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Oh my God! I forgot the game with the best story of all!

  • 06.06.2004 8:41 PM PDT
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I voted for Marathon
Halo has a good story for a FPS, Marathon has a great story for a FPS.
I really wish that the people who only know about Halo wouldn't vote.

  • 06.06.2004 8:49 PM PDT
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Marathon has the best story ever.

  • 06.06.2004 8:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tomtomtom1990
Think about this... Could you write TWO novels COMPLETELY outside of a game like Marathon, or Myth? I voted for Halo, even though it's the only Bungie game i've ever played. Maybe it's just becuase I enjoy futristic stuff, but stuff that isn't stupid, and unrealistic, like Red Faction 2. Also from the quotes I'm hearing from you guys, Marathon saounds like LOTR fantasy, and I HATE that crap. =)

You're being ignorant in your judgement. In case you didn't know, Halo and Marathon are very similar, and some fans have even been trying to connect the two stories together. And believe us when we say you could write two novels each on Marathon and Myth.

  • 06.06.2004 9:02 PM PDT
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Marathon ~several computer terminals per level that help move along the plot, and there are 3 of them~

Marathon has a lot of plot, but that doesnt mean it's better.


  • 06.06.2004 9:38 PM PDT
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What do you prefer then?

  • 06.06.2004 10:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fury161

By the way, just thought I'd edit this becuase reading through the posting three people came across to me as being reasonable, intelligent people who are fighting for an obscurity in the face of comformity (Or marathon and myth in the face of halo) and these three are D Von, Ghandi 2 and Jjarro (who has a funky quote), for me, these three represent the peak of common sense and are totally not your average Joe who bases a game on the sheer viceral content but actually goes deeper and creates an experience mainly from the stories.
After all, what is an game without a story, you can play a text based game and enjoy the lack of graphics. You try to play a brainless shoot 'em up and you cannot get anywhere near the levels of enjoyment because the graphics don't matter, it is story which pulls you in rather than having the sweetest graphics.


::comes running in, panting::

sorry i'm late to the party Fury. ;)

I voted Marathon but it was a difficult choice between it and PiD. nothing made my skill crawl more than slowly creeping around that pyramid holding a 60 year old luger and talking to dead people. Dead poeple who couldn't remember their names, who could recall their horrible deaths, who would describe horrible, demented creatures that you had yet to see, and describe the horrible sounds and the gnashing teeth and . . . .

bungie telling you abouot Brutes: you know you should be scared, but you've seen them in pictures, and you're not all that frightened.

But when a dead person tells you of some creature, a creature that only your imagination can conjure up, and then you can hear its screams from around the corner . . . . that's creepy.

to that day, talking to the dead ppl remains, IMHO, the best way to get story across. However, I felt somewhat let down by the ending: i felt like it ignored some of the stories lines it had built up by the time it ended (kinda like Evangalion).

Marathon though, with its three parts, and its text terminals, had story like nothing else. Oh the header at the top? yah, that line of symbols is actually similiar to a macintosh memory error found on the Apple IIc model: this could signify that the AI construct has run into an overflow error, that may have resulted by attempting to comtemplated its own existence . . . . that's something you might find a bungie fan discussing when it came to marathon. subtle. minor. but brilliant.

Halo has a great story: but the method of story deliver made it way too easy to miss its nuances. It was too easy to just kinda watch the cinematics, and let it do its business. About all you could really do is go "hmmm, is Cortana rampant? Who is the reclaimer? where did the flood came from?" But marathon things were more plentiful, the questions everywhere. The hundreds of armless, legless bobs floating in the hanger bay? erie. the human-like admiral of the Phor? oddly familar. who am i? who was fighting and winning on the colony planetside?

(myth too, i felt, by being delivered through cutscenes made it a little harder to take at anything more than straight face value, though i did love the journey man's journal and the unit descriptions. )

I appreciate those in this thread who have supported halo well; those that have supported halo without much thinking- shame on you! :P And for those who are atttempting to play the old classics: keep trying! you'll never regret it! PiD, marathon, and myth are cliassics that deserve their own hall of fame.

