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Subject: Do You Consider Camping To Be Cheap, Or Not Cheap?
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I started this discussion over at the Teamxbox forums. So I'm just bringing it over.

I've seen a few Halo Tournaments where players camp around a corner, or a room and wait for someone to come by and mow them down. What was even worse was when teams of two were BOTH camping. You could hear the audience in the background screaming "BOOOOOO! Campers! Campers!".

Do you think camping sometimes ruins the multiplayer experience not only in Halo, but in every other FPS out there? If you don't consider camping to be cheap, what tactics or solutions do you use against people that loves to camp?

Do you think Halo 2 will offer new kinds tactics against campers? I'm not sure if Peeking around corners was announced for Halo 2, but I think that would be one tactic that can be useful against campers so you can make sure a corner, or room is safe.

I guess I should also add that any camping related discussion is also included in the Camping debate. So that goes for Spawn camping.

Since I'm mentioning Spawn camping, do you think Bungie will do something or can do something about it?

I think what Bungie should do for Halo 2 against Spawn campers is allow a brief 3 seconds of Invinciblilty for the players respawning to the game. So the player will look faded for 3 seconds causing any early enemy fire (Spawn Campers) to pass right through, and the player that's in that brief 3 seconds of invincibility can't fire their weapons or throw any grenades.

  • 06.04.2004 4:49 PM PDT
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cheap!

  • 06.04.2004 4:49 PM PDT
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camping-
my opinion:
Not cheap

  • 06.04.2004 4:50 PM PDT
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well it depends..if your sitting in a corner with an ma5b trembling and looking franticaly at the doors then yes, you should be beaten with a stick...spawn camping is just flat our lame, but if you have a sniper rifle then you can't blame someone for not moving around

so simply camping with sniper: not cheap

camping with anything else: cheap

[Edited on 6/4/2004 4:51:43 PM]

  • 06.04.2004 4:51 PM PDT
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I think spawn camping is cheap (thats why you play with people you know wont spawn camp, people you trust) but any other camping in my opinion is not cheap.

  • 06.04.2004 4:55 PM PDT
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All is fair in love and war.

There are advantages and disadvantages to every aspect of the game and the way one plays; including 'camping.' A stationary target, often backed into a corner, is a prime-candidate for a grenade. Now he either sits there and takes it, or scatters - turning the tables in your favor. Simply be aware of possible camping zones.

Unfortunately, I don't think the same can be said for 'spawn-campers' as they run a very close line between reasonable, sound tactics and what is essentialy cheating.

If, you ask me.

  • 06.04.2004 5:08 PM PDT

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Starting the game by sitting in a toilet room with an AR is lame but sniping and manning turrets isnt. I hope that theres a stat thing at the end of a match that shows the worst camper. (bar staying still with a sniper weapon).

Tank camping is also cheap...

  • 06.04.2004 5:12 PM PDT
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camping is not cheap in a real gunnfight you don't run around like a madman.

  • 06.04.2004 5:19 PM PDT

SB-117

But sitting in a small room with a shotgun aimed pointblanc at a door sure sounds cheap to me!

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It all depends on the game and situation. If we're talking about a straight action game like Unreal Tournament, then yes it is very cheap. But in a more realistic game like Halo, it is not always cheap. For example, sitting at the end of a hallway with active camo and a rocket launcher is very cheap, but sniping without moving is not cheap. In games like Natural-Selecion (a HL mod advertised in my signature), strategy always takes precedence, and there's really nothing cheap you can do in it except spawn camp.

  • 06.04.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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Cheapness is everywhere. The real question is: when is doing something cheap like camping strategically viable or essential?
Hiding out in a base to ambush somebody who makes a run with your flag- cheap, and it's also called half way intelligent tactics.
Spawn killing with a sniper rifle while your ally runs off with the flag- Cheap, but tell me, would you give the enemy a 5-second running start in that situation? No. Letting them live would be strategically idiotic.
Hiding in one room in Chiron with a rocket, waiting for somebody to come through a portal- cheap, but if you've got slow reaction time it's the only way.
Spawn killing for the sake of getting kills in a CTF- Cheap. You've got better things to do, like actually getting the flag.
Telefragging- Cheap. If they're dumb enough to keep coming through the portal and those same people are a threat to your objective, then by all means proceed.
Memorizing spawn times and spawnpoints so you can rocket/frag somebody as soon as they spawn- Cheap. This takes all the fun out of the game, usually for both sides. However, if you want to win in the big-leagues that's what you have to do.

Being cheap in and of itself is irrelevant. The only time cheapness should be frowned upon is when it isn't used to increase your chances of winning. Cheap for the sake of being cheap is cheap. Are you following that?

  • 06.04.2004 5:24 PM PDT
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Ok Ok camping isn't cheap because it's not very efective because the place campers are camping can be easily avoided and or riddled with high powered explosives, rockets or grenades. Not that hard to figure out.

