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Anyone know if you play, and get some kills if you will eventually get that stats updated or is it going to be retarded and be like " We could not record the data from the week end, so you got screwed. - Love Bungie"

  • 10.07.2007 12:44 PM PDT
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I usually fall into the "play it and enjoy it as an FPS and nothing more" group, but it just so happens I've had an amazing past few days. I would be most sad to see all my stats go bye-bye :(

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Mr Bubbles22
Anyone know if you play, and get some kills if you will eventually get that stats updated or is it going to be retarded and be like " We could not record the data from the week end, so you got screwed. - Love Bungie"

No one knows.

So, people can either play it as an FPS and continue to enjoy themselves and have some fun. Or, if they see it as an RPG and don't want to "waste their rat killing time for nothing", not play and thereby reduce the load on the system for those who are playing Halo 3 the FPS.


Recon Number 54: that is the most ownage i have ever read.. i will be laughing from that for days.. thank you so much, lmfao..

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Mr Bubbles22
Anyone know if you play, and get some kills if you will eventually get that stats updated or is it going to be retarded and be like " We could not record the data from the week end, so you got screwed. - Love Bungie"

No one knows.

So, people can either play it as an FPS and continue to enjoy themselves and have some fun. Or, if they see it as an RPG and don't want to "waste their rat killing time for nothing", not play and thereby reduce the load on the system for those who are playing Halo 3 the FPS.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the stat ranking system put into effect by the creators of the game...Bungie?

Seems to me they intended for it to, as you put, "be an RPG"....right?" If accurate stat tracking makes a FPS an RPG, then there have been several mislabled titles through the years...right?

So a better way to say things would be "Sorry, we're stumped as of now. We know nothing and right...most people who have been effected by this issue have stopped playing...for obvious reasons."

That's it. Not this explanation about an RPG or a FPS. It's Halo 3. It's a FPS and the creators of the game put the stat tracking into it with the intention of it working. Now that it's broke, we can't just pretend that it was an experiement...it was intended to work.

Lastly, for the many, many people who can't even get INTO matchmaking anymore...they won't be playing the RPG OR FPS version of Halo 3 now will they?

That post wasn't even indicative of a mod...

so that just dismantles that whole sarcastic argument.

[Edited on 10.07.2007 11:53 PM PDT]

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Posted by: IntrepidMerc420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the stat ranking system put into effect by the creators of the game...Bungie?

Seems to me they intended for it to, as you put, "be an RPG"....right?" If accurate stat tracking makes a FPS an RPG, then there have been several mislabled titles through the years...right?

So a better way to say things would be "Sorry, we're stumped as of now. We know nothing and right...most people who have been effected by this issue have stopped playing...for obvious reasons."

That's it. Not this explanation about an RPG or a FPS. It's Halo 3. It's a FPS and the creators of the game put the stat tracking into it with the intention of it working. Now that it's broke, we can't just pretend that it was an experiement...it was intended to work.

Lastly, for the many, many people who can't even get INTO matchmaking anymore...they won't be playing the RPG OR FPS version of Halo 3 now will they?

That post wasn't even indicative of a mod...

so that just dismantles that whole sarcastic argument.


I think recon was referring more to the fact that some people seem to have placed more importance on ranking up and gathering armor than they have on simply playing the game and enjoying it.

Now, while it is temporarily not working, you have a choice. Play the game, or don't play the game. Complaining about it on the forums will do nothing now that the problem has been reported. Yeah, stats are supposed to work. There seems to be a problem. Oops. -blam!- happens. Right now we don't know if stats are going to be lost. So if you only play halo because you want a higher rank, you might as well take a few days off. If, however, you enjoy playing halo for the sake of playing halo, then continue to play. If the stats are lost it would be unfortunate, but not earth shattering.

As for people who can't even play, well, that's a different topic, and it's really irrelevant as to "dismantling" Recon's post.

  • 10.08.2007 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: IntrepidMerc420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the stat ranking system put into effect by the creators of the game...Bungie?

Seems to me they intended for it to, as you put, "be an RPG"....right?" If accurate stat tracking makes a FPS an RPG, then there have been several mislabled titles through the years...right?

So a better way to say things would be "Sorry, we're stumped as of now. We know nothing and right...most people who have been effected by this issue have stopped playing...for obvious reasons."

That's it. Not this explanation about an RPG or a FPS. It's Halo 3. It's a FPS and the creators of the game put the stat tracking into it with the intention of it working. Now that it's broke, we can't just pretend that it was an experiement...it was intended to work.