In defense of Halo, i loved the GS swamp level cinematic.

I happened to be playing that alone, in the dark, on a big tv, with sound up . . . when marty's music kicked in, the doors locked, and the FLood, err, Flooded in. . . . i was scared -blam!-less. Thank you bungie for a great cinematic!!!!

i guess in conclusion, i prefer things to not be given so blatantly. I want something i can sit and comlteplate, not something that simply proposes a question, but something that maybe could be answered? Cinematics are great and all, but the terminals were better. Maybe a balance? ;)

Oh, and if any modders are out there: mod Marathon and PiD into Halo!

-Jäger

  • 06.06.2004 11:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: KLUN
YOU FORGOT GNOP!!!!!!!!


AND OMG MINATUAR!!!!!!! OMG!!!!

O:-)

if you could direct me to where i could get Gnop, i'd appreciate it. so far, i've had to settle with my own home made version of Gnop (thank you java).

Seriously though, minatuar is one FUN game! except its kinda hard to play nawadays. . . . macintosh only. . . OS OLD . . . LAN only. yah. that's right. no single player. hehe.

and it had the hammer MJOLNIR in it, and Durandal the sword. and it had "yell" when you chatted (i think he even did the "hey!" when you sent a message.)

oh okay, so it didn't have a story . . . but it was cool O:-)

-Jäger

  • 06.06.2004 11:47 PM PDT

Send me out with a bang...

Man... I've only played halo... and read eric nylunds books. I loved those books so much. Anyways my point is I don't think id be able to get the feel of a games plot from its bio or info page... ya know you have to play read at the same time to get the feeling like that guy said about the dead talking about whats to come added with the sounds. I enjoy halos plot alot... wondering what the forunners did to themselves, What the covenant is looking for from said forunners and if you count the books... the fate of the other spartans and Dr.Halsey as well as Cortana will her A.I live or die... Perhaps thats not plot points but characters instead that I love. Either way I still vote for halo because I know i'll never know those other stories unless they make a new game. For console... lol never cared for pc games myself. Anyways also glad to hear someone say evangelion was good but ending felt cheated hear that bungie!!! make sure halo3 raps things up! lol. Or even better.... keeps things going and going.... :)

  • 06.07.2004 3:36 AM PDT
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Every time i read about the Marathon games, i want to play them more! I love a game with story, but i think everyone should remember here, that Halo's story was probably rushed as well as everything else, and still managed to amaze (read the halo.bungie.org story pages, for yee of little faith).

Anyway, I should be able to play the Marathon games soon. I am really looking forward to it, and then i hope to appreciate this amazing community better.

Also, i was wondering, is Marathon under rated? I can't remember seeing in features on it in retro sections of magazines or hearing it greatly praised for being a ground-breaking FPS which it obviously was. Maybe its just because im in Britain, and USA mags rant about it instead of Doom, etc.

And, finally, i still stand by my idea of a 'Bungie Classic' game. Lots of companies with lesser back-catalogues release collections of their older games in one disk, usually at a decent price. For PC or XBox, im not picky, but imagine a disk with Marathon Infinity, Myth, Oni and...er...Gnop! all on one brilliant disk. If it were released around the same time as Halo 2 (which will undoubtedly attract even more new fans) it would sell like copies of Braveheart in my native Scotland ( i.e. lots of copies =) ).

Did i mention Bungie rules? Here's a reminder: Bungie rules!

  • 06.07.2004 9:07 AM PDT
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HEY JAGER! Here is some info about Durandal and why he is a sword in Minotaur!

Durandal is the name of a sword belonging to the French Knight Roland in French Mythology. The legend goes that Roland was the rear guard for the King Charlemagne and his party came under attack from the Saracens. However, he refused to call for help and eventually his rearguard was beaten but he did not want Durandal to fall into enemy hands to he tried to break it on a rock but it was invincible so he through it in a poisened stream instead. This leads itself to an interesting quote of Durandal's

"Durandan, Durandal, Durandana.
Charlemagne used to always call me Durandana, the fruitcake. All the many implements of war to him were in some way feminine. Not that you know the story.
Tycho never got it right either, especially the part about Roland breaking me. He couldn't.
No one can"

It is interesting how Bungie incorperates all these things into their games and makes them unique in many respects.

