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Subject: Do you think that Bungie cares about it's PC Fanbase?

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Great explanation UXB, and nice analogies.

  • 10.15.2007 1:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: n357
I'd like to add that one of the Ninjas promised we'd find out what happened to the official Bungie Halo PC servers, and they never informed us. I'm guessing they're all Halo 2 Vista servers now. Nice of them to tell us.


Yes, I remember that as well. Pretty shameful IMO.

  • 10.15.2007 2:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: UXB
People here are badmouthing Bungie because they don’t develop games for the PC platform which is sort of like badmouthing Mercedes Benz for not manufacturing BMW’s. I have no doubt that the people at Bungie care about the PC gamers but due to the resources available and their focus on the Xbox platform – the platform they have been successful with - they are unable to dedicate resources to develop for the PC in conjunction with their Xbox development. They do after all have to run a business, pay salaries and ultimately generate the revenue required to create new and better games.


I don't quite see how that analogy is applicable in this situation, but to stick with the car analogy, it's more like BMW stopped making parts for the BMW 2002 model even though thousands of people still owned the car, and were willing to fix their cars instead of buying new ones. Bungie would obviously be BMW in this case, with the halo series being the car parts, and we being the vintage car owners.

In starting this thread, I firmly believed, and still do believe, that Bungie was afraid that it could not grow larger in both size and legitimacy, without "piggy-backing" on the horse that is Microsoft. In their attempt to expand, they sold themselves out, transfering their true administrative control to Microsoft and its Xbox. In their doing of this, they betrayed not only Mac fans, but also PC fans as well.

So the question is four-fold:
"If you agree that Bungie has abandoned the PC gamers, at which point did they start to do so?"
"Do you think that the ports were really Bungie, filling in the demand for Halo on the PC, or was it just n effort to collect money from an untapped source?
"If you disagree with the subject in question, why do you think so?
and finally "With Bungie separating (legally) from Microsoft, do you believe that they will finally turn their attention to the PC audience?"

With Bungie separating from Microsoft, this thread is now open to the future, and while we wait for Bungie's word on what projects it will confront next, we can only sit back in our chairs and couches, not expecting anything more than they have offered in the past, but always holding on to that grain of sand, that is hope...

  • 10.15.2007 3:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
Posted by: UXB
People here are badmouthing Bungie because they don’t develop games for the PC platform which is sort of like badmouthing Mercedes Benz for not manufacturing BMW’s. I have no doubt that the people at Bungie care about the PC gamers but due to the resources available and their focus on the Xbox platform – the platform they have been successful with - they are unable to dedicate resources to develop for the PC in conjunction with their Xbox development. They do after all have to run a business, pay salaries and ultimately generate the revenue required to create new and better games.


I don't quite see how that analogy is applicable in this situation, but to stick with the car analogy, it's more like BMW stopped making parts for the BMW 2002 model even though thousands of people still owned the car, and were willing to fix their cars instead of buying new ones. Bungie would obviously be BMW in this case, with the halo series being the car parts, and we being the vintage car owners.

In starting this thread, I firmly believed, and still do believe, that Bungie was afraid that it could not grow larger in both size and legitimacy, without "piggy-backing" on the horse that is Microsoft. In their attempt to expand, they sold themselves out, transfering their true administrative control to Microsoft and its Xbox. In their doing of this, they betrayed not only Mac fans, but also PC fans as well.

So the question is four-fold:
"If you agree that Bungie has abandoned the PC gamers, at which point did they start to do so?"
"Do you think that the ports were really Bungie, filling in the demand for Halo on the PC, or was it just n effort to collect money from an untapped source?
"If you disagree with the subject in question, why do you think so?
and finally "With Bungie separating (legally) from Microsoft, do you believe that they will finally turn their attention to the PC audience?"

With Bungie separating from Microsoft, this thread is now open to the future, and while we wait for Bungie's word on what projects it will confront next, we can only sit back in our chairs and couches, not expecting anything more than they have offered in the past, but always holding on to that grain of sand, that is hope...

spot on...spot on! The greed must stop! I'm sure bungie has heard all this before, and maybe now that micro$uck decided to p1ss off, maybe we'll be ok...or maybe bungie is too concerned in lining their pockets as well..

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  • 10.15.2007 7:20 PM PDT
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It's kind of pathetic how everyone assumes that Microsoft is an evil greedy Satan and that Bungie is nice and loves all of us but was corrupted by Microsoft. They're companies, they're here to make money.

