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One thing that annoyed me was that I didn't even get an email.

More information will be sent to you soon

By this i thought they'd send an email saying something like:
Thank you for your efforts to unlock the Forerunner database etc

But they didn't even bother communicating in any way!
Being in the UK all the servers were quite late at night for me and I stayed up for server 3 (the one I helped unlock) because I looked on the server monitor and saw it was pending. I wanted to be there whilst a server unlocked at least once through iris and decided that it would be best to do it then.

  • 10.24.2007 3:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Alavastre
So you just want people to just roll over and get what's given to them? Even on a site dedicated to a community, in which sponsored the ARG in question?

No, I said that I don't understand the issue and hoped that I was misunderstanding. I thought that I had stated that clearly.

Posted by: Alavastre
This is where the ARG happened, so isn't it a logical place to have this thread?

I also said that I didn't participate in the ARG, so I was pretty certain that I didn't have all of the facts. Your statements however confuse me. I was unaware that Bungie.Net either "sponsored" nor was I aware that "this is where it happened". I know that members of the fan community that were participating in the event were using this site and these forums as a meeting place and a way to share thoughts, ideas and theories. But the link that you have drawn of sponsorship and location and concluded ownership and responsibility... I didn't see that myself, and I am not sure that it is accurate. Are you so sure of your facts?

Posted by: Alavastre
We had no control over what the ARG was, and we wouldn't have even asked for the swag that was sent, but it was sent anyway. So if this is not the right place, where is?

Was this or was this not related to events elsewhere and on an entirely separate site (or collection of sites) that was not on this domain? As I said previously and am repeating again, I don't know the details of this, but am confused by the hostility and animosity towards this site regarding the event. So I am asking questions in order to better understand.

How can that be interpreted as "telling people to roll over"? I am trying to understand the problem here (and have clearly indicated that I don't know), I am asking questions. But in matters related to this site and the usage of these forums, I know what I know and explained how these forums can and cannot be used.

How is this a problem?


Sorry, I wasn't trying to sound hostile, just point out the fact that to the people who want this issue resolved, there is no other logical place to post their frustrations. Apparently, while I was gone all your questions were answered...hopefully. Honestly, we're clueless as to what to do. Actually it doesn't even effect me, I didn't unlock anything.

As for the rolling over comment, you sounded as if this wasn't the place to talk about these problems, and that this site had nothing to do with the ARG, which is totally false. This is where it started with AdjutantReflex posting in the forums. So that's all I'm saying, this is as good enough place, or the best place to vent these issues. Of course ultimately that isn't my decision.

  • 10.24.2007 5:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Alavastre
This is where it started with AdjutantReflex posting in the forums. So that's all I'm saying, this is as good enough place, or the best place to vent these issues.
Posted by: AdjutantReflex
This will be a good place to begin.
:)

[Edited on 10.24.2007 6:11 AM PDT]

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Posted by: AnalogWeapon
Posted by: Alavastre
This is where it started with AdjutantReflex posting in the forums. So that's all I'm saying, this is as good enough place, or the best place to vent these issues.
Posted by: AdjutantReflex
This will be a good place to begin.
:)


Indeed my friend. Indeed.

  • 10.24.2007 8:07 AM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

My parents often say I should have been a lawyer too and not have "wasted my time" on these videogames.

My phrasing was such because I cannot give details of such interactions between us and Microsoft, especially given our new status. Suffice it to say that things do not always go as planned, but ultimately we can only offer guidance and advice when we are in a creative role on something, not in a managing role. That is a long way of saying that helping to author the content of the ARG is not the same thing as running it. During the actual execution of the ARG, we were still making Halo 3. By the time the "smoke cleared" such as it was, there was nothing that we could to do to deal with whatever issues people had.

Again, I'm not denying it is somewhat lame to have a fun little game be sullied with logistical problems. All I can do is say that sometimes, even though we hear your issues loud and clear, we cannot always resolve the issue to your satisfaction. Further explanation is inappropriate for this venue, and yes, I know that is frustrating. All I can say is that we'll try to make sure something like it doesn't happen again. Sometimes, that's the best we can do.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Ha, you should've been a lawyer :-)

Does saying that it's "not necessarily a valid assumption" mean that you HAVE tried? If you have, then why not just say so? It might help if you just tell us, "We called 'em awhile ago, and they're useless.... they won't get back to us and we can't really do much else." I think that a lot of people who received nothing would be somewhat appeased by that.

Instead, it feels like rather than backing and supporting its Community, Bungie is backing and supporting Microsoft by protecting some lazy guy in Microsoft marketing who dropped the ball (probably numerous times) during Iris. I would feel a lot better about this if Bungie was saying "guys, we tried to get in touch with them and got no answer" or "here's the email address of Microsoft marketing, if you want to give it a shot," rather than saying "not us, sorry."