'Here endeth the lesson'

[Edited on 6/7/2004 2:26:00 PM]

  • 06.07.2004 2:24 PM PDT
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Forgot to say that I believe that in Norse mythology, the Viking God Thor had a hammer and that was called Mjölnir.

So that explains the hammer and the sword who's names transcend into different games.



[Edited on 6/7/2004 2:37:10 PM]

  • 06.07.2004 2:30 PM PDT
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Whoever voted Halo clearly hasn't played Marathon.


how to get Marathon when its MAC only? or is it been ported to MS pc's?

and the above post, about mjolnir, thors hammer, I knew that for a long time. though I forgot the name he game to his shield/armor. it seemed a good name for my upcoming story...

[Edited on 6/7/2004 2:53:18 PM]

  • 06.07.2004 2:51 PM PDT
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Get Aleph One.

  • 06.07.2004 2:53 PM PDT
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The story in Halo is told more interactively through the gameplay then marathon. Also the truth and reconcilliation level is made up of many ideas which meet in a curious and somewhat entrancing conclusion which left me breathless and a little scared. I only wanted to address all of you guys. I hope you understand the SECRET MEANING OF HALO. I was amazed when i heard it.

  • 06.07.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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I happen to not agree with you. Anyways, somone who actually played Marathon and voted for Halo is quite the rarity.

  • 06.07.2004 3:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pelican Echo 419

how to get Marathon when its MAC only? or is it been ported to MS pc's?

and the above post, about mjolnir, thors hammer, I knew that for a long time. though I forgot the name he game to his shield/armor. it seemed a good name for my upcoming story...


Check out Aleph One. I don't have windows so i can't really walk you through it, but I believe it requires getting the macintosh version of Marathon (which is dirt cheap) and then downloading Aleph One, which has done a lot of modernization and added features onto it. M2 was the only Marathon ported to windows. since then, the rest have been open sourced (and thus now playable by linux and windows).

http://source.bungie.org/ i think this is where you need to be.

you wo'nt regret it. its funny, how we've been flouting marathon's great single player. Truthfully, it has a MP that rivals Halo :) . . . ah .. . . the good ol' days (and it had myth style replays as well. hehe).

I'm waiting to see Aegis make a showing, Zues's armor. This was the strongest armor found in Minatuar. Though I guess Aegis is too mainstream for bungie: unlike the stories of Cortana and Roland. Roland was an idiot. i had to read that once, and i hated that story, lol. no wonder durandal was so bitter . . .

Is there anyone out there who has played minatuar recently? That'd be a great game to be ported to java for free online play . . . .

-Jäger

  • 06.07.2004 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheGoldElite
The story in Halo is told more interactively through the gameplay then marathon. Also the truth and reconcilliation level is made up of many ideas which meet in a curious and somewhat entrancing conclusion which left me breathless and a little scared. I only wanted to address all of you guys. I hope you understand the SECRET MEANING OF HALO. I was amazed when i heard it.


IMHO, Halo was more like a movie that you watch, and are given the story at face value, and then when the "story elements" are through you're given back control. much of the first half was just your average objectives, save this, blow this up. which is partly what helped make it soooo shocking when all of the sudden where we given "story." go figure.

Marathon was more interactive, in the sense for me, that I wasn't spoonfed what was going on. I felt like i was in th emiddle of something, something big, but something I wasn'tn allowed to f ully grasp. I was a tool, a pawn in something bigger, something of deeper meaning. our MC in halo was suppose to be a pawn, but he always knew fairly well what was going on (even if he didn't know the "full" picture). the monitor had very little real control of MC. his only real control over him was misinformation. which cortana helped to clear up in two betrayals.

