHY?!
Now you sir, sorry not sir, little child, have no regard for the reputation of the PC gaming community.
Please remove yourself from this forum in the most silent manner possible to retain your dignity, what little there is...

  • 04.23.2008 4:38 AM PDT

Wow, this thread is still going...

  • 04.25.2008 1:13 AM PDT
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Point being?

  • 04.25.2008 3:18 AM PDT
Subject: And just when we thought Bungie betrayed us...
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It's pretty obvious they couldn't give two -blam!-s about PC gamers. Who cares, move on let it die. If it bugs you that much then stop coming here and don't buy their games, don't just -blam!- about it.

  • 04.25.2008 2:18 PM PDT
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Thats not the point here, the point is they claim to very like their fan base. PC Community is being treated like rotting dog entrails, this is not about keeping up, this is about Bungie's blindness to the potential in PC Gaming. This is about whether Bungie really are looking to make great games like they always claim, or do they merely want to squeeze every dollar out of you possible, glossing over the old features and keep adding some shiny new content to keep ignorant gamers like new420 here paying!
The claim that Bungie cares is absurd, the fact that PC forums were stripped of it's name and then tossed aside into another tab! Moving on and letting the matter die is not an option because everyone here respects that Bungie's games are good, and the only reason we ask these questions is because we WANT to play those games, because it IS a good franchise, but to us the way those who are lauding the Xbox as the new way of gaming is in no way true, those claims are outrageous and we seek recognition as the superior gaming platform. Practicality and viability are two different things like Validity and reliability, there is nothing that a PC can't do that a console can. The only reason ANYONE would take an Xbox over a PC is because they did not buy themselves a proper gaming rig, the so called solutions provided by companies like Dell are NOT designed for gaming, they are lack luster and they are NOT made to game well.
ANYONE who claims a PC is not a viable gaming platform is more than stupid, they deserve to join the ranks of childish nuisances on the couch becoming fatter and fatter every year.

  • 04.26.2008 1:31 AM PDT

HALO:
IT ISNT CHOPPY ENOUGH
IT ISNT DAKKA ENOUGH

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$800 for a decent graphics card 90% guaranteed for games in the next 6 months, at 12 months its 30% guaranteed

xbox 360, $700, good for 2 years of gaming with no worries on "oh no, i dont think i can run TF3" my XXX needs an additional $300 spent on it)

  • 04.26.2008 4:18 AM PDT
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$800 for a decent graphics card 90% guaranteed for games in the next 6 months, at 12 months its 30% guaranteed

xbox 360, $700, good for 2 years of gaming with no worries on "oh no, i dont think i can run TF3" my XXX needs an additional $300 spent on it)
1900 x 1200, 16x AF, 4x AA, 100+ FPS > Xbox 360.

I hate these damned quote boxes, you can't see crap. Each subsequent Bungie.net website design gets worse and worse.

[Edited on 04.26.2008 4:22 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2008 4:21 AM PDT
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Of course PC parts obsolete easy you mentally degenerative.
PC games are cutting edge, an Xbox will last longer because developers DONT push limits, they merely design games for the crappy capabilities of that consoles.

  • 04.26.2008 6:58 AM PDT

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I'm there but, man this is really starting to sound like communism.
Long live the MAW.

Posted by: Xysterial
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$800 for a decent graphics card 90% guaranteed for games in the next 6 months, at 12 months its 30% guaranteed

xbox 360, $700, good for 2 years of gaming with no worries on "oh no, i dont think i can run TF3" my XXX needs an additional $300 spent on it)


$800 for a graphics card?

Ignorance is often hilarous. GeForce 8800 GTS can run every mostly every game on highest settings. A few exceptions such as crysis maybe.
Hell, my GeForce 8500 (512) runs almost everything I throw at it, and it's below $90. oh, and it's even direct X 10 enabled, something Xbox won't have for years, if ever.
Geforce 8500

  • 04.26.2008 7:54 AM PDT
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let's keep it realistic here. 80 bucks is not going to get you the videocard you want. To make it fair, the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT OC is widely considered to be the PC's equivalent to the Xbox 360. It's price is approximately $200-$220 bucks, maybe even $180 if you know where to look.

We also must consider that Microsoft loses something like $300 in profits for each xbox sold. Obviously, they expect that game sales, and xbox live subscriptions should more than make up the difference, and eventually churn out a profit.

If you want to run every game as it would run on the consoles, the 8800gtoc is your best bet. You have to remember that PC graphics actually improve over time thanks to technological advances, while console graphics only improve through their efficiency with the same hardware.