I hope you understand, Achronos and Bungie folks reading this, that I, at least (without speaking for other community members), am just expressing how it kind of feels like we were used and discarded. As most of us (including myself) have already said previously in this thread, we love Bungie and love Halo and had a great time during Iris. Achronos, I really appreciate you jumping in this thread to try to provide us with at least some consolation. But the silence and seeming indifference from everyone except Achronos (who, by all rights, shouldn't even have to deal with these questions) remains a big blotch on an otherwise clean record of Community involvement and interaction by Bungie.

  • 10.24.2007 12:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
My parents often say I should have been a lawyer too and not have "wasted my time" on these videogames.

My phrasing was such because I cannot give details of such interactions between us and Microsoft, especially given our new status. Suffice it to say that things do not always go as planned, but ultimately we can only offer guidance and advice when we are in a creative role on something, not in a managing role. That is a long way of saying that helping to author the content of the ARG is not the same thing as running it. During the actual execution of the ARG, we were still making Halo 3. By the time the "smoke cleared" such as it was, there was nothing that we could to do to deal with whatever issues people had.

Again, I'm not denying it is somewhat lame to have a fun little game be sullied with logistical problems. All I can do is say that sometimes, even though we hear your issues loud and clear, we cannot always resolve the issue to your satisfaction. Further explanation is inappropriate for this venue, and yes, I know that is frustrating. All I can say is that we'll try to make sure something like it doesn't happen again. Sometimes, that's the best we can do.



And, at least for me, that's good enough. I realize now there is nothing Bungie can do, and anything from MS is more than likely not going to happen. But, this assurance of no future mistakes, on the scale of the ones made during the ARG, makes it a lot easier to stomach the fact that MS doesn't care.

  • 10.24.2007 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Further explanation is inappropriate for this venue, and yes, I know that is frustrating. All I can say is that we'll try to make sure something like it doesn't happen again. Sometimes, that's the best we can do.


Are you saying there is another appropriate venue? Where? If for some reason you are tentative about giving this information out, please PM me or another one of the interested parties (if you feel you can trust them more), and you shouldn't have to worry about the information being posted, or spread around. If we can manage to find the appropriate people to check with, we will make sure that they aren't contacted by several parties. One of us will serve as representative, and if an appropriate response is recieved, then we will pass it on. Whatever, I don't expect to get that from you anyway, but, hey, just in case right?

Also, It seems that you either feel that we still don't understand how the ARG was run, and who was responsible for what. We do understand these things. What we are asking for is either contact information for the appropriate parties (or venues), and or, a sincere response to our frustrations. I cannot help but view each and every one of your responses as mere deflection. You don't carry the tone of concern. Perhaps, this is simply because you are used to posting with such careful wording.

Am I to take you quoted comment as a sign that this thread has become useless, and we are wasting our time? If that is the case, then I hope that this is simply a matter of poor timing, and the packages are actually coming after all. Nothing else would properly explain the lack of interest or sincerity. Either that is the case, or my more accusatory comments within this thread are correct.

  • 10.24.2007 12:43 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Achronos
Again, I'm not denying it is somewhat lame to have a fun little game be sullied with logistical problems. All I can do is say that sometimes, even though we hear your issues loud and clear, we cannot always resolve the issue to your satisfaction. Further explanation is inappropriate for this venue, and yes, I know that is frustrating. All I can say is that we'll try to make sure something like it doesn't happen again. Sometimes, that's the best we can do.

Thanks. That, also, is more than good enough for me. Once again, I appreciate your explanation. I now have a much better understanding of the limitations of what you can tell us about your interactions with Microsoft. For those people still interested in finding out the deal with the packages, I will encourage discussion of what civil/polite and organized ways they can continue to go about looking for answers. Many thanks.

[Edited on 10.24.2007 12:55 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2007 12:55 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

No, I'm not. I'm saying that you're not going to get further details out of us because we simply don't have them and can't get them. Creative input does not imply managerial control.

I have given you quite a sincere response, twice now. I have also explained why specific details are also not forthcoming. I have also admitted that the situation is frustrating. I think you are being a tad dishonest when you say you just want a response from Bungie about it... because you already have that. That is understandable - a response that doesn't actually solve your problem isn't going to satisfy you. But it is the best I can do. And just because it doesn't satisfy your issue, doesn't mean the response isn't sincere.

