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Subject: Confess your age, don't hide in the shadows.

Thats a bold statement from someone who yet to have his balls drop in the sack.

  • 10.17.2007 10:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: FeelierBrute
Posted by: a lone frog
Hell, at least I'm mature enough to realize that stereotypes are bad! Don't immediately judge someone just because of their age, race, gender, etc.
I totally agree.


Wow if you say mature then fine think you are but you sure are stupid. You agree with him saying not to judge by stereotypes but what did you do on the first page? You set a stereotype that all 18+ are the same. Good job. Didn't even bother reading the last few pages not enough time but yeah, try to practice what you agree with :)

  • 10.17.2007 10:02 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC



Halo 3 is rated M

  • 10.17.2007 10:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Xx Short Bus xX
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Xenophon. So would you take issue with me running up to my mother at 7, and crying, telling her i'm going to hell. She asked why, to which I replied "Because when they kill people on tv I don't care but when they hurt animals I get really upset!".

I was much more connected to animals as well as a child. I think most little kids are. Ever read The Wire Mother? I think it may have something to do with the underlying dynamic contained there.

Could you guess I had an interesting time in the military?
I was 11B from 86 to 94 and did a tour in Iraq as a PC in 2004.

Excellent literature reference, but could there be exceptions? Born warriors, built to destroy other humans for "state, or military" purposes?
The Ender's Game defense? Hard sell man.

  • 10.17.2007 10:04 AM PDT
Subject: Confess your age, don't hide in the shadows.

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Posted by: full metal 101


i agree,but, i dont agree on the younger ones not being able to play the game.its rated M so you have to be 17+ to buy it, but not play it. i bought it for my little brothers and there 9 and 10,there smart enough to know the violence in the game are fake and that its wrong to do in real life, i just think its wrong to hold them back from the world of halo and all the fun that it brings just because there younger.


Tell it to Kip Kinkel's victims.

  • 10.17.2007 10:11 AM PDT
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Look, I do feel sympathy for the things who have experienced (or say you have experienced), but I still feel that the manner in which you made your point was insensitive. You ask me by what authority I criticize you? I will tell you this, I, as a citizen of my country, have certain rights alloted to me. Don't misunderstand me, my aim is not to be critical of you, but rather to maybe convince you that just because I am younger, doesn't mean that I'm too immature to understand and play halo as a responsible person. Maybe your experience playing halo has made you believe that all the younger people are too immature to play and comprehend halo and its content. And trust me, I agree with you that many of them are. Many people that I know that are my age aren't very mature, but by the same token, there are a lot that are. I'm completely okay with some of your claims, but please don't make the mistake of ignorantly labeling groups of people, be it age, race, nationality, etc, as stupid or immature. You say you have much more life experience, which I agree with, but honestly, don't judge so harshly.

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Intel specialist, OSW, OIF, OEF, CJSOTF HOA... PC from 03-05... Lazy Govt. Contractor now...


Excellent literature reference, but could there be exceptions? Born warriors, built to destroy other humans for "state, or military" purposes?[/quote]
The Ender's Game defense? Hard sell man.


I know, tough sell.. definitely not a discussion for a Bungie forum I suppose.

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Posted by: octavius
Look, I do feel sympathy for the things who have experienced (or say you have experienced),

Sympathy? SYMPATHY? I revel in my life! I have done things the average schlep can only dream of. I had an E-8 who used to love to scream the he was "The total package, baby!" I never understood him until I got there. I love who I am and the totality of experience that has brought me to where I am. I am grateful for every kiss and every scar. They make me, me.

but I still feel that the manner in which you made your point was insensitive. You ask me by what authority I criticize you? I will tell you this, I, as a citizen of my country, have certain rights alloted to me.
Right, you have been GIVEN. I EARNED my rights, over and over. That which is earned is more dear, and of greater consequence.

Don't misunderstand me, my aim is not to be critical of you, but rather to maybe convince you that just because I am younger, doesn't mean that I'm too immature to understand and play halo as a responsible person. Maybe your experience playing halo has made you believe that all the younger people are too immature to play and comprehend halo and its content. And trust me, I agree with you that many of them are. Many people that I know that are my age aren't very mature, but by the same token, there are a lot that are.
No, there aren't. You may be a good kid, but you just don't have the mojo, not yet. Go get some college, go get some military experience, preferably Army or USMC combat arms, go date a perfectly insane big t11tted red head or two, get you life game sharpened and then we can talk man to man. I have faith that anyone can do it if they strive hard enough, but you aren't there yet. Yet.