  • 04.26.2008 9:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
We also must consider that Microsoft loses something like $300 in profits for each xbox sold. Obviously, they expect that game sales, and xbox live subscriptions should more than make up the difference, and eventually churn out a profit.


I actually think that the gaming division of MS started making money on hardware around a year ago. They MAKE around 150 now in profit, at least on the elite.

As for the VC question, I'd say an x1900 is similar to the graphics chip in the 360. An 8800 GT is probably over it. As for the ridiculous assumption that an 800 dollar graphics card (which doesn't exist, by the way) only lasts three months, GTFO. The only reason people complain about hardware advances is because it's psychologically unpleasant. Nothing like spending your cash on the best and have it be NOT the best 8 months later. But is it still awesome? hellz yes.

  • 04.26.2008 1:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
We also must consider that Microsoft loses something like $300 in profits for each xbox sold. Obviously, they expect that game sales, and xbox live subscriptions should more than make up the difference, and eventually churn out a profit.


I actually think that the gaming division of MS started making money on hardware around a year ago. They MAKE around 150 now in profit, at least on the elite.

As for the VC question, I'd say an x1900 is similar to the graphics chip in the 360. An 8800 GT is probably over it. As for the ridiculous assumption that an 800 dollar graphics card (which doesn't exist, by the way) only lasts three months, GTFO. The only reason people complain about hardware advances is because it's psychologically unpleasant. Nothing like spending your cash on the best and have it be NOT the best 8 months later. But is it still awesome? hellz yes.


Here here im taking my 9600 til lthe day it dies or there comes some new revolutionary hardware that will do the job better, fact is functionality over looks.
People like Xbox because it takes longer to advance while the PC technology is advancing by the day, People brag that an Xbox is longer lasting are all wackos and are clearly not burdened with an over abundance of schooling. Honestly its not PC gaming thats dying, its Micro$oft killing the artistic side of gaming, M$ and several other developers are clearly All about the cash, not the games.

  • 04.27.2008 12:44 AM PDT
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or do they merely want to squeeze every dollar out of you possible, glossing over the old features and keep adding some shiny new content to keep ignorant gamers like new420 here paying!

You don't know me kid, shut up and stop trying to sound smart.

If you don't like the way a company treats it's customers, don't give them your money, don't give them your time. Look at it this way. You have a super model girl friend, who only has sex with you once a year. All you do is -blam!- all year long about how you don't get any and how mad you are, but when she wants to have her annual sex you're all for it. Do you really think she gives a -blam!- about your -blam!-ing when she has her way with you?

  • 04.27.2008 2:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: new420
Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
or do they merely want to squeeze every dollar out of you possible, glossing over the old features and keep adding some shiny new content to keep ignorant gamers like new420 here paying!

You don't know me kid, shut up and stop trying to sound smart.

r in between posts from Forum Mods there is no sign that the brass of Bungie acknowledgeIf you don't like the way a company treats it's customers, don't give them your money, don't give them your time. Look at it this way. You have a super model girl friend, who only has sex with you once a year. All you do is -blam!- all year long about how you don't get any and how mad you are, but when she wants to have her annual sex you're all for it. Do you really think she gives a -blam!- about your -blam!-ing when she has her way with you?


I don't know you, i don't need to, I only reply in my tone based on your arguments.
Call me what ever you want, but the fact remains you are driving on just because i imply that Bungie doesn't make games to try new things, you are raving at me because i say that the company that you so much understand doesn't really care about those who pay for their products. I like to play Halo, but that by no means makes me like the company that made it, just because something is good doesn't mean i have to like the person who made it, now please stop posting obscenities which does not prove any point, but merely reflects on your own life.
Boycotts don't matter for an individual, i am not some spoiled idiot who somehow managed to cobble together a working brain from crap, i understand that business runs on the majority, not the minority. I understand Bungie goes where the money is, but i also abhor their claims on care for their fanbases PC or consoles, those claims are ill founded because they follow the majority over minority mentality on matters regarding their products flying straight in the face of their so advertised good Player relations. I understand Frankie and the like don't have time to go around every where, but save for little and far posts by Forum mods there is little to indicate actual regard to the PC community!
THATS what i argue, my use of you as an example is merely based upon your posts, using that analogy also is very ironic, after all I'm just a kid acting smart. Why? Would i understand what your talking about?
Please read the whole of my posts before launching a flame designed like an alcohol induced slur.

  • 04.27.2008 4:29 AM PDT