Posted by: WFGeppetto
Are you saying there is another appropriate venue? Where? If for some reason you are tentative about giving this information out, please PM me or another one of the interested parties (if you feel you can trust them more), and you shouldn't have to worry about the information being posted, or spread around. If we can manage to find the appropriate people to check with, we will make sure that they aren't contacted by several parties. One of us will serve as representative, and if an appropriate response is recieved, then we will pass it on. Whatever, I don't expect to get that from you anyway, but, hey, just in case right?

Also, It seems that you either feel that we still don't understand how the ARG was run, and who was responsible for what. We do understand these things. What we are asking for is either contact information for the appropriate parties (or venues), and or, a sincere response to our frustrations. I cannot help but view each and every one of your responses as mere deflection. You don't carry the tone of concern. Perhaps, this is simply because you are used to posting with such careful wording.

Am I to take you quoted comment as a sign that this thread has become useless, and we are wasting our time? If that is the case, then I hope that this is simply a matter of poor timing, and the packages are actually coming after all. Nothing else would properly explain the lack of interest or sincerity. Either that is the case, or my more accusatory comments within this thread are correct.

  • 10.24.2007 1:08 PM PDT

but there's no sense crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

While I have not posted in this thread, I too was one of the people expecting a package from either servers 3 or 4. I admittedly did not contribute much, as I work and it was hard to keep up, but I give massive kudos to those who did work very hard *looks at foman, others* and wish they had been rewarded in a much more "hands-on" way. And of course, I certainly wouldn't have refused my package. But I appreciate the response from Achronos, and him giving as much information as he can. Thank you for whatever efforts you made to help the fans of the ARG get what they were looking for, and we look forward to your future games.

  • 10.24.2007 1:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
My parents often say I should have been a lawyer too and not have "wasted my time" on these videogames.

My phrasing was such because I cannot give details of such interactions between us and Microsoft, especially given our new status. Suffice it to say that things do not always go as planned, but ultimately we can only offer guidance and advice when we are in a creative role on something, not in a managing role. That is a long way of saying that helping to author the content of the ARG is not the same thing as running it. During the actual execution of the ARG, we were still making Halo 3. By the time the "smoke cleared" such as it was, there was nothing that we could to do to deal with whatever issues people had.

Again, I'm not denying it is somewhat lame to have a fun little game be sullied with logistical problems. All I can do is say that sometimes, even though we hear your issues loud and clear, we cannot always resolve the issue to your satisfaction. Further explanation is inappropriate for this venue, and yes, I know that is frustrating. All I can say is that we'll try to make sure something like it doesn't happen again. Sometimes, that's the best we can do.


Thank you very much for taking the time to get an answer to us. I think this response has made it more than clear that Bungie did attempt something, even if those details can't be delved into beyond your explanation. It really does mean a lot, and knowing that Bungie will try to make sure there isn't a repeat in the future is honestly even more satisfying of an answer to me, seeing as how I'm sure you guys at Bungie may consider an ARG again in the future for whatever game(s) you make. Really, thanks again Achronos. And thanks again to Recon, too!

  • 10.24.2007 1:17 PM PDT

Estne volumen in toga an solum tibi libet me videre?

Nothing suits me like a suit.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

NEW!!

I came home today to find a packadge from microsoft. I open it, to find an iris poster and a Halo 3 keychain. the poster has the Iris glyph and the following:

This is how it all beings

The enemy is almost upon us

Waves of an army march this way in unison
Suffering and corruption are its battle cries
Fr I have known this darkness and felt its embrace once before
Horror best laid to rest

Yet a journey must commence

Look for the signs, the keper of the flame
They will lead you to war, and perhaps, to victory


Pictures:

Server 3 -package

Poster Text


[Edited on 10.24.2007 3:23 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2007 1:42 PM PDT
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While I haven't been involved (much) with this ARG, I'd like to say that prizes coming from contests and/or promotions involving Microsoft all have one thing in common. They take a long time to ship out the prizes. I've only been talking to people who has been involved with Bungie sponsored and hosted contests, but this still apply. Those of you who remember stoshs avatar contest way back probably also remember that most of the winners either didn't get the prizes as promised or got it after a year or two (I think). I won a prize in the 7th on the 7th contest hosted by HBO and sponsored by Bungie, and can remember getting at least two apology emails from Lu Wu because the prizes didn't show up or we hadn't heard anything. Didn't bother me much, I wasn't in the contest for the prize (I mowed a marathon emblem into my lawn, and has continued to do so every time I mow now) but when it did show up eventually I was also very excited. How many months after the contest it showed up I can't remember, but it was a few.

So for the people here expecting something, be patient. Of course, they may have forgotten it entirely in whatever section or 3rd party company that was supposed to send it, but those who wait for something good doesn't wait in... err, something. I never mange to remember these word plays. Just be patient, and it will most likely show up. It usually do!