  • 10.16.2007 7:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: POOR DUMB KID
It's kind of pathetic how everyone assumes that Microsoft is an evil greedy Satan and that Bungie is nice and loves all of us but was corrupted by Microsoft. They're companies, they're here to make money.

Wow your a poor dumb kid.

  • 10.16.2007 9:56 PM PDT
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Sheesh, Bungie is good at what Bungie does, but were all getting left out, but not that much. Seen CoD 4 yet? Or Crysis maybe? Yeah, they look way better than Halo 3, and i think thats why ppl are complaining Bungie doesnt care, now your all wondering wtf? whatre you talking bout?!
Yeah, im getting to it, so here i go, We dont like Bungie for a good reason, we dont give too much about graphics of a game, only that its fun, Agreed? If not well, go away my post doesnt adress you. So we hate Bungie cause they didnt release Halo 3 Even for Vista, Halo 3 Forums Hate Bungie, cause Halo 3 didnt meet all expectations(Yeah Expectations that its going to be PERFECT)

  • 10.17.2007 12:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
Sheesh, Bungie is good at what Bungie does, but were all getting left out, but not that much. Seen CoD 4 yet? Or Crysis maybe? Yeah, they look way better than Halo 3, and i think thats why ppl are complaining Bungie doesnt care, now your all wondering wtf? whatre you talking bout?!
Yeah, im getting to it, so here i go, We dont like Bungie for a good reason, we dont give too much about graphics of a game, only that its fun, Agreed? If not well, go away my post doesnt adress you. So we hate Bungie cause they didnt release Halo 3 Even for Vista, Halo 3 Forums Hate Bungie, cause Halo 3 didnt meet all expectations(Yeah Expectations that its going to be PERFECT)


amen stick with the classics muchmore fun

  • 10.17.2007 4:07 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Halo is fun though.

I enjoy it, but not everyone does, but I'm not going to flame them. That's their personal choice. Likewise I hope the non-Halo fans can gain tolerance.

Halo 3 met a lot of expectations, a new Assault Rifle, return of the pistol, an ending with closure, as well as some extras, like the armor modifications. Bungie did allright with this one, and no one wants to admit it.

  • 10.17.2007 7:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: vincent5
Halo is fun though.

I enjoy it, but not everyone does, but I'm not going to flame them. That's their personal choice. Likewise I hope the non-Halo fans can gain tolerance.

Halo 3 met a lot of expectations, a new Assault Rifle, return of the pistol, an ending with closure, as well as some extras, like the armor modifications. Bungie did allright with this one, and no one wants to admit it.


I'll admit that Bungie did better than alright with the last installment in the Halo series. Bungie left its Halo series with a bang, bringing back the original (but jazzed up) assault rifle, and a refined version of the original pistol. The game lived up to the series' benchmark, and I applaud Bungie for its excellence.

However at the same time, you can't help but think that Bungie is not making games because they love to, but rather because they want to make a profit. I put "quality games" before "profits." They see it the other way around, which is why they chose to become acquired by Microsoft, and PC gamers are left in the dust. And all Microsoft says is, "If you want to play Halo 3, just buy an Xbox 360." To that, I say, "No way!"

  • 10.17.2007 2:08 PM PDT

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Then you don't get to play Halo 3. Why are we still talking about this? They will do nothing just because a few people on their forums complain about something. And, it doesn't matter what we think about why they make games, or what Microsoft says about it, they as a company are looking for profits, not opinions. This thread should end now, or very soon, because it's futile to continue ranting and raving, and conversing about what they did or did not do for us.

  • 10.17.2007 2:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Then you don't get to play Halo 3. Why are we still talking about this? They will do nothing just because a few people on their forums complain about something. And, it doesn't matter what we think about why they make games, or what Microsoft says about it, they as a company are looking for profits, not opinions. This thread should end now, or very soon, because it's futile to continue ranting and raving, and conversing about what they did or did not do for us.

why do you just go dig a hole, p1ss in it and die there? It's alarming to see over 3/4 of the people on the halo pc forum say that bungie has left them behind. You (desert fox) should go back to sucking microsoft's as5 hole
they sure miss your tight mouth.

