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Subject: How many ppl want there to be bots in Muliplayer!?!?!
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nope just know about the video that makes fun of the old halo sry

ya the 7th page lets go for 10!!!

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  • 06.06.2004 11:26 PM PDT
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ya the 7th page lets go for 10!!!
lets not.

Simply put, Halo multiplayer wasn't designed for bots, just the enjoyment of player-to-player interaction
Since when do bots block player-to-player interaction? Have you actually played games with bots? Do you understand what they actual are? Bots dont necessarily mean entities you shoot at when you've got no friends. Bots can enhance player-to-player interaction, Ie, 2 teams, splitscreen. Instead of fighting in a big empty space with just 2 people, me and a mate can have a small squad at our disposal, who mimick, not replace, a larger LAN party. Bots simply fill in for human players, IF YOU WANT THEM TO.

Of course bots would definately require an enormous amount of code and programming to be effective and not just a tacted on feature. However, I dont know where the theory that their inclusion would disrupt multiplayer dynamics comes from.

If Bungie has the time, or has already programmed bots, then their inclusion would not negatively affect the dynamics of multiplayer AT ALL. Since they are substitutes for human players, they wouldn't behave like SP AI, they would behave just like or as similar as possible to people in multiplayer. Now, if the multiplayer levels and dynamics are built for up to 16 players to interact in, there is no reason why the inclusion of bots would do anything. Having bots, while of course not being as smart as humans, doesn't require changes to be made to the dynamics of multiplayer, that logic does not make sense.

IF the coding for bots would be to difficult, Bungie would NOT sacrifice the quality of multiplayer just to include them. If they felt they couldn't code them due to the time they had, they wouldn't include them. And I think thats whats going to happen.

Snarl P, are you arguing;

a) Bots would consume production time and effort, and thus undermine and affect the quality of Halo 2 multiplayer in general? (which I believe could be true, and the only reason why Bungie wouldn't include them)

or that

b) Bots change the dynamics of multiplayer so that, in terms of levels, cohesiveness and overall design aspects, changes need to be made due to their inclusion? (which makes no sense to me, as bots are a substitute for humans, and therefore multiplayer dynamics and design itself would not need to be changed in anyway, except for obvious things like extra options when selecting bot matches)

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  • 06.06.2004 11:53 PM PDT
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Well now i think everyone wants AI bots in multiplayer and it'be cool. BUT can u imagine the constraints with such a big scale project. first of all the amount of AI required would be HUGELYMONGOUS! i mean we dont have that kinda technology (well maybe we do have..) but the time required to program those bots for multiplayer would awfully delay halo2's release.

  • 06.07.2004 12:32 AM PDT
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We do have that technology, in every other bot game out there. Of course Bungie would only include it if it was up to the standards of the rest of the game, hence the only reason why it would not be included, time and effort constraints.

  • 06.07.2004 12:38 AM PDT
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I'm pretty sure that my statements supporting a conclusion are pretty convoluted just because I've written so much by this point, so I'll just straight out say that my problem with bots right now in Halo 2 would indeed be the consumption of time on the part of the Bungie team. And yes, I've played plenty of games with bots: Counter-Strike, Timesplitters 1 and 2, Red Faction, Perfect Dark, and so on. Unless Bungie could include bots that represent the next level of AI intelligence in multiplayer gaming (which, given enough time, I'm certain they could), I'd definitely be dissapointed with anything but the absolute top-of-the-line bots which, again, I doubt Bungie wants to invest time in.

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  • 06.07.2004 12:40 AM PDT
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I'd be happy with average bots. You know if your dissapointed with them, and dont like them because their not top of the line, you could just like, um, not play with them. I understand the opposition to their inclusion if it were to take time away from perfecting multiplayer, but I dont understand mindless oposition to them if they are included. After all, Bungie would NOT include them if it meant they would have to sacrifice other aspects of multiplayer, that much is obvious. And even bots with halfassed AI would still be awsome, and if you dont like em, dont play with them.

Again, I would like bots, but doubt they will include them.

  • 06.07.2004 12:45 AM PDT
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By the way, that post by AdamJR is actually mine. My brother signed me out and signed himself on when I wasn't looking.