Lastly, for the many, many people who can't even get INTO matchmaking anymore...they won't be playing the RPG OR FPS version of Halo 3 now will they?

That post wasn't even indicative of a mod...

so that just dismantles that whole sarcastic argument.


I think recon was referring more to the fact that some people seem to have placed more importance on ranking up and gathering armor than they have on simply playing the game and enjoying it.

Now, while it is temporarily not working, you have a choice. Play the game, or don't play the game. Complaining about it on the forums will do nothing now that the problem has been reported. Yeah, stats are supposed to work. There seems to be a problem. Oops. -blam!- happens. Right now we don't know if stats are going to be lost. So if you only play halo because you want a higher rank, you might as well take a few days off. If, however, you enjoy playing halo for the sake of playing halo, then continue to play. If the stats are lost it would be unfortunate, but not earth shattering.

As for people who can't even play, well, that's a different topic, and it's really irrelevant as to "dismantling" Recon's post.


Did Recon ask you to forward this post on behalf of him or something? Because I was addressing his post with mine. Seems logical to me that it would be his turn to reply, not a 3rd party who wasn't involved in the conversation.

I know very well what he's saying and it's unfair and rude to the people experiencing the problem. How much his or your personal satisfaction level is disturbed by this issue, is irrelevant. As you agreed...it needs to work.

I mean some of you think that people who play with a high level of importance on stats/medals/achievements are just silly. We think that you people, who are not concerned with the core elements of the gameplay that will be responsible for high replay value and a long lasting community, are silly.

Just a difference of opinion. However, I find it irresponsible for a mod to use their position on the forums to inject their personal opinion sarcastically, and in a place where it does absolutely nothing to help anyone who is experiencing a problem.

Mods are here to help...not make jokes. We have professional comediens for that...The mods here are not professional comediens. We don't want their humor scripts.

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Posted by: IntrepidMerc420
Did Recon ask you to forward this post on behalf of him or something? Because I was addressing his post with mine. Seems logical to me that it would be his turn to reply, not a 3rd party who wasn't involved in the conversation.

I know very well what he's saying and it's unfair and rude to the people experiencing the problem. How much his or your personal satisfaction level is disturbed by this issue, is irrelevant. As you agreed...it needs to work.

I mean some of you think that people who play with a high level of importance on stats/medals/achievements are just silly. We think that you people, who are not concerned with the core elements of the gameplay that will be responsible for high replay value and a long lasting community, are silly.

Just a difference of opinion. However, I find it irresponsible for a mod to use their position on the forums to inject their personal opinion sarcastically, and in a place where it does absolutely nothing to help anyone who is experiencing a problem.

Mods are here to help...not make jokes. We have professional comediens for that...The mods here are not professional comediens. We don't want their humor scripts.


hmm... well, last I checked, this was a public forum. That means I get to throw my opinion into any conversation, regardless of whether anyone asked for it.

I never said you shouldn't place a higher importance on statistics. I said (well, implied) that you should not place all importance on statistics. And yes, I agree that stats will improve the longterm enjoyment of the game. But if I were to find anything to be silly, it's when people assume that a temporary problem is actually somehow the first step in Bungie permanently removing the feature. What I'm getting at here is that at some point, the stats are coming back. We don't need to agree on whether they should or must. That stats will be back, and the world will move on. If for some reason, these last few days have been lost, well, it's unfortunate, but it's only a couple of days. Yeah, maybe we lost a game or two that we were really hoping to look at. But in the end, we'll make up for it.

Becoming a moderator doesn't mean that they lost their right to have an opinion. As you have made oh so clear, any member of the forums can use their critical thinking skills to figure out whether they agree with that opinion or not.

And for the record, my pet cricket and I tend to think that moderators should fell free to use humor whenever they want, just as any normal member should.

  • 10.08.2007 1:18 AM PDT
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So, Bungie, which created this ranking and stats system, clearly made a mistake in doing so since this is "Halo 3 the FPS."

Yeah... right.

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Here's a thought, give the guys at Bungie a break. When was the last time you made a game that had almost a million users online and playing at the same time, not to mention keeping stats for all those games? So until you do so, my suggestion is you shut your hole and play, after all its just a game. If you want to look at stats all day I have a better suggestion for you, be a statistician for baseball. The game was meant to be enjoyed and for us to have fun, big frickin' deal if the stats aren't being updated immediately. I am sure that it will be fixed sooner or later. If you are really that worried about the stats go get a job at Bungie to help them fix the problem faster, instead of just complaining about it.