I'm completely okay with some of your claims, but please don't make the mistake of ignorantly labeling groups of people, be it age, race, nationality, etc, as stupid or immature. You say you have much more life experience, which I agree with, but honestly, don't judge so harshly.
I am neither ignorant nor harsh. You need to apply a bit more Socratic method and theory to your life.

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Posted by: Xx Short Bus xX
Intel specialist, OSW, OIF, OEF, CJSOTF HOA... PC from 03-05... Lazy Govt. Contractor now...
I know, tough sell.. definitely not a discussion for a Bungie forum I suppose.


Ha hah, intel weenie! Just kidding man. They need smileys here. Personally I think bungie.net is absolutely the place, mainly because I see myself here as a missionary going to 1700s Africa might. Know what I mean?

  • 10.17.2007 10:59 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

I'm 12.

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53 years old...


I also race RC cars.........pretty good at it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzo-cBEnE0c

  • 10.17.2007 12:12 PM PDT

"I agree OP. I, too, love feeling superior to others and enjoy the sensation of belonging to an imaginary elitist group on the internet."

*raises hand*

OOOH! OH! PICK ME TEACHER!

*picks me*

Well, I just have one thing to add to the subject...

WE'RE ALL HUMAN! No matter how old you are, how awesome you are, how much -blam!- you have been through, you are still human. People make the generalization that people below the age of 18 are immature and unkind. Well, there are still some that are the exception, not the rule, like octavius and I.

If you step back, look at the world for what it is, you will come upon THIS general idea....

"Humans suck"

Yeah, that's right. I just insulted an entire species. Well, it's true. If you want to start making all these generalizations, such as "under 18 year olds are immature" and "I've been through tough times, so I have the right to insult anyone who dissagrees with me" you can make this generalization.

"But wait, Mr. King", you may ask, "That means you AND me both suck! That's offensive!"

AHA! Well, if that generalization was offensive to you because it protrayed you in a negative way, then that means that ANY negative generalization should be discredited. Including this rambling about minors!

So I do indeed hope that I have educated you and possibly even changed your opinion on the subject. But in reality, I have to assume the possition that you are all ready to reply to me in a negative way. Oh well.

As to you XENOPHON627, you shouldn't impose your so-called "wisdom" on others. You believe that you have been through a lot, and thus this makes you the major authority on life. It doesn't. All you have stated is a generalization and a plethora of opinions. Everyone has an opinion, and they have the right to share it without people bringing them down.

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Posted by: FinalKing23
*raises hand*

OOOH! OH! PICK ME TEACHER!

*picks me*

Well, I just have one thing to add to the subject...

WE'RE ALL HUMAN! No matter how old you are, how awesome you are, how much -blam!- you have been through, you are still human. People make the generalization that people below the age of 18 are immature and unkind. Well, there are still some that are the exception, not the rule, like octavius and I.

If you step back, look at the world for what it is, you will come upon THIS general idea....

"Humans suck"

Yeah, that's right. I just insulted an entire species. Well, it's true. If you want to start making all these generalizations, such as "under 18 year olds are immature" and "I've been through tough times, so I have the right to insult anyone who dissagrees with me" you can make this generalization.

"But wait, Mr. King", you may ask, "That means you AND me both suck! That's offensive!"

AHA! Well, if that generalization was offensive to you because it protrayed you in a negative way, then that means that ANY negative generalization should be discredited. Including this rambling about minors!

So I do indeed hope that I have educated you and possibly even changed your opinion on the subject. But in reality, I have to assume the possition that you are all ready to reply to me in a negative way. Oh well.

As to you XENOPHON627

Was there a point to this?

  • 10.17.2007 12:46 PM PDT

"I agree OP. I, too, love feeling superior to others and enjoy the sensation of belonging to an imaginary elitist group on the internet."

Well, I'm sorry to see that the wall of text has scared you. Let me simplify it:

- The generalization that minors are immature can easily be proven wrong. Do not try and validate what is already false.
- Your "wisdom" is not at all true. You see, you have no wisdom. All you did was try and validate a false opinion, as stated NOT to above. You also stated the opinion that minors have no credibility. This is also false. I will not go into it, as it is obvious why.

That help? No? Ok, let's try the easiest version:

Shut up. Sit down. And stop trying to be smart. It's obscene.

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Posted by: octavius
Look, I do feel sympathy for the things who have experienced (or say you have experienced),


Sympathy? SYMPATHY? I revel in my life! I have done things the average schlep can only dream of. I had an E-8 who used to love to scream the he was "The total package, baby!" I never understood him until I got there. I love who I am and the totality of experience that has brought me to where I am. I am grateful for every kiss and every scar. They make me, me.

sorry, wrong choice of words. I meant that I respect the fact that you did that for your country, and also, a lot of veterans don't look at their experience as "desireable." I'll reply once I'm 25 and traveled the world kickin' ass. lol. I hope you got something out of this.