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  • 10.17.2007 6:22 PM PDT
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Fox is not saying that he believes that Bungie cares about its PC fanbase. He's acknowledging that they don't care, and accepting that they don't care. If anything, Fox's statements only further explain the main argument of this thread.

  • 10.17.2007 7:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: antomicblitz
why do you just go dig a hole, p1ss in it and die there? It's alarming to see over 3/4 of the people on the halo pc forum say that bungie has left them behind. You (desert fox) should go back to sucking microsoft's as5 hole
they sure miss your tight mouth.


And I think you should read what Fox is saying a little closer Mr. "antomicblitz". Do you find it alarming that three out of four people here think Bungie left them behind because it really does show how much Bungie cares about PC gamers? Or are you alarmed by the fact that three out of four people here don't love your precious Bungie? Halo: Combat Evolved and Oni were Bungies only real good games. Halo 2 and 3 have been forgettable at best. And we all know Bungies track record in regards to it's PC fan base. Halo PC: Passed off to Gearbox who, while they did their best with the limitations dictated to them, still turned out a port that was laggy, buggy, and generally lacking in nearly all aspects. Halo 2 PC: From the feedback you can read in almost any thread on this forum has been a veritable no-show in the PC gaming market. It was already surpassed by several games before it was even released.

But I digress, Bungie is now an Xbox company, and it seems comfortable remaining so even after the split from Microsoft. Because anyone who actually reads the financial section of any newspaper would see that the most important thing to any company, and it's investors, is it's profit margin. And a few dissenters aren't going to change that.

So why don't you tone down the 'tude, learn to read, and Read between the lines.


  • 10.17.2007 8:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Halo: Combat Evolved and Oni were Bungies only real good games. Halo 2 and 3 have been forgettable at best.

Halo 3 crippled box-office sales. I'm pretty sure forgettable games don't exactly do that. I've played Halo 3 a bit and I've loved every minute of it, and I'm definitely not the only one.

  • 10.18.2007 12:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: antomicblitz
Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Then you don't get to play Halo 3. Why are we still talking about this? They will do nothing just because a few people on their forums complain about something. And, it doesn't matter what we think about why they make games, or what Microsoft says about it, they as a company are looking for profits, not opinions. This thread should end now, or very soon, because it's futile to continue ranting and raving, and conversing about what they did or did not do for us.

why do you just go dig a hole, p1ss in it and die there? It's alarming to see over 3/4 of the people on the halo pc forum say that bungie has left them behind. You (desert fox) should go back to sucking microsoft's as5 hole
they sure miss your tight mouth.
You may wish to edit that. Seeing as how I really don't feel in the mood to teach you how to read.

  • 10.18.2007 3:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Halo: Combat Evolved and Oni were Bungies only real good games. Halo 2 and 3 have been forgettable at best.

Halo 3 crippled box-office sales. I'm pretty sure forgettable games don't exactly do that. I've played Halo 3 a bit and I've loved every minute of it, and I'm definitely not the only one.


I played through Halo 3 already, and it was forgettable to me. But hey, that's just my opinion.

  • 10.18.2007 5:19 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Halo 3's campaign was a tad bit short. My friends and I covered it 4 hours. Halo 2 took us 8 hours.


I don't think I ever mentioned if I thought Bungie cared about its PC fanbase, well they'll come back us eventually. You always return to the place you started from in business. Otherwise you fail.

And I still have yet to play Marathon, the install instructions suck.

  • 10.18.2007 6:35 AM PDT
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It's more a function of Microsoft's ownership, as Recoton suggested, than anything else. MS would like to drive Vista sales with Halo 2 Vista, and they don't mind alienating their existing PC customers to that end. Bloated and glitzy, Vista isn't selling well and will, I hope, be the next Windows ME. Then, maybe, there's a chance that we'll get H2 for XP, but I doubt it.

  • 10.18.2007 6:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: vincent5
Halo 3's campaign was a tad bit short. My friends and I covered it 4 hours. Halo 2 took us 8 hours.

I don't think I ever mentioned if I thought Bungie cared about its PC fanbase, well they'll come back us eventually. You always return to the place you started from in business. Otherwise you fail.

And I still have yet to play Marathon, the install instructions suck.

Yeah, Halo 3's campaign was short, I have to agree there. I think H3 is the only Halo game I could find myself completing in one run.

And Marathon's a good game if you can get by the graphics. But hey, if you can't get the original to work, you could always try Marathon Resurrection. It's a conversion mod for Unreal Tournament, and provides better graphics than the original.

