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Subject: Do You Consider Camping To Be Cheap, Or Not Cheap?
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I agree with Fox, tele-camping and spawn camping is cheap, but if you are a defender of a base, ITS NOT CHEAP! But define cheap? Is it a tactic that works or is it a tactic that abuse a certain aspect of the game? If your cheap you abuse the system. If you block a entrance with a hog, its anoying but a logical thing to do, and is certainly not cheap. But , for example, use a tank and a ghost to remove yourself from the map, that is cheap. I have some friends, and we were playing LAN, and I was walking towards their bae and I passed by their teleporter, someone came out and I killed him. And he yells "CAMPER!" yet I was merely passing by, is that camping?

  • 06.06.2004 9:59 AM PDT
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"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."
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I dunno. Sniping(not sniping to spawn kill), is sitting around and, thus, camping. But I still enjoy it. It's a military tactic.

As for powerups, and same weapons and so forth: Knowing which weapons to get and how to get powerups, were all part of strategy. In the end, your strategy has to be better than the other guy's. Attacking only with the same weapons leaves very little variety and much to be desired.

edit: This is in response to Scipio's last post.

[Edited on 6/6/2004 10:02:05 AM]

  • 06.06.2004 10:00 AM PDT
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  • 06.06.2004 11:01 AM PDT
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People who think camping is cheap are newbs. If they cant handel getting sniped, they suck. It takes skill to find a good camping spot, and to remain hidden is even harder. But the real pro is the one that can take out the camper, either with counter-camping or with sneakup tactics. I like to open fire with the AR to knock out his scope, then pick him off with a pistol. CAMPING IS FOR THE PROS!

  • 06.06.2004 11:49 AM PDT
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WHY WOULD BUNGIE MAKE SNIPER RIFLES IF CAMPING ISNT AN ELEMENT OF THE GAME??? camping should be used for two reasons, defence, and backup. Doing it for kills is mad. They WILL get you.

P.S. change your camping spot so you dont get caught.

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  • 06.06.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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CAmping is not cheap In CTF (gaurding flag) Slayer (object is to kill people camping is a more efficent way of killing) race camping is cheap (garuding the next place for the person to go to) oddball camping is not cheap (gaurding your teammate with the ball or hiding with it) king of the hill............im not even going to say why camping isnt cheaap you stupid people will have to think.
Plus if youre a true halo fan you know ever single map like the back of your hand and thus you know where people camp and the trusty grenade is always there to help

[Edited on 6/6/2004 12:19:05 PM]

  • 06.06.2004 12:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: DrummDragon
Let's say your in blood gulch, and your base is under attack, you have to go on the defensive and camp. Otherwise you die (especially with tank). Then it is not cheap, but every base needs a defender.

If you know blood gulch well you would know camping is BAD VERY BAD in that map. beacause if you are always attacking faster and quicker than youre enemy they will have to camp beacuase youre whole team is always at theri base and when it is like that they will be outnumbered and you will score becuase they will have people attacking and less people helping defenders. And youre3 snipers will be able to kill attacking enemies and youre respawning people will slowly hurt them to they die. Thus you will have to worry no more about defending HINT: TELEPORTERS,VECHICLES

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Posted by: Scipio
Just because you guys do it, or because it's a little more reasonable won't make it 'fair play.' Everything I have seen mentioned here thusfar has been cheap, even though so many defend particular forms of cheapness or camping. Camping is watching and waiting whether it's with a sniper rifle for spawning enemies or it's at your own base waiting for somebody to make a run with the flag.
The only non-cheap/non-camping way to play is always fight on equal ground (same weapons, both see each other, no power ups). That will decrease your chances of winning, but that's the only real fair play there is.

Camping that you like to do, or you can fight against is still camping.


that will also take away the tactical sides of the game!
mostly i kill those freakin' mostly there just waitin' and waitin' but when you come there reaction time isnt quick enough MUAHAHAHAHAHA

what i really find cheap is lagg, SHOOTING AND SHOOTING SOMEBODY WITH SHOTGUN FOR 20 TIMES STRAIGHT IN THE FACE AND THEN HE KILLS YOU WITH ONE FREAKIN' SHOTGUN SHOT!

thats why i hate halo PC it almost always laggs (you dont really have to see it if it laggs)
and thats why i love xbl, its just so -blam!- good!
Never troubles with your comp not being able to let the game look good! with the xbox everybody plays under the same conditions you got the same graphics and the same view!
and mostly ther's no lagg!

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I think like some of you others said, it does depend of the situation and the type of "camping." A sniper is sitting still to make sure he is not drawing attention to himself, thats not cheap, thats nessicary, hes not carrying a weapon to go head first into combat with. And defending your flag is not cheap, those who say it is, i would love to play a game of CTF with you and see how many times you can get my flag and how many time i can get yours if you dont defend it. In every MP game i have played with a system link i have 1 or 2 guys protect the flag with heavy weapons (Rockets, greandes, tanks, worthogs, whatever is available) It just makes sense, if some one is trying to take something from you, you defend it. Spawn camping on the other hand is pretty much cheating, i played one game where this team of 13 year olds just blocked portals and camped in the spawn point of our team, we couldnt even get a weapon before we took a rocket or sniper round in the noodle. When other people camp with sniper rifles at strategicaly usefull spots, like a bottle neck in the road, i love it, it makes the game more challenging and real. No army on earth or any other planed would say, no dont snipe there, they have to be able to get into the area so we can get some of our men killed. Its fun to try to out smart and out gun another team of free thinking people that learn from thier mistakes, and besides, when i pick up a sniper rifle i know they cant see what im aiming at, so i destroy them. Sniping to provide cover for your teammates to get into the enemy base or get clear of a tight spot they were pinned down in is a very usefull and fun tool. Ive played games where a single well placed sniper (and his partner to cover his back) kept the enemy team on the defensive the WHOLE game, and they loved it cuz its harder than just walkin out side. That sniper was me, and they killed me a few times and i found it fun to try to get new places to snipe from and out smart my enemy.