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Never, I've also never been paid to do it either.

I hope it will be fixed. I'm just as cynical about those members telling people to stop complaining as those who complain. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

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Never, I've also never been paid to do it either.

I hope it will be fixed. I'm just as cynical about those members telling people to stop complaining as those who complain. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
But if the wheel is too squeaky, it just might get violently removed with a hammer.

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Posted by: IntrepidMerc420
Just a difference of opinion. However, I find it irresponsible for a mod to use their position on the forums to inject their personal opinion sarcastically, and in a place where it does absolutely nothing to help anyone who is experiencing a problem.

Mods are here to help...not make jokes. We have professional comediens for that...The mods here are not professional comediens. We don't want their humor scripts.

Shame on you. Who are you to tell a moderator that he or she cannot post an opinion? And who are you to attempt to speak for others by saying "we"?

You seem to misunderstand the nature of these forums, so let me clue you in before you embarrass yourself further. Moderators are not robots -- they are regular people like you and me, volunteers, who are trusted to enforce the rules as well as abide by them. They also have opinions and are free to post them in the little time they have between their real lives and keeping these forums clean so people like you can blather on about statistics. Moderators are not here to provide you with tech support or guide you through problems, even though they (and regular members) often do so just to be nice.

I will not even address your hypocrisy in telling aku that he shouldn't be stepping into a "conversation between two people" (on a public forum, no less). I will merely suggest that you take a deep breath, calm down, and perhaps lurk around these forums for several more months before opening your figurative mouth to criticize others again.

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Mods are here to help...not make jokes. We have professional comediens for that...The mods here are not professional comediens. We don't want their humor scripts.

We're volunteers and fans, not your personal servants. These are public forums, and so long as posts abide by the rules they're acceptable no matter who posted them.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Wow.

Would it help if I apologized? No? *shrug* I didn't think so.

I think that the main source of the problem (not the technical problem regarding the stats, but the apparent "what we have here is a failure to communicate" problem) is what people want, expect, and anticipate from this site and the forums (which includes the moderating staff).

Many many members are under the impression (mistaken, but understandable) that this site is intended to provide support for Bungie products and/or services. I'm not a Bungie employee, so I can't say for certain, but I don't think that it is. And that may be the source of this friction. Here's my take on things.

If this site were meant to be a place to officially lodge complaints and request assistance with Bungie products or services, I believe that the url for this site would be "bungie.com". But instead it is "bungie.net". A small difference, a subtle difference, I know. I admit that it is easy to miss or to misinterpret. But here is my reasoning.

A dot.com site is about business. It is about someone selling, promoting, offering, or providing something. A product or a service. A dot.org site or a dot.net site are not (typically) intended to be so "business-like". For example, "halo.bungie.org" is a wonderful and incredibly robust fan community site that is hosted and run by a group of dedicated fans. Likewise, "bungie.net" is (in my opinion) a fan community site that is intended to be used and enjoyed by the fans, but the site is provided and managed by Bungie themselves.

Now that might confuse or ruffle some members feathers. But hang on, I will try to explain. The management of this site (Achronos, Frankie, Luke, Sketch and so on) fall under the mantle of "Bungie Community". Not sales, not marketing, not support.... Community. While it could be argued that this site is "one HUGE advertisement for Halo and Bungie products...." look around. Is it really? Banner ads anywhere? "Buy here" links? Or do you see stories that could have been (and in many cases are) by anyone who is a fan of the game?

Let's take a look at the front page of Bungie.Net and another game dev-site that ends in "dot.com". Maybe it is just me, but the wealth of articles on the front page of this site are focused on not selling more titles, but in helping the community to get more out of the game, to share with fans things that are going on, and are (again, to me) much more "hey guys, we've got something to share with you" conversational tone between friends.

Go to the other site and click on any of the games. I see a little link there that says "buy". I don't see that sort of direct and overt marketing happening on this site. I see the company interacting with the fans. Because (if you ask me) the "company" guys that bring us this site? They are fans TOO!