  • 06.07.2004 1:23 AM PDT
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They shouldn't put bots in because itmakes the game boring cause you sit at home playing against a bunch of crappy ol bots. but without them you can only play single player to get good and it will make it much more exiting when you meet up with people for a lan party.
Think about all the games that used bots Counter strike (xbox version), Time Splitters 2, Perfect Dark (on N64). And think about how we all tired of these games multiplayers! I mean i've been playing halo multiplayer for nearly a year and a half and im STILL NOT BORED of the multiplayer because of the sheer fact that i dont sit in playing it with bots all the time which makes it boring, instead i go round other peoples lan parties, or host my own where you can have a laugh with your mates. Not a bunch of loser bots with no brains!

  • 06.07.2004 1:59 AM PDT
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How does anyone know Bungie haven't already spent ages coding the bots? HOW! Has bungie said, "We have not coded any bots at all"...if they did, then my bad....but I am sure they haven't said that so we don't know that they aren't already there being polished.....




Oh and Master Cheif 419... [color=red] WHAT THE HELL?! [/color] Bots dont -blam!- up multiplayer with mates....it just means that if you cant organize a big ol' lan and can only have a couple of freinds over then you dont have to have 3man deathmatch.....Oh yeah, cos 3man deathmatch is so much better than having a few bots to add to the action......
WHAT THE -blam!-!!!

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  • 06.07.2004 2:43 AM PDT
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Peolpe,peolpe it's plan and smiple,either Halo 2 will have bots or it won't have bots

Damn peolpe ;),if Bungie had time,and knew it would help alot for multiplayer then Halo 2 will have bots,but if they did't have time,or other problems then no bots will show.End of story!


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  • 06.07.2004 2:51 AM PDT
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I'm sure it is safe to assume that the number of people who want the inclusion of bots, is equal to or lesser than the number of people who want this thread to simply die and/or go away.

  • 06.07.2004 2:53 AM PDT
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I'd like bots, i do have live but when i want to play with a lot of friends round it'd be nice to have 16 player games so theres more action. i do have 2 x-box's to link up for 8 player games when i have LAN nights but games with loads is amazing (i know because of PC version online) so this could only be acheived for me via there being bots in the game. the only concern is how good they are, or how effective the difficulties are you can set them too. like most people here me and my friends reckon we're pretty good so it'd ruin it if the bots we're crap cos to win slayer or whatever people would pick on the retarded bots but on the other end having bots harder than elites on legendary would be a nightmare if i invited mates round who arn't that good, i am but i'm thinking of others :)

  • 06.07.2004 3:00 AM PDT
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I cant even go to sleep for 8 hours without u ppl postin something big. What happened to the good old days where ppl just put a simple yes or no?

  • 06.07.2004 8:44 AM PDT
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YES

  • 06.07.2004 9:38 AM PDT
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ty

  • 06.07.2004 12:16 PM PDT
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I disagree with you big time. I guess its all in the matter of opinion.

  • 06.07.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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Hell yeah bots, if your bored and dont have xbox live you have bots. just like Perfect Dark.

  • 06.07.2004 1:31 PM PDT
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hmmm 204 votes for yes. i think that considering bungie is trying to make the best game ever, not including bots would certainly keep it from being the best

  • 06.07.2004 1:45 PM PDT
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It doesnt really matter to me because i have Xbox Live!
(dont mean to bragg)

  • 06.07.2004 1:46 PM PDT
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If they dont have bots I might have to fork out some extra cash to get x-box live.

  • 06.07.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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i got LIVE so im not too worried about it.

  • 06.07.2004 2:05 PM PDT
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over 200 votes for yes yay, keep on votin ppl

  • 06.07.2004 2:17 PM PDT
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to bots i say YES. i mean, sure i have a high speed internet connection and plenty of friends, but my friends arent always avalibe, and sometimes you just cant find a good server.
now, if halo2 has bots, they should definently be 11 times smarter than Counter-strike bots.its pretty funny...the counter-strike bots walk up to eachother, look at eachother for 4 or 5 seconds, then start shooting. its funny

and plus, someone who isnt as good at halo doesnt want to just go into a random server with all these good people and get their butts whooped. bad experince. they could "train" with these bots. get better. then we will have a challenge!!

and its unfair to people without xbox live, cuz they cant have a halo party every day..so all they can play is campaign a whole lot, and thatll get boring.

  • 06.07.2004 2:22 PM PDT
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thats exactly what im sayin

  • 06.07.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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VOTE VOTE VOTE!!

WORT WORT WORT!!

  • 06.07.2004 4:23 PM PDT