  • 10.18.2007 9:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recoton007
So the question is four-fold:
"If you agree that Bungie has abandoned the PC gamers, at which point did they start to do so?"
The first question should be “Do you agree that Bungie abandoned the PC market” and that answer is simple. No they didn’t abandon it they never really engaged in it. The Halo game was an Xbox game. It was designed by Bungie primarily for the Xbox. It was over a year and a half later that the game was ported to the PC and Mac and that project was outsourced to two separate companies undertaken by Microsoft Game Studios not Bungie. Halo 2 was an Xbox game and it was two years after the Xbox release that the game was ported to the PC this time by an internal Microsoft Game Studios team. So it is clearly evident that Bungie does not support the PC platform. The Halo series from its inception was for the Xbox.
Posted by: Recoton007
Do you think that the ports were really Bungie, filling in the demand for Halo on the PC, or was it just n effort to collect money from an untapped source?
It would be completely naive to think that the ports of the game were for anything other than to “collect money”. You don’t go into business to do things that do not make money. Or else you don’t stay in business long.
Posted by: Recoton007
"If you disagree with the subject in question, why do you think so?
I think the premise of these questions are misdirected. It makes the incorrect assumption that Bungie developed the Halo game for the PC market when it clearly didn’t and that any company invests the time and money to develop games regardless of expected profits.
Posted by: Recoton007
"With Bungie separating (legally) from Microsoft, do you believe that they will finally turn their attention to the PC audience?"
This is purely an opinion because I have no working knowledge of Bungie’s business plans. I suspect that they will, as they said in their press release “… continue to develop with our primary focus on Microsoft’s platforms;” and since they have not yet strayed from the Xbox platform I doubt that they would. They have been very successful in their development for the Xbox and have invested years of time, effort and money into it developing a structure and internal system to approach that development. To abandon that in favor of the PC market would be a very bad business decision. I tend to follow the money in mind games like this and the money for Bungie is in the Console games they do so well. So no, I do not believe that the separation from Microsoft will turn their attention to the PC game market. Quite the contrary I believe it will now be more difficult and costly for them to obtain the resources from Microsoft Game Studios to port they Xbox games to PC.

The thing to remember is that Bungie is an Xbox game company and with that there are limitations to what they will do for the PC market. it is not a bad thing, just what it is.

  • 10.18.2007 12:25 PM PDT
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bungie said that they have to make games for the MS platforms...
technically, any windows operating system counts as an ms platform.
though halo is still rights of bungie, ms game studios still gets a partial profit from publishing a game and they are still business partners.
who'se to say they can't make a port or at least service packs and updates for their exisiting pc games.

also, they haven't abandoned us. there are mods employed here for a reason. we've just been neglected. besides, whatever bungie won't fix, someone will come sooner or later to fix it up *cough* Kornman00 *cough. in the case of the nerfed "map editor" that came with halo 2 for vista, there's already independent user-developers making alterations. yes, some support would be nice, but if you're experiencing any gameplay problems then report them on the thread and maybe your words will be heard and a fix will show up in a new update. also, the game's instructions specifically say that you have to have a vista base index score of 5.0 to run the game in the newer graphics settings that were specifically meant for vista

vista is not a bad system, it's just new. if i recall correctly, XP had some problems when it first came out. now it's fine, know why? because it was broken in... as something is out longer it will become easier to use. if there is any flaw in vista it's UAC but ms was nice enough to give us the option of disabling it. as for it's slowness, get 2gb of ram and a multicore processor, it'll run smooth after that. if you have a lower budget, then just make sure you have 1gb of ram. (i was able to run vista fine on a system with an Nvidia 5600 ultra, sempron 2500+, 250gb IDE HDD, 19-inch monitor, and 1GB samsung RAM DDR400) of course, that's my desktop and i'm planning a ~$800 ugrade this year (for the newer games)...

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  • 10.18.2007 2:16 PM PDT
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I herd arbeter gets blowd up an mastr cheef dies in halo 3. is that tru

  • 10.18.2007 2:27 PM PDT

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What the -blam!-?

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Posted by: fuzzy bunny
I herd arbeter gets blowd up an mastr cheef dies in halo 3. is that tru


I heard you're an idiot, any truth to that?

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  • 10.18.2007 6:04 PM PDT