  • 10.24.2007 1:42 PM PDT

but there's no sense crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

Posted by: TheKilla88
NEW!!

I came home today to find a packadge from microsoft. I open it, to find an iris poster and a Halo 3 keychain. the poster has the Iris glyph and the following:

This is how it all beings

The enemy is almost upon us

Waves of an army march this way in unison
Suffering and corruption are its battle cries
Fr I have known this darkness and felt its embrace once before
Horror best laid to rest

Yet a journey must commence

Look for the signs, the keper of the flame
They will lead you to war, and perhaps, to victory


Pics or it no happen. And to Simen; the way I'm interpreting what Achronos said (disclaimer) it seems like it's not going to happen. If it does, then hoo-ra! But I won't be holding my breath.

  • 10.24.2007 1:53 PM PDT

Estne volumen in toga an solum tibi libet me videre?

Nothing suits me like a suit.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Posted by: bigdawg6539
Pics or it no happen. .


Server 3 -package

Poster Text

[Edited on 10.24.2007 3:22 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2007 2:02 PM PDT

but there's no sense crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

Sweet! That is awesome. Did it come via regular mail or did you have to sign for it?

  • 10.24.2007 2:21 PM PDT
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Yes....

  • 10.24.2007 3:15 PM PDT

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:) Sorry, where it matters.

Achronos, I should have read further into your posts. I would go on to defend myself (now that I look a bit silly) but that would serve no purpose other than to make myself feel better.

I'm not apologizing to M$ though.

  • 10.24.2007 4:00 PM PDT

seek knowledge always

well....it wouldnt be the first time i was wrong, but probably the first time that i was happy about it....though im not getting anything in the mail, its still good to know that Bungie cares about its loyal fanbase, and ill probably be playing halo 3 and possibly halo 2 for old times sake until the unnamed project gets a name and hopefully gets produced and shipped and ready for purchase....looking forward to Q4 2008 (according to wikipedia anyway, lets pray it doesnt get scrapped like so many other good games that have been aborted)

  • 10.24.2007 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
S3NATOR has brilliantly taken the next philosophical and theoretical step, and advanced mankind once more. For that, I'm forever grateful.

*lollernadoes*

I wonder what the reason was for taking so long to send out the rest of the packages. I wonder if this thread had anything to do with the packages being sent out now. Hmmm... Perhaps our voices where heard? Or maybe there was just a big mix up and it just took this long to get it resolved.

S3N

  • 10.24.2007 8:34 PM PDT

Estne volumen in toga an solum tibi libet me videre?

Nothing suits me like a suit.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Not as funny the second time, is it?


You tried, Recon.

[Edited on 10.24.2007 9:02 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: S3NATOR
I wonder what the reason was for taking so long to send out the rest of the packages. I wonder if this thread had anything to do with the packages being sent out now. Hmmm... Perhaps our voices where heard? Or maybe there was just a big mix up and it just took this long to get it resolved.

S3N

Okay, maybe that is the "real ARG".

Not as funny the second time, is it?


So did we win the internetz?

  • 10.25.2007 5:01 AM PDT

Geppetto,

I just wanted to respond to your edit of the thread title, and the italicised introduction you introduced to your first post. Don't be so hard on yourself (and, by extention, us), it had been months and the same response was given as was given all those months nothing happened: language which amounted to "it's not our problem." If there was a wink-wink there you (or, frankly, anyone) didn't pick up on, well, what else was there to think?

[Edited on 10.25.2007 8:51 AM PDT]

  • 10.25.2007 8:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: resplendentvole
Geppetto,

I just wanted to respond to your edit of the thread title, and the italicised introduction you introduced to your first post. Don't be so hard on yourself (and, by extention, us), it had been months and the same response was given as was given all those months nothing happened: language which amounted to "it's not our problem." If there was a wink-wink there you (or, frankly, anyone) didn't pick up on, well, what else was there to think?
I agree. I have no qualms about raising the issue so that it came to Bungie's attention, whether or not they were actually able to do anything about it. I don't think you need to be so hard on yourself and the others who raised this issue, considering that we had heard not-a-peep from anybody for so long. Until things were explained a bit further, we had no way of knowing the reasons behind the silence (and in large part, we still don't, although at least now we know the reasons for the reasons, so to speak).

I'm sure that we'll never know if the packages were sent out in response to this thread or if it's just a coincidence, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with making your voice heard. We kept things civil and rational and received well-thought-out replies. In essence, we engaged in a civilized dialogue that resulted in both sides realizing some things that they didn't really know before.

This thread is the very essence of what a discussion forum is meant to be, and there's no shame in that. Kudos to you for raising the issue.

[Edited on 10.25.2007 9:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.25.2007 9:28 AM PDT