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Posted by: XENOPHON627
Posted by: octavius
[quote] I'm completely okay with some of your claims, but please don't make the mistake of ignorantly labeling groups of people, be it age, race, nationality, etc, as stupid or immature. You say you have much more life experience, which I agree with, but honestly, don't judge so harshly.

I am neither ignorant nor harsh. You need to apply a bit more Socratic method and theory to your life.


I'm not calling you ignorant, I'm just saying that it makes you sound that way.

  • 10.17.2007 1:39 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: FinalKing23
Well, I'm sorry to see that the wall of text has scared you. Let me simplify it:

- The generalization that minors are immature can easily be proven wrong. Do not try and validate what is already false.
- Your "wisdom" is not at all true. You see, you have no wisdom. All you did was try and validate a false opinion, as stated NOT to above. You also stated the opinion that minors have no credibility. This is also false. I will not go into it, as it is obvious why.

That help? No? Ok, let's try the easiest version:

Shut up. Sit down. And stop trying to be smart. It's obscene.

Generalizations exist for a reason. While saying ALL people under 18 are immature is false, it is not false that the majority of people under 18 are immature. There are exceptions to every rule, but they are exactly that, exceptions.

Your attempt at a witty retort only makes you look as bad as the person you were trying to insult.

The only thing I agree with in your posts is the example you used to try and explain the dangers of generalizations. Its true that humans do suck. That can be proven.

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Posted by: FinalKing23
Well, I'm sorry to see that the wall of text has scared you. Let me simplify it:

Please do.
- The generalization that minors are immature can easily be proven wrong.
Go for it. Show me. Give me some actual proof.

Do not try and validate what is already false.
I have not and will not. I want you to support your contention that demonstrably is so, however.

- Your "wisdom" is not at all true.
Again, go for it. How is my wisdom unwise?

You see, you have no wisdom.
Several state medical boards disagree with you, but do go on.

All you did was try and validate a false opinion, as stated NOT to above.
If my contention is false, show it to be so. Your opinions are not proof. Little horse's a$$es setting fire to their siblings and blowing off their fingers with fireworks is proof of my statements.

You also stated the opinion that minors have no credibility. This is also false. I will not go into it, as it is obvious why.

Oh, no,no,no. I need you to state the obvious here.

That help? No? Ok, let's try the easiest version:

Shut up. Sit down.

Wow. I bet you are the captain of the extra chromosome debate team.

And stop trying to be smart. It's obscene.
Obscene? Really? Ah, thank you. I needed a good laugh. I just got the bill for my aircraft's repair for a bird strike and I have been sad all day. Your post made me a laugh. A little, anyway.

I look forward to further bizarre, pathetic, obtuse, and at best mediocre ramblings from you. Please give me some more. I want to show my friends the mental abilities of the future of America.

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Posted by: octavius
I'm not calling you ignorant, I'm just saying that it makes you sound that way.

So my posession of superior experience and knowledge makes me sound ignorant? Gotcha. I will try my best to sound like a mildly retarded stoned surfer in future so that I may garner your respect.

  • 10.17.2007 2:04 PM PDT

Good, bad, I'm the guy with the clichéd lines.

I'm 21. And as long as you aren't screaming about chocolate milk into the mic I don't care how old you are when playing.

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Posted by: kojirodensetsu
I'm 21. And as long as you aren't screaming about chocolate milk into the mic I don't care how old you are when playing.


As long as they play right and aren't a jerk, I concur.

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Dude, chill out. Damn, I'm trying to agree with you, but I'm just saying that saying things like that don't always go over well with people. You mentioned something about the debate team to FinalKing, but you're wrong, I'm on the debate team, not him. lol.

  • 10.17.2007 2:51 PM PDT

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print chr(36),"x=",chr(39),$x,chr(39),";\n",$x;

I work at Microsoft. I have nothing to do with Halo and nothing I say is "the official word".

Posted by: a lone frog
I wholly agree! I'm 14, and I bet I'm more mature than most of the people who play this game.

Agreed

I'm 17 here, and I always get annoyed when people complain that they are hardcore halo fans and don't want to be annoyed by the under 16 group when they're in matchmaking. Often I hear people say that they're 18-20 and don't think younger players should be able to play a mature rated game, and I'm always reminded that when Halo 1 came out that makes them 12-14, which is "too young" for a mature rated game. I know I was playing Halo 1 when it came out lol.

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