One of halo's greatest story elements was the monitor's babblings as you fought. that was well done. but there was very little of that kind of story going on, too much of it was the typical "here is your objectives, kill aliens." But I respect anyone who can defend their position on halo: it was a very worthy story!

unfortunately, most of the halo speculation (see halo's story pages on HBO) is mostly the purpose of the structure, the meaning of the monitor's random phrases and generally misunderstandings.

if you check out marathon's story pages (or PiD for tha tmatter) you get something bigger. something more confusing. ::shrugs:: Let's be thankful bungie has always been delivering great stuff that we can argue over!
-Jäger

  • 06.07.2004 3:46 PM PDT
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Well, they have been delivering stuff we can argue over since 1993. Gnop, Minotaur and ODS werent things you can really argue over.

  • 06.07.2004 4:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ninja Steve
Also, i was wondering, is Marathon under rated? I can't remember seeing in features on it in retro sections of magazines or hearing it greatly praised for being a ground-breaking FPS which it obviously was. Maybe its just because im in Britain, and USA mags rant about it instead of Doom, etc.

And, finally, i still stand by my idea of a 'Bungie Classic' game. Lots of companies with lesser back-catalogues release collections of their older games in one disk, usually at a decent price. For PC or XBox, im not picky, but imagine a disk with Marathon Infinity, Myth, Oni and...er...Gnop! all on one brilliant disk. If it were released around the same time as Halo 2 (which will undoubtedly attract even more new fans) it would sell like copies of Braveheart in my native Scotland ( i.e. lots of copies =) ).

Did i mention Bungie rules? Here's a reminder: Bungie rules!


Marathon is underrated. Marathon is a huge macintosh game. that's why its so little heard anywhere, outside of Mac forums. There was a huge poll thingy at GameSpy(?) polling dozens of games against each other, and marathon was put against Doom. Everyone who had played marathon knew it was a million times better. Yet Doom won b/c most had never even heard of marathon. In short, it spiraled into a Mac Vs. PC voting shoot-out.

Bungie was a big mac developer. M2 was the first game ported to windows. how many times can that be said? Marathon is a comptemperry of doom (M1 can out on mac before doom came out for mac). Bungie, a long time ago, put out the Mac Action Sack. it had a collection of all their old stuff (most of it anyways): it has Minatuar, PiD, Abuse, M1, M2, and M∞, and the Myth Demo. It missed Gnop, WeekendWarrior, and the Desert Storm game that supposedly preceedd minatuar. To put this out again would require quite a bit of reporgramming for today's computers, and a porting job to get it to windows. I would play top dollar for something like that! Unfortunately, bungie is fully enveloped with Halo2, and i'm sure they don't have tim eto eve consider having lawyers outsource the work involved. a pity. I'm sure there would be a market of Halo1 and Halo2 fans willing to see "the roots" of bungie in action. Don't ya think?

btw, i apoligize to everyone in this thread for posting way too much. i can't help myself :( (i'm busy procratinating much more important work).

-Ɗger

  • 06.07.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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Halo is the king of all games and Halo 2 will be the overlord of the universe

  • 06.07.2004 6:07 PM PDT
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i just wanted to say that i got marathon today, because of all of this. it has, by far, one of the best stories in a game, ever. and i'm only a couple levels into it. anybody who voted for halo does not even know what a story is, compared to marathon.

that is all.

  • 06.07.2004 6:43 PM PDT
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Shishka I think marathon is a load of crap it is stuiped game compared to halo and
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  • 06.07.2004 6:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: zachling
i just wanted to say that i got marathon today, because of all of this. it has, by far, one of the best stories in a game, ever. and i'm only a couple levels into it. anybody who voted for halo does not even know what a story is, compared to marathon.



Honestly, I spent today scavenging for my Mac Action Sac. I just now found it and loaded up all the Marathons, DLed Alpeh One, and am ready to take it for a spin. Except can any Aleph One vets tell me if Marathon 1 works with it? I have a feeling I need to play on an OS 9 machine to play M1 . . . . ::shrugs:: oh well, its worth it!
(silly g5 with no os 9. yargh).

  • 06.07.2004 7:01 PM PDT