  • 06.06.2004 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: QuakCow
well it depends..if your sitting in a corner with an ma5b trembling and looking franticaly at the doors then yes, you should be beaten with a stick...spawn camping is just flat our lame, but if you have a sniper rifle then you can't blame someone for not moving around

so simply camping with sniper: not cheap

camping with anything else: cheap


Camping with an MA5B, the guy deserves to be camping with a short range weapon. As for the sniper, that isn't necessarially cheap, but he can move and shoot at the same time. If he can't then he does not deserve that S2 AM and thus the camper should not exsist.

In my honest opinion I could care less about campers. Simply because I can take them out easilly. Think about it. The guy is in one spot, find the spot and flush him out. Simple as that. Boom, he's dead, camper gone, next target please.

  • 06.06.2004 2:32 PM PDT
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I find camping more annoying then cheap. So a person surpises you and kills you before you have a chance to react, by staying in one spot they are leaving themselves open to attack from behind, not only that but they are making the game boring for themselves. A mix of camping and moving is, in my opinon, perfectly fair. In fact i camp some in Hang em High. If i respawn at one of the towers I will stay up there sniping people with the pistle in till they find me or i run out of ammo. i usually don't last very long becuase they find out where i am and pepper the area with shots forcing me to move to a different spot.

  • 06.06.2004 2:44 PM PDT
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What about vehicle destruction? In ut2k4, in maps with vehicles, ill destroy them once they spawn in the enemy base (the way i usually do it is rig exlosives on the vehicle, then blow it up as the person drive/flies away with it :)~

Anyway, technically it might be camping but it can effectively rid of enemy air support or heavy assault vehicles. Also, if i can be in their base for that long I have ever right to sneak aroundin it.

Thus i dont count it as camping.

The reason I bring up destroying vehicles is because we all know that the vehicles in halo 2 will be destructable.

  • 06.06.2004 2:45 PM PDT
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Camping isn't cheap, camping is simply defense or if your sniping some sort of offense.

If your attacking, then by definiation you should be moving forward and thus not camping.

Spawn camping is very cheap, they must find some sort of fair way to eliminate it, either by clever level design or a brief period of invincibility (and no guns) like someone described in the first page.

  • 06.06.2004 3:19 PM PDT
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"Camping" is a real life tactic. If you can't kill someone who is camping, that means he's better than you and you deserve to die. I don't camp myself, i'm just saying if someone wants to camp, so be it. In the end, the best player will win.

  • 06.06.2004 3:36 PM PDT
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I think camping cant be stopped, -blam!-s will be -blam!-s and campers will be campers.
I myself am a camper but I have an art to it I use pistols and sniper rifles not crap like rockets, thats just -blam!-.
Posted by: HorizonX5
I guess we don't. Those guys "camping" beind the base with a rocket launcher, I call newbs. If they're too far away for you to use the sniper rifle on them, then you're not close enough.

  • 06.06.2004 4:22 PM PDT
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It's part of the game and part of the tactics. If camping is what you need to do to overcome an obviously superior force then camp out for hours. I'm more of a heavy offensive guy since I am a firm believer that a strong defense is a good offense, but I don't complain about campers. They're simply targets that don't deviate from their original position too much and if you can't overcome a guy who's camping you don't have the right to call yourself a player no matter how "cheap" you may consider the situation. That tank situation I read earlier disgusted me because that could have been solved with two bullets then a rush towards their base to confiscate the Scorpions. At that point the other team would have been so overwhelmed with a triangulation of fire (if you could coordinate it) that there would be no reason to use more than one hand on the controller

  • 06.06.2004 4:47 PM PDT
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If I was in a real gun fight, I would sit behind a rock and just wait for someone to walk passed. I wouldn't run around like a psycho, shooting anything that moves. If people want realistic games, they have to learn to deal with camping, since that's what would realistically happen.

  • 06.06.2004 7:03 PM PDT
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Let me point out the stupidity of this. You fight to win, not to be fair, I am pretty good at getting rid of campers anyway, it's a good solid strategy to win.

  • 06.06.2004 7:04 PM PDT
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camping in Deathmatch is cheap, but effective =)..but spawn camping, well, thats just asking for it. And the sure way of getting rid of campers is to just go over there and kill them...campers usually lack skills and panick when rushed =) Its very hard for really good campers to be really good, unless youre really really good...but I doubt really really good campers are reading this.

  • 06.07.2004 12:37 AM PDT
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Camping is part of the game,just get use to it!

  • 06.07.2004 3:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lakatu
Spawn camping is very cheap, they must find some sort of fair way to eliminate it, either by clever level design or a brief period of invincibility (and no guns) like someone described in the first page.


RtCW did a good job pulling that off... But you could use your weapons, only a moron would sit in their spawn waiting for them to spawn.... It's was really fair if you ask me...

  • 06.07.2004 4:55 AM PDT
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Camping isn't cheap, it's part of life. If you can't deal with a Camper, go play Unreal or some similarly unrealistic game.

  • 06.07.2004 5:05 AM PDT

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