AVOID and u will be fine and THEY will be bord

Plus its a patience builder and every one can use a lil bit of that

  • 06.04.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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Ok Scipio those kinda campings YES ARE TOTALY FING CHEAP sucks all the fun out but the kinda camping i was talking about isnt



P.S. is Scipio ur name or did u read the theaf lord :-P

  • 06.04.2004 5:32 PM PDT
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Never once in all the years that I've played Halo, have I ever had a problem with campers. If you have problems with campers in Halo, then chances are you suck. In fact, when ppl camp I know I must be doing something right, because otherwise they'd be up and about...but more often then not, they're afraid...and I LOVE IT!

Sadly, over the years we've learned where every single camping spot is in the game. A simple grenade thrown into their little hide out and they coming running out. To me its funny...now they're out in the open with half their health down. It boggles my mind why they even come out in the first place.

  • 06.04.2004 5:32 PM PDT
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Oh, and camping at a base is not cheap at all. I still call it camping when I tell my teammates, but we don't hold the word camper as a negative term. In a game of CTF, thats called defense.

Now...in a game like Ghost Recon with no grenades and the guy is camping....well thats cheating.

  • 06.04.2004 5:36 PM PDT
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Camping is just a newbs cry for help.

Tactics useful: Mess with there heads, throw nades at them even though it may not kill them, just to freak them out, then fire like mad in there for no reason then when the person is too confused or wants to investigate kill them. Also if u have a teammate tell him to rush at a different entrance to them. So it will be 2 on 1.

  • 06.04.2004 5:39 PM PDT
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ok ASH if u think tank camping is cheep ur a dumb ass i man oh my god its not that hard to figure out that some ones in it the LIGHTS ON

  • 06.04.2004 5:39 PM PDT
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camping is cheap only if you are out numbered and the other team is plain beter than you

  • 06.04.2004 5:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Scipio
Cheapness is everywhere. The real question is: when is doing something cheap like camping strategically viable or essential?
Hiding out in a base to ambush somebody who makes a run with your flag- cheap, and it's also called half way intelligent tactics.



I dont find that cheap at all if they are using an assualt rifle, but if they have a rocket luancher then its cheap. Besides if you still get the flag it shows them that their tactics dont work. This may cause them to give up camping if it happens a lot, ergo there will be less campers.

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  • 06.04.2004 5:49 PM PDT

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Yeah it's cheap if you camp all the time but if you do it for 2 or 3 kills what's the big deal? Sometimes you have to -like when the enemy just picked up an overshield and you're low on health and ammo but you have a sniper weapon with some bullets, obviously you are not going to charge ahead. Infact a small amount of camping is built into the MP levels in my opinion but if someone does it all the time and can ffind no other strategy then they will perish for their lack of versatility.

  • 06.04.2004 5:59 PM PDT
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"YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!"

Samuel L. Jackson


Now thats insightful.

Really guys....I guy who is camping in Halo is never a problem. Half the time they get...one maybe two kills, before ppl figure it out. Its really not a problem...at least not in Halo.

  • 06.04.2004 6:00 PM PDT
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Telecamping is usually kind of interesting. Once, I went through the teleporter on BG with a shotgun and shot the guy who was incorrectly blocking the teleporter right in the head. Kinda funny. 1 shot kill.

Camping is easily avoided, just needs people to plan their moves.

  • 06.04.2004 6:10 PM PDT
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Mr Guileful, I never read the book you mentioned, and my name isn't Scipio. I just "borrowed" it from Scipio Afrikanus, the Roman general who defeated Hannibal in the Punic Wars.

Horizon, you're more or less correct, but it also depends on the size of the game. If you're playing a 2v2 on bloodgultch, one or both of the other teammembers watching either base, then it just might be a problem. Now, I'm not saying this is unstoppable and it's game over for the non-campers. I've gotten out of that situation plenty of times. However, it makes the likelihood of having your brains aired out the moment you spawn go way up, and if getting killed as soon as you spawn isn't cheap, I don't know what is. Like I said before though, that's what you have to do to win.

If you truly want to avoid any cheapness, then go the duelist's route. Never pick up any powerups and only use the same or as good a weapon as your opponent. Each time you'll get a contest of skill, but that doesn't mean you'll have a secure victory. You'll never have an unfair advantage and never be accused of being "cheap." For what it's worth, you'll have that going for ya'.

  • 06.04.2004 6:15 PM PDT

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ok ASH if u think tank camping is cheep ur a dumb ass i man oh my god its not that hard to figure out that some ones in it the LIGHTS ON

Ermm....Im referring to the kind who hide behind their base and just rocket anyone who moves and you cant snipe them because their so far away from your base. Basically, tanks equals crap. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?

  • 06.04.2004 6:15 PM PDT
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I guess we don't. Those guys "camping" beind the base with a rocket launcher, I call newbs. If they're too far away for you to use the sniper rifle on them, then you're not close enough.

  • 06.04.2004 6:22 PM PDT

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