The member who stated that I was abusing my position and not a comedian, that I am here to help people.... I think that he may (I won't presume to say that I know for sure) be under the impression that this site is more a "dot.com" than a "dot.net". After all, I do remember a while back that he posted a support request (multiple times into multiple forums if memory serves) asking for support with his WLID and gamertag linking. Even made "where the hell are the mods?" questions. That appears to me, to be an expectation of service and support. Well, I may have contributed to this misunderstanding, because I actually replied and gave an support-type reply. This reinforced the mistaken assumption. I apologize.

But this site (and the moderators) are not support. Not tech support (follow the support links at the top and you will see that we're not listed) and not emotional support (everyone of us has seen what THAT job requires!). so what is this site and what are the moderators?

This is a fan community site. Period. We are ALL the fan community. Bungie provides this site (much like a city council will provide a park or playground), and they let us play in it. If we form groups.... not their concern. If we sit around singing "kumbaya"... they'll sneer, but not interfere. But nowhere on this playground is there an office to speak with public works, the city council chambers, building permits, public relations, business development,or the court. You see, the "City Council" doesn't operate out of "our park".

So, what do we have here? Fans. Some fans have been asked to watch over things, keep an eye on things, call in the cops (the REAL ones) if things get completely out of hand. Do we do any of the City's business? Not one bit. Are we employed by the city? Nope, we're volunteers. Do we provide any assitance or support? Other than offering to help someone who has fallen off of the slide, breaking up fights, and telling people to "play nice".... nope, not one bit.

Do some of the other kids on the playground consider us to be bullies? Perhaps. Do some consider us to be full of ourselves and our "crossing guard vests"? Probably. Do some of the kids think that we are the law? Possibly. Do we ever buy into our own hype or ego? Not on your life. It's one of the reasons that I make jokes. (sure, they're probably bad, but you didn't pay for admission) I joke to show that I don't take myself or any of the problems in this playground all that seriously. Because it IS a playground. People can decide to make it their world, but in order to do so, they have to deliberately ignore what is outside of the fence.

Woah. I think that I got too deep into the analogy. Where was I?

Oh right. Moderators.

We're not support. This site is not support. This site is not sales. This site is not marketing. This site is, and we moderators are... community. If anyone makes any comment or statement, it is under that framework.

You want polished and true professionalism from me? Come see me at my real job. (yes, I actually have one of those)

You want sarcasm, poor humor and relaxed banter as if I were among friends? That is what I do here.

*straightens crossing guard vest* Well, that and a little bit more.


TLDR. I'll sum it up-

"I'm sorry and you're right. Stating that anyone who cares about stats is playing the RPG version of Halo 3 is just ignorance. I don't know why I wrote that. Again, I apologize. Bungie made a FPS and Bungie put the stats in. Obviously, they intended for them to work. I don't know what I was posting about...honestly, no clue...so again, excuse me."

I'm sure that's what it said pretty much anyway. Anything else, and I don't want to see the rhetoric anyway...

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: IntrepidMerc420
TLDR. I'll sum it up-

"I'm sorry and you're right. Stating that anyone who cares about stats is playing the RPG version of Halo 3 is just ignorance. I don't know why I wrote that. Again, I apologize. Bungie made a FPS and Bungie put the stats in. Obviously, they intended for them to work. I don't know what I was posting about...honestly, no clue...so again, excuse me."

I'm sure that's what it said pretty much anyway. Anything else, and I don't want to see the rhetoric anyway...
lol, what a cop-out. If you didn't want to apologize for being both naive and overly blustery, then your better option would have been to not respond at all -- much like you did with my post. Please don't troll, dude.

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Right. Because you're a mod. I'm not.

End of discussion.

We have less than 250,000 online for over 2 days now and the sticky thread on the issue is growing to almost 30 pages already.

So obviously, this issue is important to many. That was the original point, and nothing has changed. Has nothing to do with a FPS/RPG identity crisis and it's grinding the community to a halt.

[Edited on 10.08.2007 9:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.08.2007 9:40 PM PDT

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No, I will not join your group. I don't care if "i saw u on the forum."

Recon... I like you!

That said, have some patience duder. Stats'll show, and if not, you can make some more.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
[And that is what I am doing now. Oh, I am sure that you will see the grave injustice in this. That a "voice of the people is once more being silenced."

Far be it from me to do anything that alters your world view. See you in a month. Maybe then both the problem and you will have resolved their respective issues.

This would explain where those posts of Merc's went.

Not that I was entirely shocked...

What shocks me is I'm still around. I mean, geeze. you guys slackin' off or something? ;)

  • 10.09.2007 10:58 AM PDT